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* {{Understatement}}: Marcus Aurelius admits that "Commodus is not a moral man..."man" when he explains why he refuses to make him his successor. He doesn't understand that he would go so far as to murder him when he breaks the news to Commodus, order Maximus along with his son and wife to be killed and let the latter be violently raped beforehand, or that [[spoiler: he would make his sister, Lucilla, his SexSlave.]]
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NONE of these are realistic subversions. Just a whole lot of "Plot Happens" shoehorned as "Realistic Outcome". CUT by the cleanup thread
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: The Hulking German chieftain at the beginning is not killed in the battle in a one on one duel by Maximus, they don't even fight or share a scene with one another. Instead he is killed by being stabbed multiple times by nameless Roman soldiers.
** Commodus has some experience and training with a sword, as a brief scene near the beginning shows, but by his own admission, he has never been in a battle nor ever really used those skills in a life or death situation. [[spoiler: When he decides to fight Maximus one-on-one in the Colosseum, Maximus, who is not only a war veteran with years if not decades of combat experience, but has also constantly honed his dueling skills from his various gladiator battles before hand, COMPLETELY outmatches Commodus and swiftly proceeds to beat him down and kill him. And this is AFTER Commodus had already fatally wounded Maximus in the side beforehand to further stack the deck. Even when both combatants lose their swords and Commodus tries to attack Maximus with concealed dagger, Maximus easily dodges the attacks and simply lays into Commodus with GoodOldFistiCuffs, which the pampered Commodus clearly has NO training to defend against.]]
** Reality does not so much ensue as come crashing down during the battle where Maximus and his fellow gladiators, representing a barbarian horde, are supposed to be wiped out by archers on chariots. The plan was clearly for the archers riding in the chariots to pick off the gladiators one by one. Maximus shredded that plan from the start by refusing to play by their rules.
*** First, Maximus let the men know that if they fought together, they stood a better chance of surviving. By not letting the chariots scatter them, it allowed them to fight and defend as a unit. As soon as the doors open and he sees what they're up against, he devises a plan to win.
*** Maximus stays icy calm throughout, knowing that if he projected confidence it would rally his men.
*** The Charioteers had no one in charge to give orders and adapt to the changing situation. Even when it became clear their plan wasn't working, they clung to it instead of changing tactics.
*** The chariots had no room to maneuver and the cramped space made it impossible to change direction quickly. It's significant that when a chariot overturns, Maximus orders his men to cut the horses loose instead of trying to right the chariot and use it themselves. Once he mounts his horse, he uses its' superior agility to easily slice up the Charioteers.
*** The Charioteers couldn't dismount and try to fight as infantry, as they didn't have shields or swords. Even though it wasn't working, they had no choice but to stay with their chariots.
** Maximus is set up to fight Tigris of Gaul, the only champion gladiator who went undefeated for his entire career. However, Tigris was pulled out of retirement for the fight, and there's absolutely no indication of whether he kept his skills sharp in the meanwhile. Maximus, on the other hand, is a highly skilled professional soldier still in his prime. Despite having unfair advantages and being willing to fight dirty, Tigris loses the fight very quickly.
** Commodus has some experience and training with a sword, as a brief scene near the beginning shows, but by his own admission, he has never been in a battle nor ever really used those skills in a life or death situation. [[spoiler: When he decides to fight Maximus one-on-one in the Colosseum, Maximus, who is not only a war veteran with years if not decades of combat experience, but has also constantly honed his dueling skills from his various gladiator battles before hand, COMPLETELY outmatches Commodus and swiftly proceeds to beat him down and kill him. And this is AFTER Commodus had already fatally wounded Maximus in the side beforehand to further stack the deck. Even when both combatants lose their swords and Commodus tries to attack Maximus with concealed dagger, Maximus easily dodges the attacks and simply lays into Commodus with GoodOldFistiCuffs, which the pampered Commodus clearly has NO training to defend against.]]
** Reality does not so much ensue as come crashing down during the battle where Maximus and his fellow gladiators, representing a barbarian horde, are supposed to be wiped out by archers on chariots. The plan was clearly for the archers riding in the chariots to pick off the gladiators one by one. Maximus shredded that plan from the start by refusing to play by their rules.
*** First, Maximus let the men know that if they fought together, they stood a better chance of surviving. By not letting the chariots scatter them, it allowed them to fight and defend as a unit. As soon as the doors open and he sees what they're up against, he devises a plan to win.
