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Hey, it makes as much sense as everything else that had anything to do with that [[TheAllegedCar/RealLife Alleged Fighting Vehicle.]]

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Hey, it makes as much sense as everything else that had anything to do with that [[TheAllegedCar/RealLife Alleged Fighting Vehicle.]]
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The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle Bradley Fighting Vehicle,]] as designed, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA was a deathtrap.]] If it were to be sent into combat without significant modifications, it could kill hundreds of its own passengers. So what do you do when the top brass orders you to make it pass the tests, so that it can be deployed in the field on schedule and make them look good? Do you make a somber, tragic movie showing the depths to which humanity can sink? Do you do a scathing news exposé of the affair and demand accountability?

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The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle Bradley Fighting Vehicle,]] Vehicle]], as designed, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA was a deathtrap.]] deathtrap]]. If it were to be sent into combat without significant modifications, it could kill hundreds of its own passengers. So what do you do when the top brass orders you to make it pass the tests, so that it can be deployed in the field on schedule and make them look good? Do you make a somber, tragic movie showing the depths to which humanity can sink? Do you do a scathing news exposé of the affair and demand accountability?
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* LogicalFallacies: Partridge employs a number of techniques to misdirect people when he is forced to answer uncomfortable questions.
** ArgumentumAdLapidem: Partridge constantly disparages Burton's testing methods without clearly explaining why they're flawed.
** CircularReasoning: "If the fuel tanks were filled with fuel, there's a good chance the vehicle would have exploded."[[note]]This is exactly the point, and one of the congressmen points this out.[[/note]]
** InsaneTrollLogic: Starting with his opening monologue and continuing throughout the movie, Partridge frequently employs non-sequiturs to deflect attention from the issues being raised.
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** AppealToConsequences: "We must not, will not, allow [enemies of the United States] to prevail for if we do, you can be certain that you and I and everyone else will never again enjoy the luxury of meeting in this building to debate anything!"
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* {{Irony}}: Burton notes that Omar Bradley was AFatherToHisMen and would have been horrified that a vehicle bearing his name was such a death trap.
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* RankUp: Smith finally gets his General's star to keep his mouth shut. If you take notice of the three Generals who have been demanding changes to the Bradley, they've gained extra stars over the years Smith has been dealing with them.

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* BumblingHenchmanDuo: Colonel Bach and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bach, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace.



* SpearCarrier: All of the testing crew besides Dalton and Granger.

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* SpearCarrier: All of the testing crew besides Dalton and Granger.Granger are glorified extras.



* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bach and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bach, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace.
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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bach and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bach, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace. Technically, their also ThoseTwoBadGuys.

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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bach and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bach, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace. Technically, their also ThoseTwoBadGuys.
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* DisapprovingLook: a great one by Secretary Weinberger, his squint saying "do you think I'm ''that'' stupid?", when General Partridge tells him he didn't know Burton had been fired.

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* DisapprovingLook: a great one by Secretary Weinberger, his squint saying "do you think I'm ''that'' stupid?", when General Partridge tells him he didn't know Burton had been fired. As the dialogue goes on, it changes into a DeathGlare.
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* DisapprovingLook: a great one by Secretary Weinberger, his squint saying "do you think I'm ''that'' stupid?", when General Partridge tells him he didn't know Burton had been fired.
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* TooManyCooksSpoilTheSoup: Part of the reason why the Bradley was in development so long. Colonel Smith comes up with an effective troop carrier, only for the committee he answers to constantly revise the design for their own personal use, from scout to anti-tank roles.

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* TooManyCooksSpoilTheSoup: Part of the reason why the Bradley was in development so long. Colonel Smith comes up with an effective troop carrier, only for the committee he answers to constantly revise the design for their own personal use, from vested interests (one insists on developing it as a scout to vehicle, another is constantly pushing for anti-tank roles.weaponry, and the third just seems to throw out whatever comes to mind), resulting in a Frankenstein's monster of a vehicle that does lots of different things poorly and not one thing well.

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* OhCrap: Burton realizes the full extent of just how much Partridge is willing to work him out of the loop when he's told the Bradley is already in production despite not being tested.

