History Film / Gladiator

21st May '17 4:24:56 PM MadCat221
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* CripplingTheCompetition: Commodus restrains and stabs Maximus just prior to their final, climactic arena duel in order to gain the upper hand during the fight.

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* CripplingTheCompetition: Commodus restrains and stabs Maximus just prior to their final, climactic arena duel in order to gain the upper hand during the fight. [[spoiler:It ''still'' isn't enough to even the tyrant's odds.]]
21st May '17 4:22:13 PM MadCat221
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** "Are you not entertained!? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?"

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** "Are you not entertained!? ARE "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?"ENTERTAINED?! ''ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?'' IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?!"
24th Apr '17 10:55:27 AM Kamikashi
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* AwesomeMcCoolname: Maximus Decimus Meridius is an example of an AwesomeMcCoolname with actual justification due to the Roman system of ''cognomina'', or titles/official nicknames. His given name is Decimus (at one point his family name is given as Aelius), Maximus was a common ''cognomen'' used by many other RealLife renowned Roman commanders, and Meridius probably refers either to past conquests in the South or his Spanish heritage (technically the names are in the wrong order, and should be Decimus Aelius Maximus Meridius). In English, he would possibly be [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Decimus the Great, Conqueror of the South]].

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* AwesomeMcCoolname: Maximus Decimus Meridius is an example of an AwesomeMcCoolname with actual justification due to the Roman system of ''cognomina'', or titles/official nicknames. His given name is Decimus (at one point his family name is given as Aelius), Maximus was a common ''cognomen'' used by many other RealLife renowned Roman commanders, and Meridius probably refers either to past conquests in the South or his Spanish heritage (technically the names are in the wrong order, and should be Decimus Aelius Maximus Meridius). In English, he would possibly be [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Decimus Aelius the Great, Conqueror of the South]].
8th Apr '17 9:03:49 PM Jormungar
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** In the first battle, Roman javelins (''pila'', singular ''pilum'') are used as thrusting spears.
** At one point, Rome is described as being founded as a Republic, and numerous characters refer to plans to turn it back into a republic for the people. Rome was actually founded as a kingdom, only becoming a republic later on. Justified: this is how the [[UnreliableNarrator characters themselves preferred to see history]].
** The real life Commodus was not incestous towards his sister at all [[note]]Indeed, according to the (notoriously unreliable) ''Augustan History'', Lucilla was the only one of his sisters that he ''didn't'' climb into bed with.[[/note]], and her exile and execution was purely for trying to plot his assassination.
** Lucilla was executed by Commodus (she tried to assassinate him) in 182 AD, predeceasing him by a full decade.
** Marcus Aurelius was eager to have Commodus take over, to the point where he broke with a trend of himself and the previous few emperors ''not'' inheriting the title, but being chosen for it by the previous ruler due to merit. Commodus was strangled in his bath after a 13-year rule, and power did not transfer to the Senate after his death.
** In-universe, Scipio Africanus and his citizen-levy legions would have had an apoplectic fit if they saw later generations characterise them as the chariot-riding, archery-using, "home team" gladiators for the sake of historical gloss on a, to them, vulgar execution (Republican-era gladiator fights of Scipio's time were generally not to the death). If anything, the fit-out of Maximus's men was far closer to Roman Republican legions than the "home team."
** Marcus Aurelius did win wars in southern Germania. The opening battle is at Vindobona, present day Vienna, which became a Roman colony. The dialogue is a little misleading and makes it sound like all of Germania has been conquered instead of just one tribe.

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** In the first battle, Roman javelins (''pila'', singular ''pilum'') are used as thrusting spears.
** At one point, Rome is described as being founded as a Republic, and numerous characters refer to plans to turn it back into a republic for the people. Rome was actually founded as a kingdom, only becoming a republic later on. Justified: this is how the [[UnreliableNarrator characters themselves preferred to see history]].
** The real life Commodus was not incestous towards his sister at all [[note]]Indeed, according to the (notoriously unreliable) ''Augustan History'', Lucilla was the only one of his sisters that he ''didn't'' climb into bed with.[[/note]], all, and her exile and execution was purely for trying to plot his assassination.
** Lucilla was executed by Commodus (she tried to assassinate him) in 182 AD, predeceasing him by a full decade.
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Marcus Aurelius was eager actually perfectly happy handing power over to have his son Commodus take over, to on his death, and had been grooming him for this very purpose for at least three years before his death. Similarly, nobody at the point where he broke with time was interested in returning Rome to an actual Republic, though Romans continued to call it that long after it had become a trend dictatorship in practice.
** An in-universe example. The reenactment
of himself and the previous few emperors ''not'' inheriting "Battle of Zama" in the title, but being chosen for it coliseum by the previous ruler due to merit. Commodus was strangled in his bath after a 13-year rule, and power did not transfer to Romans features the Senate after his death.
** In-universe, Scipio Africanus and his citizen-levy legions would have had an apoplectic fit if they saw later generations characterise them as
"Carthaginians" using Roman-style shields, while the chariot-riding, archery-using, "home team" gladiators for the sake "Roman Legions" consist of historical gloss on a, to them, vulgar execution (Republican-era gladiator fights war chariots, a number of Scipio's time were generally not to the death). If anything, the fit-out of Maximus's men was far closer to Roman Republican legions than the "home team."
** Marcus Aurelius did win wars in southern Germania. The opening battle is at Vindobona, present day Vienna,
which became a Roman colony. The dialogue is a little misleading contain black-skinned, female warriors. Justifiable, considering ancient Romans probably weren't too worried about history accuracy either, and makes it sound like all of Germania has been conquered instead of it's a gladiatorial show just one tribe.meant to [[RuleofCool look cool.]]