*** Maximus stays icy calm throughout, knowing that if he projected confidence it would rally his men.
*** The Charioteers had no one in charge to give orders and adapt to the changing situation. Even when it became clear their plan wasn't working, they clung to it instead of changing tactics.
*** The chariots had no room to maneuver and the cramped space made it impossible to change direction quickly. It's significant that when a chariot overturns, Maximus orders his men to cut the horses loose instead of trying to right the chariot and use it themselves. Once he mounts his horse, he uses its' superior agility to easily slice up the Charioteers.
*** The Charioteers couldn't dismount and try to fight as infantry, as they didn't have shields or swords. Even though it wasn't working, they had no choice but to stay with their chariots.
** Maximus is set up to fight Tigris of Gaul, the only champion gladiator who went undefeated for his entire career. However, Tigris was pulled out of retirement for the fight, and there's absolutely no indication of whether he kept his skills sharp in the meanwhile. Maximus, on the other hand, is a highly skilled professional soldier still in his prime. Despite having unfair advantages and being willing to fight dirty, Tigris loses the fight very quickly.
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* UseTheirOwnWeaponAgainstThem: Commodus tries to beat Maximus in one-on-one combat in the Colosseum by cheating, first by stabbing Maximus in the side prior to the fight, and then later by pulling out a concealed dagger after both of them lose their swords. Even wounded, Maximus still thrashes Commodus and stabs him in the throat with the very dagger Commodus tried to use on him.
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* NotSoDifferent: As Marcus Aurelius' son, Commodus believes this to be the case in regard to Maximus, who was like a son to Marcus Aurelius, and says this one verbatim to Maximus when they meet in the cells under the arena.
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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: As Marcus Aurelius' son, Commodus believes this to be the case in regard to Maximus, who was like a son to Marcus Aurelius, and says this one verbatim to Maximus when they meet in the cells under the arena.
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* NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction: In one match, Maximus kills every one of his opponents extremely quickly, making his audience turn silent, [[YouBastard which in turn makes him chastise them]]. He gets criticized by Proximo for this as well, who urges him to try to WinTheCrowd when he fights.
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* NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction: In one match, Maximus kills every one of his opponents extremely quickly, making his audience turn silent, [[YouBastard which in turn makes him chastise them]]. He gets criticized by Proximo for this as well, who urges him to try to WinTheCrowd "win the crowd" when he fights.
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* RatedMForManly: It's a film about a Roman general with a cool name who fights as a gladiator with one goal - WinTheCrowd, win a meeting with the evil Emperor who had his wife and son killed, and kill the bastard.
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* RatedMForManly: It's a film about a Roman general with a cool name who fights as a gladiator with one goal - WinTheCrowd, win the crowd, win a meeting with the evil Emperor who had his wife and son killed, and kill the bastard.
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* WinTheCrowd: The TropeNamer, InUniverse. Proximo says this to Maximus about what it takes to be the greatest gladiator.
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* TooDumbToLive: Before their first fight in the Colosseum, Maximus tells his gladiators to stick close in order to survive. Several of them immediately separate from the group once the charioteers ride in and are all killed except for Hagen.
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''Gladiator'' is a 2000 epic historical drama film directed by Creator/RidleyScott. It follows the same period of history and takes similar liberties with its plot as the 1964 film ''Film/TheFallOfTheRomanEmpire'', while also taking several cues from Stanley Kubrick's ''Film/{{Spartacus}}''. It is credited with reviving the {{epic|movie}} SwordAndSandal genre, which had disappeared from the big screen since the aforementioned ''Fall of the Roman Empire''.
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''Gladiator'' is a 2000 epic historical drama film directed by Creator/RidleyScott. It follows the same period of history and takes similar liberties with its plot as the 1964 film ''Film/TheFallOfTheRomanEmpire'', while also taking several cues from Stanley Kubrick's ''Film/{{Spartacus}}''. It is credited with reviving [[GenreRelaunch reviving]] the {{epic|movie}} SwordAndSandal genre, which had disappeared from the big screen since the aforementioned ''Fall of the Roman Empire''.
Empire'' back in TheSixties.
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* PillowPistol: General Maximus sleeps with a daggar. When Quintus comes to wake him Maximus snaps it out instantly, ready to slice his throat, sheepishly smiling when he recognizes his friend.
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* ProperlyParanoid: Maximus sleeps lightly with a dagger at the ready should someone try to assassinate him. Unfortunately he isn't quite paranoid enough when it comes to trusting Quintus.