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Burton realizes the full extent of just how much Partridge is willing to work him out of the loop when he's told the Bradley is already in production despite not being tested.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: Partridge accuses the Congressional committee of forgetting what the point of military procurement and development is and of not worrying about the soldiers in the field. Meanwhile, he's covering up the development of a vehicle he knows to be a deathtrap.

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Partridge accuses the Congressional committee of forgetting what the point of military procurement and development is and of not worrying about the soldiers in the field. Meanwhile, he's covering up the development of a vehicle he knows to be a deathtrap.


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** The generals leading the design process frequently request pie-in-the-sky additions and changes to the Bradley's design that require drastic and efficiency-reducing changes in order to be implemented, only to then criticise the changes once they see them... only to then demand ''more'' drastic and efficiency-reducing changes. At one point, one general scoffs at a previous instruction to include portholes in the side to enable troops within to fire at the enemy, sneering that they're not designing something for the navy here... only to then get a gleam in his eye and eagerly ask if it can be made amphibious mere seconds later.
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* VillainOfAnotherStory: The officers behind the testing of the various other behind schedule weapons all clearly have a lot of waste and problems going on that they steadfastly lie about to the Secretary of Defense, although whether any of that stops to Bradley levels of negligence is unclear.

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* VillainOfAnotherStory: The officers behind the testing of the various other behind schedule weapons all clearly have a lot of waste and problems going on that they steadfastly lie about to the Secretary of Defense, although whether any of that stops stoops to Bradley levels of negligence is unclear.



* YourMom: At one point as Partridge's VoiceOver covers an argument between Burton, Bock and Sayers he does not that it's regrettable how certain things were said about Colonel Burton's mother.

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* YourMom: At one point as Partridge's VoiceOver covers an argument between Burton, Bock and Sayers he does not note that it's regrettable how certain things were said about Colonel Burton's mother.
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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bock and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bock, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace. Technically, their also ThoseTwoBadGuys.

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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bock Bach and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bock, Bach, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace. Technically, their also ThoseTwoBadGuys.

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** Partridge and his cronies attempt to turn Burton into this by almost-literally burying his office in 17 years' worth of paperwork and memos, attempting to render him simply too busy to oversee the joint tests.

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** Partridge and his cronies attempt to turn Burton into this by almost-literally burying his office in 17 years' worth of paperwork and memos, attempting to render him simply too busy to oversee the joint tests. Instead, he becomes a BadassBureaucrat.



** Even the congressional hearing members questioning Partridge get a little of this after being lied to and having the hearing drawn out for so long when it's obvious that he's lying.



* CoolOldLady: Madame chairwoman of the Congressional hearing, who is very willing to tell off Partridge and determined to get to the bottom of the matter.



* MysteriousInformant: Burton receives tip-offs about the Bradley from an unknown informant, who he later figures out is General Smith. Smith does want the Bradley's flaws exposed, but he draws the line at risking his own career by publicly supporting Burton's allegations.



* NoNameGiven: The congressional committee grilling Partidge remain unnamed



* SpearCarrier: All of the testing crew besides Dalton and Granger.



* TakeAThirdOption: Col. Burton can either skip the vaporifics test or wait at least sixteen months for ruminants (sheep) to be approved by an office deliberately dragging its feet. Instead, he just goes out and buys sheep from a local farmer himself.

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Col. Burton can either skip the vaporifics test or wait at least sixteen months for ruminants (sheep) to be approved by an office deliberately dragging its feet. Instead, he just goes out and buys sheep from a local farmer himself.himself.
** When presented with the option of either letting the Bradley go to test, or risking his career by going on the record supporting Burton's claims, General Smith chooses to step back and just the leak the fact that the matter is being debated to the media, to draw scrutiny towards the Bradley without having to denounce it himself.



* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bock and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bock, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace.

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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bock and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bock, would also be part of a similar duo in Film/OfficeSpace. Technically, their also ThoseTwoBadGuys.


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* VillainOfAnotherStory: The officers behind the testing of the various other behind schedule weapons all clearly have a lot of waste and problems going on that they steadfastly lie about to the Secretary of Defense, although whether any of that stops to Bradley levels of negligence is unclear.


