History DethroningMoment / FamilyGuy

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger]] [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger]] [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings to the fans over and over again since then]]. Basically, any episode that involves Meg (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger]] [[CreatorBacklash to the fans over and over again since then]]. Basically, any episode that involves Meg (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was (supposedly) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then. Basically, any episode that involves Meg (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was (supposedly) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and and basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then. Basically, any episode that involves Meg (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was (supposedly) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]][[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and and basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then. Basically, any episode that involves Meg (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was (supposedly) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]]'' [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and and basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then. Basically, any episode that involves Meg (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was (supposedly) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a]] ''[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot perfect]]'' [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and and basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then. Basically, any episode that involves Meg (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

** [=ThomasVeggieDramaFan=]: I guess almost five years was long enough for my previous entry so why not delete it in favor of my current one which is for "Con Heiress". Is it the worst episode of all time? No (that honor goes to "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS3E16AVerySpecialFamilyGuyFreakinChristmas A Very Special Family Guy Freakin' Christmas]]", which I know I'm in an extremely small minority on for having the balls to even badmouth that supposed "Classic"), but it's the maddest that this show has made me when watching a recent episode in quite a long time. Just from the premise alone I wasn't expecting anything, but I could've given it the benefit of the doubt over the snooze-fest that was "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E12SendInStewiePlease Send In Stewie, Please]]" for at least taking place in more than one location and not waste five minutes on Stewie having a pointless monologue that actually made me briefly doze off! But nope! Instead what I got was an episode I'd typically expect from modern ''American Dad!'' in regards to how lazy and lacking in effort it is, even down to having the same kind of twist at the end of act 2/beginning of act 3 that normally derails many an episode of that show, which in this episode's case is the random and forced insertion of Quagmire into the main plot which on AD! would typically be a spot reserved for Roger. And while the final reveal with Meg being the heiress was admittedly a little funny, I got still got pissed because '''1.''' The complete out of nowhere and randomness of it just further added to the modern AD! feeling I got from the episode as this ShockingSwerve gave me "Death by Dinner Party" flashbacks in regards to how nonsensical and scatterbrained the twist is (even by that show's standards) and '''2.''' Fuck you! Don't lie to me by claiming this to be a Meg episode all along when she's only now appearing within the last five seconds! The only things I'll say about the subplot that wasn't already summed up perfectly by the troper above is that to further drive home the modern AD! comparison, it feels like one I'd expect from that show nowadays where it's pointless and has no reason to exist other than the main plot ran short (even with all the tediously pointless long gags like the heiress' insanely stupidly long last name which amounted to possibly five entire minutes in total for the three times they beat it into the ground), and not since "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS14E8BrokebackSwanson Brokeback Swanson]]" have I seen the show resort to such levels of IdiotPlot that border on intelligence insulting! The only reason why this wasn't the worst episode I've seen of any series in 2018 is that unlike my #1 pick (which would be AD!'s "The Mural of the Story"), this episode at least didn't make me feel like getting drunk and/or killing myself after watching it in order to suppress how miserable of a time I had while watching!

** SG_Man_Forever: I hated this episode simply because I am tired of the stereotype that those from my state are ignorant, racist, sexist, dogmatic assholes who would attempt en masse to lynch people because they are gay. I recognize parody when I see it, but as the first troper noted, when you mix preachiness with over-the-top parody and include extremely mean-spirited stereotyping, the result is you sounding like an asshole.