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* ProperlyParanoid: Maximus [[PillowPistol sleeps lightly with a dagger at the ready ready]] should someone try to assassinate him. Unfortunately he isn't quite paranoid enough when it comes to trusting Quintus.
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* RealityEnsues: The Hulking German chieftain at the beginning is not killed in the battle in a one on one duel by Maximus, they don't even fight or share a scene with one another. Instead he is killed by being stabbed multiple times by nameless Roman soldiers.
** Commodus has some experience and training with a sword, as a brief scene near the beginning shows, but by his own admission, he has never been in a battle nor ever really used those skills in a life or death situation. [[spoiler: When he decides to fight Maximus one-on-one in the Colosseum, Maximus, who is not only a war veteran with years if not decades of combat experience, but has also constantly honed his dueling skills from his various gladiator battles before hand, COMPLETELY outmatches Commodus and swiftly proceeds to beat him down and kill him. And this is AFTER Commodus had already fatally wounded Maximus in the side beforehand to further stack the deck. Even when both combatants lose their swords and Commodus tries to attack Maximus with concealed dagger, Maximus easily dodges the attacks and simply lays into Commodus with GoodOldFistiCuffs, which the pampered Commodus clearly has NO training to defend against.]]
** Reality does not so much ensue as come crashing down during the battle where Maximus and his fellow gladiators, representing a barbarian horde, are supposed to be wiped out by archers on chariots. The plan was clearly for the archers riding in the chariots to pick off the gladiators one by one. Maximus shredded that plan from the start by refusing to play by their rules.
*** First, Maximus let the men know that if they fought together, they stood a better chance of surviving. By not letting the chariots scatter them, it allowed them to fight and defend as a unit. As soon as the doors open and he sees what they're up against, he devises a plan to win.
*** Maximus stays icy calm throughout, knowing that if he projected confidence it would rally his men.
*** The Charioteers had no one in charge to give orders and adapt to the changing situation. Even when it became clear their plan wasn't working, they clung to it instead of changing tactics.
*** The chariots had no room to maneuver and the cramped space made it impossible to change direction quickly. It's significant that when a chariot overturns, Maximus orders his men to cut the horses loose instead of trying to right the chariot and use it themselves. Once he mounts his horse, he uses its' superior agility to easily slice up the Charioteers.
*** The Charioteers couldn't dismount and try to fight as infantry, as they didn't have shields or swords. Even though it wasn't working, they had no choice but to stay with their chariots.
** Maximus is set up to fight Tigris of Gaul, the only champion gladiator who went undefeated for his entire career. However, Tigris was pulled out of retirement for the fight, and there's absolutely no indication of whether he kept his skills sharp in the meanwhile. Maximus, on the other hand, is a highly skilled professional soldier still in his prime. Despite having unfair advantages and being willing to fight dirty, Tigris loses the fight very quickly.
** Commodus has some experience and training with a sword, as a brief scene near the beginning shows, but by his own admission, he has never been in a battle nor ever really used those skills in a life or death situation. [[spoiler: When he decides to fight Maximus one-on-one in the Colosseum, Maximus, who is not only a war veteran with years if not decades of combat experience, but has also constantly honed his dueling skills from his various gladiator battles before hand, COMPLETELY outmatches Commodus and swiftly proceeds to beat him down and kill him. And this is AFTER Commodus had already fatally wounded Maximus in the side beforehand to further stack the deck. Even when both combatants lose their swords and Commodus tries to attack Maximus with concealed dagger, Maximus easily dodges the attacks and simply lays into Commodus with GoodOldFistiCuffs, which the pampered Commodus clearly has NO training to defend against.]]
** Reality does not so much ensue as come crashing down during the battle where Maximus and his fellow gladiators, representing a barbarian horde, are supposed to be wiped out by archers on chariots. The plan was clearly for the archers riding in the chariots to pick off the gladiators one by one. Maximus shredded that plan from the start by refusing to play by their rules.
*** First, Maximus let the men know that if they fought together, they stood a better chance of surviving. By not letting the chariots scatter them, it allowed them to fight and defend as a unit. As soon as the doors open and he sees what they're up against, he devises a plan to win.
*** Maximus stays icy calm throughout, knowing that if he projected confidence it would rally his men.
*** The Charioteers had no one in charge to give orders and adapt to the changing situation. Even when it became clear their plan wasn't working, they clung to it instead of changing tactics.
*** The chariots had no room to maneuver and the cramped space made it impossible to change direction quickly. It's significant that when a chariot overturns, Maximus orders his men to cut the horses loose instead of trying to right the chariot and use it themselves. Once he mounts his horse, he uses its' superior agility to easily slice up the Charioteers.