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* YourMom: At one point as Partridge's VoiceOver covers an argument between Burton, Bock and Sayers he does not that it's regrettable how certain things were said about Colonel Burton's mother.
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No, you make a made-for-TV BlackComedy starring Creator/KelseyGrammer as a Maj. General Partridge who wants the Bradley in production no matter how much of a liability it is to its own crew,[[Film/ThePrincessBride Cary Elwes]] as Lt. Colonel Burton, who will do everything he can to prevent that from happening and Creator/ViolaDavis as an admin sergeant assigned to help him.

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No, you make a made-for-TV BlackComedy starring Creator/KelseyGrammer as a Maj. General Partridge who wants the Bradley in production no matter how much of a liability it is to its own crew,[[Film/ThePrincessBride crew, [[Film/ThePrincessBride Cary Elwes]] as Lt. Colonel Burton, who will do everything he can to prevent that from happening and Creator/ViolaDavis as an admin sergeant assigned to help him.
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** Partridge has several during the HASC hearings. First when he says that a full fuel tank would have exploded during a test (which was exactly the point of the test). Another when the Chair of the Committee asks how much has been spent on R&D and Partridge seems to see that number ($14 billion, with a "B") for the first time and realize how screwed he is.
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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bock and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. McGinley, the actor who played Bock, would also be part of a similar duo in OfficeSpace.

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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bock and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility. John C. McGinley, [=McGinley=], the actor who played Bock, would also be part of a similar duo in OfficeSpace.Film/OfficeSpace.
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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bach and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility.

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* ThoseTwoGuys: Colonel Bach Bock and Major Sayers, Partridge's devotees at the testing facility.facility. John C. McGinley, the actor who played Bock, would also be part of a similar duo in OfficeSpace.
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The movie glosses over some of the central points of the book, particularly with regards to the broader context of the Pentagon at the time with the "Reformer Movement."

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The movie glosses over some of the central points of the book, particularly with regards to the broader context of the Pentagon at the time with the "Reformer Movement." Also, Israel never acquired the M2 Bradley, instead continuing to operate the M113 (the Bradley's predecessor) well into the 21st Century.
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* BotheringByTheBook: "We can't touch him, sir, it's by the book."

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* BotheringByTheBook: "We can't touch him, sir, it's by the book." Both sides engage in this, escalating into MyRuleFuIsStrongerThanYours. They also both dip into shady, even outright-illegal, shenanigans to try and advance their agendas.
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* TankGoodness: Averted to high heaven with the Bradley.

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* TankGoodness: Averted to high heaven with the Bradley. Starting with the fact that ''it was never supposed to be a tank in the first place!''
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* VastBureaucracy: The Pentagon. Played for all the dark laughs it can obtain (trying to stall Burton's test with live animals by making a division to research the "perfect" live animal to use--a process that will take a year, at the fastest) and drama (everybody on the Bradley project that isn't a JerkAss WarHawk getting the decency grinded out of them on-screen because it's the only way that they will get ''anything'' done).
* YouDidntAsk: One reason why Burton was never told about the aluminum gas study. Also when the Bradley explodes during the demonstration at the end--the soldiers didn't rigged it to blow up, nor did they rigged it to prevent the thing ''from'' blowing up like they had been doing. They just didn't tell Burton because he didn't allow them to explain when he was making his speech.

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* VastBureaucracy: The Pentagon. Played for all the dark laughs it can obtain (trying to stall Burton's test with live animals by making a division to research the "perfect" live animal to use--a process that will take a year, at the fastest) and drama (everybody on the Bradley project that isn't a JerkAss WarHawk getting the decency grinded ground out of them on-screen because it's the only way that they will get ''anything'' done).
* YouDidntAsk: One reason why Burton was never told about the aluminum gas study. Also when the Bradley explodes during the demonstration at the end--the soldiers didn't rigged rig it to blow up, nor did they rigged rig it to prevent the thing ''from'' blowing up like they had been doing. They just didn't tell Burton because he didn't allow them to explain when he was making his speech.
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** The movie glosses over the development of what was actually several IFV prototypes such as the XM800T, implying there was one direct line of evolution rather than a gradual evolution of expected capabilities caused by the failure or cancellation of other projects.