** 12blank: I don't think atheists had it worse. The worst atheists got in this episode was being portrayed as having silly arguments for their beliefs, theists on the other hand were painted as uncontrollably violent psychopaths that needed to burn/lynch everything that opposed their worldview and are so sheep-like that a few seconds of preaching from a theist can flame them into a riot and a few seconds of preaching from an atheist can turn them back in to civilized people. It's hard to argue that atheists had it worse when the episode actively tried to [[GodwinsLaw conflate theists with Nazis]].
** Tropers/{{iheartmountains}}: Brian being shunned for his atheism was a bit funny as a TakeThat at religious intolerance (although the intent was probably to establish Brian as a SympatheticSue); as was Meg being portrayed as a typical zealous but misguided Christian teen (too bad the TheFundamentalist stereotype is clearly how ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'''s writers view all Christians). Initially, the episode's overall premise seemed decent, but I lost hope right around the "Worse than Hitler!" bit. Gah, lame. The peak of the episode's awfulness, though, was when Brian tried to explain why Meg's stab at religion was misguided and atheism is more logical. Sweet baby Jebus, worst argument for atheism I've ever heard. A loving God would've created Meg beautiful, and that disproves His existence? Not only did Brian objectify Meg by not for a moment entertaining the thought that her character could be more important than and compensate for her ugliness, but how is it God's fault that Meg is fat? And blaming God for her genetics, too? Fuck. Also, as Grimace noted, the subplot with Stewie meeting the cast from ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was easily funnier than anything else in the episode. I especially liked Picard's lines. If only they'd scrapped the shitty main plot and stuck with that.
*** Tropers/MattFisherNL: I concur. I especially hate the "Worse than Hitler!" chyron. This has to be the worst ''Family Guy'' episode I have ever seen. I'm a liberal who doesn't go to church and I am literally offended by this. It is offensive to Christians, all other religions, and Trekkies combined. At least ''South Park'' did better with the "Trapped in the Closet" Scientology episode. This episode sucks! I have actually credited Rowdy C's [[http://blip.tv/RowdyReviewer/tv-trash-not-all-dogs-go-to-heaven-5506179 "TV Trash" review]] for why I hate this. It really is what this would be like if Jack Chick was an atheist. I could rant about the other argued [=DMoS=] instances, but this one is the absolute worse I've seen personally.

*** Tropers/MrThorfan64: Not only that but I don't remember Brian helping Meg earlier and in most episodes when she is being abused. So despite Brian trying to seem like a really moral person who tells Meg how wrong it is she being tormented by her family proving there can't be a God, he only complains about when it causes problems for him and is happy to go back to allowing abuse to happen if it doesn't inconvenience him. And Brian also shows he is willing to give up his supposedly "Moral stance" and pretend to be someone else just so he could get drunk. This episode really offends everybody (theists, religious, though I understand who it offends me is up for debate) and has a massive LostAesop. The writers of this episode are the bigots here.

** Tropers/GreatDefender: I had an issue with this very episode as well, one thing in particular. When Brian is about to get his script published, he gives two men his script. It looks like they are about to call it horrible, but then say that they love it. A relieved Brian notes that he felt like Hitler there (a reference to a gag earlier with the exact same sequence but replace these two guys with one guy and Brian with Hitler). The two get silent and give a FlatWhat. Brian repeats his assertion and asks if either of them is Jewish. The angle shifts to reveal that they both have particularly large noses. Brian immediately apologizes, but the men laugh and assure him that they are actually Italian. Then a caption appears on the screen reading "Italians are not Jews". This bugs me for a number of reasons. First, "I felt like Hitler" is a reference to the Cutaway Gag, which Brian had no reason to assume these Italian guys saw. Why would he expect them to understand the "joke"? He just said, "I felt like Hitler." Second, Jews were not the only group killed by Nazis. Gypsies, disabled people, GLBTQ+ people, christians were also killed. Hitler is universally hated these days and Brian should not have immediately thought the men's silence was due to Judaism. Then they just laugh it off like they understood/were messing with Brian the whole time. And lastly, "Italians are not Jews"? Really? I happen to be both Jewish and Italian and am certain that this combination cannot be that rare. None of us appreciates our existence being completely denied. ''Family Guy''? A baby with a pacifier called. The kid wants its "suck" back!

** Tropers/ForcedDj7: Like what the other 3 tropers said, this has gone too far. Back in Season 1-3, Brian was the more reasonable person while Lois was more caring; now, we are stuck with the screed-spouting, bias-barfing, ego-driven douche bag he has become. Does that fucking dog need another beatdown, maybe from Lois? I think so after claiming everyone was doing fine before religion (by the way, I can name a good amount of wars in which religion wasn't involved) and even the few times in which "religion" was somewhat involved, it was circumstantial, that is, the conflicts of said "religious" wars had nothing to do with religion, perse, sometimes used as a secular standard or scapegoat, just because of a few people, or it was just people who happened to be the majority of their population of a certain religion and the latter had nothing to do with the conflict itself, and if we talk about secular atheist wars, anti religion, "anti superstition", bad news seth and family guy writers, the latter outnumber wars of any other kind in deaths, genocides, and cruelty. Besides and suggesting that they drink beer in A.A, while fooling their friend into thinking they are being cured (there is something wrong with playing a piano while there is a picture or a cross in the same room isn't there), yeah, deserves another beatdown.