*** The Charioteers couldn't dismount and try to fight as infantry, as they didn't have shields or swords. Even though it wasn't working, they had no choice but to stay with their chariots.
** Maximus is set up to fight Tigris of Gaul, the only champion gladiator who went undefeated for his entire career. However, Tigris was pulled out of retirement for the fight, and there's absolutely no indication of whether he kept his skills sharp in the meanwhile. Maximus, on the other hand, is a highly skilled professional soldier still in his prime. Despite having unfair advantages and being willing to fight dirty, Tigris loses the fight very quickly.
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** Commodus has some experience and training with a sword, as a brief scene near the beginning shows, but by his own admission, he has never been in a battle nor ever really used those skills in a life or death situation. [[spoiler: When he decides to fight Maximus one-on-one in the Colosseum, Maximus, who is not only a war veteran with years if not decades of combat experience, but has also constantly honed his dueling skills from his various gladiator battles before hand, COMPLETELY outmatches Commodus and swiftly proceeds to beat him down and kill him. And this is AFTER Commodus had already fatally wounded Maximus in the side beforehand to further stack the deck. Even when both combatants lose their swords and Commodus tries to attack Maximus with concealed dagger, Maximus easily dodges the attacks and simply lays into Commodus with GoodOldFistiCuffs, which the pampered Commodus clearly has NO training to defend against.]]
** Reality does not so much ensue as come crashing down during the battle where Maximus and his fellow gladiators, representing a barbarian horde, are supposed to be wiped out by archers on chariots. The plan was clearly for the archers riding in the chariots to pick off the gladiators one by one. Maximus shredded that plan from the start by refusing to play by their rules.
*** First, Maximus let the men know that if they fought together, they stood a better chance of surviving. By not letting the chariots scatter them, it allowed them to fight and defend as a unit. As soon as the doors open and he sees what they're up against, he devises a plan to win.
*** Maximus stays icy calm throughout, knowing that if he projected confidence it would rally his men.
*** The Charioteers had no one in charge to give orders and adapt to the changing situation. Even when it became clear their plan wasn't working, they clung to it instead of changing tactics.
*** The chariots had no room to maneuver and the cramped space made it impossible to change direction quickly. It's significant that when a chariot overturns, Maximus orders his men to cut the horses loose instead of trying to right the chariot and use it themselves. Once he mounts his horse, he uses its' superior agility to easily slice up the Charioteers.
*** The Charioteers couldn't dismount and try to fight as infantry, as they didn't have shields or swords. Even though it wasn't working, they had no choice but to stay with their chariots.
** Maximus is set up to fight Tigris of Gaul, the only champion gladiator who went undefeated for his entire career. However, Tigris was pulled out of retirement for the fight, and there's absolutely no indication of whether he kept his skills sharp in the meanwhile. Maximus, on the other hand, is a highly skilled professional soldier still in his prime. Despite having unfair advantages and being willing to fight dirty, Tigris loses the fight very quickly.
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: The Hulking German chieftain at the beginning is not killed in the battle in a one on one duel by Maximus, they don't even fight or share a scene with one another. Instead he is killed by being stabbed multiple times by nameless Roman soldiers.
** Commodus has some experience and training with a sword, as a brief scene near the beginning shows, but by his own admission, he has never been in a battle nor ever really used those skills in a life or death situation. [[spoiler: When he decides to fight Maximus one-on-one in the Colosseum, Maximus, who is not only a war veteran with years if not decades of combat experience, but has also constantly honed his dueling skills from his various gladiator battles before hand, COMPLETELY outmatches Commodus and swiftly proceeds to beat him down and kill him. And this is AFTER Commodus had already fatally wounded Maximus in the side beforehand to further stack the deck. Even when both combatants lose their swords and Commodus tries to attack Maximus with concealed dagger, Maximus easily dodges the attacks and simply lays into Commodus with GoodOldFistiCuffs, which the pampered Commodus clearly has NO training to defend against.]]
** Reality does not so much ensue as come crashing down during the battle where Maximus and his fellow gladiators, representing a barbarian horde, are supposed to be wiped out by archers on chariots. The plan was clearly for the archers riding in the chariots to pick off the gladiators one by one. Maximus shredded that plan from the start by refusing to play by their rules.
*** First, Maximus let the men know that if they fought together, they stood a better chance of surviving. By not letting the chariots scatter them, it allowed them to fight and defend as a unit. As soon as the doors open and he sees what they're up against, he devises a plan to win.