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** The movie glosses over the development of what was actually several IFV prototypes such as the XM800T, [=XM800T=], implying there was one direct line of evolution rather than a gradual evolution of expected capabilities caused by the failure or cancellation of other projects.
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* MasterOfNone: The end result of designing Bradley for every role imaginable is that it's not good at doing any of them. It's too big to be a reconnaissance vehicle, too lightly armored to fight against tanks and it can only carry six fully equipped soldiers instead of the originally planned eleven. It's only standout features are its good mobility and high firepower, neither of which is particularly useful because of the aforementioned weaknesses.

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* MasterOfNone: The end result of designing Bradley for every role imaginable is that it's not good at doing any of them. It's too big to be a reconnaissance vehicle, too lightly armored to fight against tanks tanks, and it can only carry six fully equipped soldiers instead of the originally planned eleven. It's Its only standout features are its good mobility and high firepower, neither of which is particularly useful because of the aforementioned weaknesses.
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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: No, Normal, Illinois is not 'just outside of Chicago'.
* ArtisticLicenseGunSafety: Averted. Despite being an Air Force lieutenant colonel, Cary Elwes remembers to keep his finger off the trigger of the M-16 he holds during his speech, even though the rifle is unloaded. The corporal who hands it to him also visibly checks the chamber for a round before handing it over to him.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The movie glosses over some of the central points of the book, particularly with regards to the broader context of the Pentagon at the time with the "Reformer Movement."
** The movie glosses over the development of what was actually several IFV prototypes such as the XM800T, implying there was one direct line of evolution rather than a gradual evolution of expected capabilities caused by the failure or cancellation of other projects.
** It also glosses over a lot of the conflict regarding the testing procedure, one-sidedly portraying it as an effort to cover up flaws rather than a sincere disagreement on the style of testing used. For instance, testing individual components such as armor plates under laboratory conditions was considered more yielding of scientifically-useful data, even if it was less visible in-context what that data really meant.
* ArtisticLicenseMilitary: The real Colonel Burton was a full colonel, not a lieutenant colonel. The director felt Cary Elwes was too young to be a convincing colonel, but it leads to an unusual case where a lieutenant colonel is telling off four-star generals.
* AuthorTract: The movie goes to ''length'' to portray the Pentagon's acquisitions process as corrupt, ineffective, and flawed. The original book was a nonfiction tell-all whistleblower piece about this exact subject.


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* RefugeInAudacity: Burton ''steals the armored door off an ammo dump'' in order to test the Romanian anti-tank rocket. The ''only'' reason he gets away with destruction of government property is nobody in a position to court-martial him over it wants to call attention to the substandard munitions they had been using in testing. Basically, he dared them to do something about it knowing it would blow the lid off their cover-up as well.
* RewatchBonus: In the scene where Col. Burton gives a speech to the enlisted men maintaining the Bradley towards the end, he's attempting to persuade them to ignore their orders and prepare the Bradley to combat specification (including ammunition, fuel in the tanks, lacking fire retardant sealant, et cetera), ignorant of the fact they already did so. On rewatch, it's clear a few people try to interrupt him and the rest know what he's getting at long before he makes his point, but they just decide to roll with it when he keeps talking.
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* HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee: Partridge.

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* HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee: Partridge. The film's FramingDevice is him having to explain HowWeGotHere during his hearing.
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* MasterOfNone: The end result of designing Bradley for every role imaginable is that it's not good at doing any of them. It's too big to be a reconnaissance vehicle, too lightly armored to fight against tanks and it can only carry six fully equipped soldiers instead of the originally planned eleven. It's only standout features are its good mobility and high firepower, neither of which is particularly useful because of the aforementioned weaknesses.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: When first getting to know one another, Sergeant Fanning asks Colonel Burton where he's from, upon which he says he's from a small town outside of Chicago. Fanning asks him what town, in specific, and Burton answers "Normal", at which point Fanning asks incredulously about "Normal, IL". However, the town of Normal is a real place, and the home of Illinois State University, though it is located near the middle of the state and not all that close to Chicago as one might think.

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