** As pointed out by Creator/RogerEbert himself, the "thumbs up" gesture actually ''meant'' death, mercy was signaled by holding the thumb within the fist.
** By the rule of Marcus Aurelius the Republic of Rome had been effectively dead for nearly 200 years and no one in power wanted it to return. Him asking Maximus to return power to the people would be seen as insane and totally unrealistic.
** The death of Commodus wasn't so much the start of a triumphiant return of democracy but the instigating event that led to the Crisis of the Third Century, which drove the Roman world into a nearly endless series of [[EndOfAnAge internal wars, famine, invasion, and uprisings.]]
8th Apr '17 8:55:41 PM Jormungar
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory:

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* HollywoodHistory: An in-story example. The reenactment of the "Battle of Zama" in the coliseum by the Romans features the "Carthaginians" using Roman-style shields, while the "Roman Legions" consist of war chariots, a number of which contain black-skinned, female warriors. Justifiable, considering ancient Romans probably won't too worried about history accuracy either, and it's a gladiatorial show just meant to [[RuleofCool look cool.]]
8th Apr '17 8:48:54 PM Jormungar
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* HollywoodHistory: An in-story example. The reenactment of the "Battle of Zama" in the coliseum by the Romans features the "Carthaginians" using Roman-style shields, while the "Roman Legions" consist of war chariots, a number of which contain black-skinned, female warriors. Justifiable, considering ancient Romans probably won't too worried about history accuracy either, and it's a gladiatorial show just meant to [[RuleofCool look cool.]]
8th Apr '17 5:48:11 PM LentilSandEater
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** The death of Commodus wasn't so much the start of a triumphiant return of democracy but the instigating event that led to the Crisis of the Third Century, which drove the Roman world into a nearly endless series of [[CrapsackWorld internal wars, famine, invasion, and uprisings.]]

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** The death of Commodus wasn't so much the start of a triumphiant return of democracy but the instigating event that led to the Crisis of the Third Century, which drove the Roman world into a nearly endless series of [[CrapsackWorld [[EndOfAnAge internal wars, famine, invasion, and uprisings.]]
8th Apr '17 5:45:46 PM LentilSandEater
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** Germania was ''never'' conquered by Rome. Not for want of trying, either.
*** Marcus Aurelius did win wars in southern Germania. The opening battle is at Vindobona, present day Vienna, which became a Roman colony. The dialogue is a little misleading and makes it sound like all of Germania has been conquered instead of just one tribe.

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** Germania was ''never'' conquered by Rome. Not for want of trying, either.
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Marcus Aurelius did win wars in southern Germania. The opening battle is at Vindobona, present day Vienna, which became a Roman colony. The dialogue is a little misleading and makes it sound like all of Germania has been conquered instead of just one tribe.
27th Feb '17 8:51:51 PM KingClark
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* KnowWhenToFoldEm: Discussed in the opening scene, regarding the Germans (who were, it's worth mentioning, ultimately never conquered by the Romans);

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* KnowWhenToFoldEm: Discussed in the opening scene, regarding the Germans (who were, it's worth mentioning, ultimately never conquered by the Romans);Germans:



* TheLastDance: [[spoiler:Maximus' last fight]].

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* TheLastDance: [[spoiler:Maximus' last fight]].fight against Commodus.]]



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27th Feb '17 8:44:58 PM KingClark
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** Maximus' names for the two horses on his breastplate translate to [[Series/TheLoneRanger "Silver"]] and [[Creator/RoyRogers "Trigger"]].
** "You have a great name" ("Maximus" literally translates to "very great")

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** Maximus' names for the two horses on his breastplate [[ShoutOut translate to to]] [[Series/TheLoneRanger "Silver"]] and [[Creator/RoyRogers "Trigger"]].
** "You have a great name" name." ("Maximus" literally translates to "very great")great".)
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