*** Maximus stays icy calm throughout, knowing that if he projected confidence it would rally his men.
*** The Charioteers had no one in charge to give orders and adapt to the changing situation. Even when it became clear their plan wasn't working, they clung to it instead of changing tactics.
*** The chariots had no room to maneuver and the cramped space made it impossible to change direction quickly. It's significant that when a chariot overturns, Maximus orders his men to cut the horses loose instead of trying to right the chariot and use it themselves. Once he mounts his horse, he uses its' superior agility to easily slice up the Charioteers.
*** The Charioteers couldn't dismount and try to fight as infantry, as they didn't have shields or swords. Even though it wasn't working, they had no choice but to stay with their chariots.
** Maximus is set up to fight Tigris of Gaul, the only champion gladiator who went undefeated for his entire career. However, Tigris was pulled out of retirement for the fight, and there's absolutely no indication of whether he kept his skills sharp in the meanwhile. Maximus, on the other hand, is a highly skilled professional soldier still in his prime. Despite having unfair advantages and being willing to fight dirty, Tigris loses the fight very quickly.
** Commodus has some experience and training with a sword, as a brief scene near the beginning shows, but by his own admission, he has never been in a battle nor ever really used those skills in a life or death situation. [[spoiler: When he decides to fight Maximus one-on-one in the Colosseum, Maximus, who is not only a war veteran with years if not decades of combat experience, but has also constantly honed his dueling skills from his various gladiator battles before hand, COMPLETELY outmatches Commodus and swiftly proceeds to beat him down and kill him. And this is AFTER Commodus had already fatally wounded Maximus in the side beforehand to further stack the deck. Even when both combatants lose their swords and Commodus tries to attack Maximus with concealed dagger, Maximus easily dodges the attacks and simply lays into Commodus with GoodOldFistiCuffs, which the pampered Commodus clearly has NO training to defend against.]]
** Reality does not so much ensue as come crashing down during the battle where Maximus and his fellow gladiators, representing a barbarian horde, are supposed to be wiped out by archers on chariots. The plan was clearly for the archers riding in the chariots to pick off the gladiators one by one. Maximus shredded that plan from the start by refusing to play by their rules.
*** First, Maximus let the men know that if they fought together, they stood a better chance of surviving. By not letting the chariots scatter them, it allowed them to fight and defend as a unit. As soon as the doors open and he sees what they're up against, he devises a plan to win.
*** Maximus stays icy calm throughout, knowing that if he projected confidence it would rally his men.
*** The Charioteers had no one in charge to give orders and adapt to the changing situation. Even when it became clear their plan wasn't working, they clung to it instead of changing tactics.
*** The chariots had no room to maneuver and the cramped space made it impossible to change direction quickly. It's significant that when a chariot overturns, Maximus orders his men to cut the horses loose instead of trying to right the chariot and use it themselves. Once he mounts his horse, he uses its' superior agility to easily slice up the Charioteers.
*** The Charioteers couldn't dismount and try to fight as infantry, as they didn't have shields or swords. Even though it wasn't working, they had no choice but to stay with their chariots.
** Maximus is set up to fight Tigris of Gaul, the only champion gladiator who went undefeated for his entire career. However, Tigris was pulled out of retirement for the fight, and there's absolutely no indication of whether he kept his skills sharp in the meanwhile. Maximus, on the other hand, is a highly skilled professional soldier still in his prime. Despite having unfair advantages and being willing to fight dirty, Tigris loses the fight very quickly.
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trope misuse. Those are artistic licences.
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* AlternateHistory: Implied to be the case. In this timeline, [[spoiler:Rome won the war against the Germanic tribes and eventually became a Republic again by the end of the story. There is also the divergent fate of Emperor Commodus, disgraced and killed in the Colosseum.]]
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In AD 180 at the time of UsefulNotes/{{the Roman Empire}}, General Maximus Decimus Meridius (Creator/RussellCrowe) is named heir to the ailing Emperor Marcus Aurelius (Creator/RichardHarris), who wishes that Rome be restored to a republic with the Senate ruling as the representative of the people. The Emperor's mad son, Commodus (Creator/JoaquinPhoenix), is not a happy camper: he murders his father, declares himself to be the new Emperor, and orders that Maximus be killed when the general refuses to pledge loyalty to him. Maximus escapes his fate, but unfortunately for him, his wife and young son do not. Maximus swears to avenge their deaths and join them soon after; wandering around the countryside, he is soon found and brought into slavery.
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In AD 180 at the time of UsefulNotes/{{the Roman Empire}}, General Maximus Decimus Meridius (Creator/RussellCrowe) is named heir to the ailing Emperor Marcus Aurelius (Creator/RichardHarris), who wishes that Rome be restored to a republic with the Senate ruling as the representative of the people. The Emperor's mad son, Commodus (Creator/JoaquinPhoenix), is not a happy camper: sees things differently: he murders his father, declares himself to be the new Emperor, and orders that Maximus be killed when the general refuses to pledge loyalty to him. Maximus escapes his fate, but unfortunately for him, his wife and young son do not. Maximus swears to avenge their deaths and join them soon after; wandering around the countryside, he is soon found and brought into slavery.
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''Gladiator'' is a 2000 epic historical drama film directed by Creator/RidleyScott. It follows the same period of history and takes similar liberties with its plot as the 1964 film ''Film/TheFallOfTheRomanEmpire'', while also taking several cues from Stanley Kubrick's ''Film/{{Spartacus}}''. It is credited with reviving the SwordAndSandal genre, which had disappeared from the big screen since the aforementioned ''Fall of the Roman Empire''.
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''Gladiator'' is a 2000 epic historical drama film directed by Creator/RidleyScott. It follows the same period of history and takes similar liberties with its plot as the 1964 film ''Film/TheFallOfTheRomanEmpire'', while also taking several cues from Stanley Kubrick's ''Film/{{Spartacus}}''. It is credited with reviving the {{epic|movie}} SwordAndSandal genre, which had disappeared from the big screen since the aforementioned ''Fall of the Roman Empire''.
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* RiggedSpectacleFight: Just before the climactic fight in the Colosseum between Commodus and Maximus, [[InTheBack Commodus stabs Maximus in the side]]. It's clear from the get-go that Maximus is dazed from shock and blood loss, even hallucinating the door to Elysium at one point, but he still pulls himself together enough to fend off Commodus' attacks and eventually kills Commodus with his own dagger.
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While Black People in the way typically thought of today would be unlikely at a Gladiator match, Darker Skinned African people weren’t exactly nonexistent in Real Life.
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** An in-universe example: The reenactment of the "Battle of Zama" in the Colosseum by the Romans features the "Carthaginians" using Roman-style shields, while the "Roman Legions" consist of war chariots, a number of which contain black-skinned, female warriors. Justifiable, considering ancient Romans probably weren't too worried about history accuracy either, and it's a gladiatorial show just meant to [[RuleofCool look cool.]]
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** An in-universe example: The reenactment of the "Battle of Zama" in the Colosseum by the Romans features the "Carthaginians" using Roman-style shields, while the "Roman Legions" consist of war chariots, a number of which contain black-skinned, female warriors. Justifiable, considering ancient Romans probably weren't too worried about history accuracy either, and it's a gladiatorial show just meant to [[RuleofCool look cool.]]
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''Gladiator'' is a 2000 epic historical drama film directed by Creator/RidleyScott. It follows the same period of history and takes similar liberties with its plot as the 1964 film ''Film/TheFallOfTheRomanEmpire'', while also taking several cues from Stanley Kubrick's ''Film/{{Spartacus}}''.
In AD 180 at the time of UsefulNotes/{{the Roman Empire}}, General Maximus Decimus Meridius (Creator/RussellCrowe) is named heir to the ailing Emperor Marcus Aurelius (Creator/RichardHarris), who wishes that Rome be restored to a republic with the Senate ruling as the representative of the people. The Emperor's son, Commodus (Creator/JoaquinPhoenix), is not a happy camper: he murders his father, declares himself to be the new Emperor, and orders that Maximus be killed when the general refuses to pledge loyalty to him. Maximus escapes his fate, but unfortunately for him, his wife and young son do not. Maximus swears to avenge their deaths and join them soon after; wandering around the countryside, he is soon found and brought into slavery.
In AD 180 at the time of UsefulNotes/{{the Roman Empire}}, General Maximus Decimus Meridius (Creator/RussellCrowe) is named heir to the ailing Emperor Marcus Aurelius (Creator/RichardHarris), who wishes that Rome be restored to a republic with the Senate ruling as the representative of the people. The Emperor's son, Commodus (Creator/JoaquinPhoenix), is not a happy camper: he murders his father, declares himself to be the new Emperor, and orders that Maximus be killed when the general refuses to pledge loyalty to him. Maximus escapes his fate, but unfortunately for him, his wife and young son do not. Maximus swears to avenge their deaths and join them soon after; wandering around the countryside, he is soon found and brought into slavery.
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''Gladiator'' is a 2000 epic historical drama film directed by Creator/RidleyScott. It follows the same period of history and takes similar liberties with its plot as the 1964 film ''Film/TheFallOfTheRomanEmpire'', while also taking several cues from Stanley Kubrick's ''Film/{{Spartacus}}''.
''Film/{{Spartacus}}''. It is credited with reviving the SwordAndSandal genre, which had disappeared from the big screen since the aforementioned ''Fall of the Roman Empire''.
In AD 180 at the time of UsefulNotes/{{the Roman Empire}}, General Maximus Decimus Meridius (Creator/RussellCrowe) is named heir to the ailing Emperor Marcus Aurelius (Creator/RichardHarris), who wishes that Rome be restored to a republic with the Senate ruling as the representative of the people. The Emperor's mad son, Commodus (Creator/JoaquinPhoenix), is not a happy camper: he murders his father, declares himself to be the new Emperor, and orders that Maximus be killed when the general refuses to pledge loyalty to him. Maximus escapes his fate, but unfortunately for him, his wife and young son do not. Maximus swears to avenge their deaths and join them soon after; wandering around the countryside, he is soon found and brought into slavery.
In AD 180 at the time of UsefulNotes/{{the Roman Empire}}, General Maximus Decimus Meridius (Creator/RussellCrowe) is named heir to the ailing Emperor Marcus Aurelius (Creator/RichardHarris), who wishes that Rome be restored to a republic with the Senate ruling as the representative of the people. The Emperor's mad son, Commodus (Creator/JoaquinPhoenix), is not a happy camper: he murders his father, declares himself to be the new Emperor, and orders that Maximus be killed when the general refuses to pledge loyalty to him. Maximus escapes his fate, but unfortunately for him, his wife and young son do not. Maximus swears to avenge their deaths and join them soon after; wandering around the countryside, he is soon found and brought into slavery.
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* BringerOfWarMusic: Heard most prominently in two tracks, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unb3FdsT5fQ#t=2m The Battle]]", where we first see Maximus leading his troops into battle giving the famous "What We Do In Life" speech, and "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5lQev52gk#t=2m52s Barbarian Horde]]", the gladiatorial fight where he rallies his gladiators and leads them to victory.
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** "You will see them again. But not yet. Not yet."
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** Juba's words to Maximus as he is recovering, and after he dies. "You will see them again. But not yet. Not yet."
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** "You will see them again. But not yet. Not yet."
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** Maximus makes use of this. It's subtle, but after his victory in the Colosseum, he's repeatedly turning around on his horse while holding a throwing spear for the crowd, gradually moving closer to Commodus' box. You don't realize what he was doing until he raises the spear in a very NOT posing way the moment before the emperor decides to meet him...and you see his frustrated reaction. He said he'd give them something they've never seen before.
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* HumiliationConga: [[spoiler:Commodus is disarmed and [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown battered]] by a man he's clearly just injured, his own general turns against him and then he's slowly, painfully killed by his own stiletto knife to the neck. By the [[http://s13.postimg.org/phfar83ev/Commodus_Death.jpg look on his face]], [[VillainousBreakdown he doesn't even care anymore]].]]
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* HumiliationConga: [[spoiler:Commodus is disarmed and [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown battered]] by a man he's clearly just injured, his own general turns against him and then he's slowly, painfully killed by his own stiletto knife to the neck. By the [[http://s13.postimg.org/phfar83ev/Commodus_Death.jpg look on his face]], [[VillainousBreakdown he doesn't even care anymore]]. The released prisoners carry Maximus away and leave his corpse in the sand.]]
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* DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment:
--> "It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed."
--> "It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed."
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* CainAndAbel: Commodus as the Abel, Maximus as the Cain. They're not related by blood, but Marcus Aurelius considered Maximus the son he should have had instead of the ambitious Commodus and nominates him as regent. Commodus also considers Maximus his non-blood brother, as both try to win Aurelius' and Lucilla's love. However, Commodus resorts to [[TheEvilPrince murdering his father]] and arranging to [[BrotherSisterIncest impregnate his sister]], before Maximus kills him in the arena. {{Discussed}} near the end:
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* CainAndAbel: Commodus as the Abel, Cain, Maximus as the Cain.Abel. They're not related by blood, but Marcus Aurelius considered Maximus the son he should have had instead of the ambitious Commodus and nominates him as regent. Commodus also considers Maximus his non-blood brother, as both try to win Aurelius' and Lucilla's love. However, Commodus resorts to [[TheEvilPrince murdering his father]] and arranging to [[BrotherSisterIncest impregnate his sister]], before Maximus kills him in the arena. {{Discussed}} near the end:
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Self Made Orphan is when someone kills both their parents. Here it's just one.
* {{Patricide}}: Marcus Aurelius takes Commodus aside to tell him that he intends to make Rome a republic again and entrusts Maximus to oversee the transition, meaning Commodus will never be Emperor. Commodus reacts by smothering his father to death and then trying to pass it off as the old man dying in his sleep.
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* SelfMadeOrphan: Marcus Aurelius takes Commodus aside to tell him that he intends to make Rome a republic again and entrusts Maximus to oversee the transition, meaning Commodus will never be Emperor. Commodus reacts by smothering his father to death and then trying to pass it off as the old man dying in his sleep.
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* RealityIsUnrealistic: The filmmakers kept out a number of acutal facts about gladiators, such as endorsing products (which they did), because they assumed the audience would consider it parody.
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* RealityIsUnrealistic: The filmmakers kept out a number of acutal actual facts about gladiators, such as endorsing products (which they did), because they assumed the audience would consider it parody.
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* MadeASlave: Maximus is enslaved and becomes a gladiator after he losses everything else.
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* MadeASlave: Maximus is enslaved and becomes a gladiator after he losses loses everything else.
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: At certain points in the movie and at the end, is Maximus [[spoiler: Really heading into Elysium to be with his family, or is it just a DyingDream?]]
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: At certain points in the movie and at the end, is Maximus [[spoiler: Really really heading into Elysium to be with his family, or is it just a DyingDream?]]
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* MurderByInaction: After Maximus disarms Commodus in the arena, Commodus immediately starts demanding one of the surrounding Praetorian Guard to give him a sword. If he hadn't recently and publicly dishonored his own royal guards, they might have.
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* MurderByInaction: After Maximus disarms Commodus in the arena, Commodus immediately starts demanding one of the surrounding Praetorian Guard to Guards give him a sword. If he hadn't recently and publicly dishonored his own royal guards, they might have.
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* TheGoodKing: Marcus Aurelius, who was a wise king who believed in limiting the power of the crown and trying to bring back the Roman Republic. Similarly, Marcus Aurelius was this in real life[[note]]Marcus Aurelius was the last of the Five Good Emperors[[/note]]
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* TheGoodKing: Marcus Aurelius, who was a wise king who believed in limiting the power of the crown and trying to bring back the Roman Republic. Similarly, Marcus Aurelius was this in real life[[note]]Marcus life.[[note]]Marcus Aurelius was the last of the Five Good Emperors[[/note]]Emperors.[[/note]]
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* GroupieBrigade: When Maximus and the other gladiators are lead into the Colosseum, they're mobbed by a group of scantily-clad women with obvious admiration and intentions towards them, one of them even grabs Maximus and whispers "I want you" in his ear until a guard pulls her off.
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* GroupieBrigade: When Maximus and the other gladiators are lead led into the Colosseum, they're mobbed by a group of scantily-clad women with obvious admiration and intentions towards them, one of them even grabs Maximus and whispers "I want you" in his ear until a guard pulls her off.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Quintus comments early on that "People should know when they're conquered". [[spoiler:When Commodus kills Marcus Aurelius, Quintus quickly realises there is no point resisting, chooses pragmatism before honour and betrays Maximus]]
* FreudianExcuse: Commodus explains, prior to killing his dad, that all he wanted was a little love and a warm hug... and what he would have done to get it.
* FreudianExcuse: Commodus explains, prior to killing his dad, that all he wanted was a little love and a warm hug... and what he would have done to get it.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Quintus comments early on that "People should know when they're conquered". [[spoiler:When Commodus kills Marcus Aurelius, Quintus quickly realises there is no point resisting, chooses pragmatism before honor and betrays Maximus]].
* FreudianExcuse: Commodus explains, prior to killing his dad, that all he wanted was a little love and a warm hug... and what he would have done to get it.
* FreudianExcuse: Commodus explains, prior to killing his dad, that all he wanted was a little love and a warm hug... and what he would have done to get it.
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* DualWielding: [[RetiredBadass Tigris of Gaul]] fights with a sword in one hand and an axe in the other.
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** To Maximus: "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?! ''ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?'' IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?!"
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** To From Maximus: "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?! ''ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?'' IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?!"