** Tropers/InfinityLeague: Honestly, this episode seemed like an attempt by the writers to apologize for the hard-left shift the show took in recent years... only thing is, [[ALessonLearnedTooWell they went too far in the other direction]] and created a 22-minute anti-liberal PropagandaPiece. The worst scene in this episode has to be the one where Stewie and Brian go to the college and they see the students holding a mass protest. Stewie then remarks that [[WriterOnBoard protesting is the only thing keeping Millennials from staring at their cell phones all day]]. Wow, NeverHeardThatOneBefore. Stewie then slowly turns toward the camera with a smug grin on his face and the scene just pauses for a few seconds, as if the writers thought that joke was so goddamned clever that [[ViewersAreMorons the audience needed a break just to get it and laugh.]] Brian then talks to the lead protester, who explains that they are demanding that two professors be fired: one because he "didn't immediately overreact" (their words, not mine) to a transphobic comment, and the other because he told his students to "Have a nice day", which the student explains is a [[YouKeepUsingThatWord "microaggression"]] because something something systemic oppression blah blah blah white male privilege. [[StrawCharacter Seriously, who the hell talks like this? I've been going to college for three years, and I've never met anyone who actually talks like this.]] The camera then zooms in on Brian and Stewie, who talk for a moment before the camera pans out to reveal that the entire student body had disappeared.[[DontExplainTheJoke "Lol, geddit? It's funny 'cuz Millennials are lazy."]] As for the rest of the episode, it's a grotesque exaggeration of actual events of which the writers didn't even try to gain a clear understanding beforehand. random lefties on the Internet just aren't organized or motivated enough to pull off such a thing. Sure, they vehemently criticize people, but they don't harass them in the streets - and most of the time, it's because that person has actually done or said something legitimately racist (WebVideo/JonTron and LetsPlay/PewDiePie are recent examples, and Creator/MichaelRichards is an older one.) All too often, genuine racists try to justify themselves by saying that everyone else is at fault for being too sensitive, and this episode is dedicated to enabling that line of thinking. It's quite frankly disgusting.

** Tropers/InfinityLeague: Honestly, this episode seemed like an attempt by the writers to apologize for the hard-left shift the show took in recent years (a shift I never really minded because I mostly agreed with them, but I understand why others wouldn't like it)... only thing is, [[ALessonLearnedTooWell they went too far in the other direction]] and created a 22-minute anti-liberal PropagandaPiece. The worst scene in this episode has to be the one where Stewie and Brian go to the college and they see the students holding a mass protest. Stewie then remarks that [[WriterOnBoard protesting is the only thing keeping Millennials from staring at their cell phones all day]]. Wow, NeverHeardThatOneBefore. Stewie then slowly turns toward the camera with a smug grin on his face and the scene just pauses for a few seconds, as if the writers thought that joke was so goddamned clever that [[ViewersAreMorons the audience needed a break just to get it and laugh.]] Brian then talks to the lead protester, who explains that they are demanding that two professors be fired: one because he "didn't immediately overreact" (their words, not mine) to a transphobic comment, and the other because he told his students to "Have a nice day", which the student explains is a [[YouKeepUsingThatWord "microaggression"]] because something something systemic oppression blah blah blah white male privilege. [[StrawCharacter Seriously, who the hell talks like this? I've been going to college for three years, and I've never met anyone who actually talks like this.]] The camera then zooms in on Brian and Stewie, who talk for a moment before the camera pans out to reveal that the entire student body had disappeared.[[DontExplainTheJoke "Lol, geddit? It's funny 'cuz Millennials are lazy."]] As for the rest of the episode, it's a grotesque exaggeration of actual events of which the writers didn't even try to gain a clear understanding beforehand. random lefties on the Internet just aren't organized or motivated enough to pull off such a thing. Sure, they vehemently criticize people, but they don't harass them in the streets - and most of the time, it's because that person has actually done or said something legitimately racist (WebVideo/JonTron and LetsPlay/PewDiePie are recent examples, and Creator/MichaelRichards is an older one.) All too often, genuine racists try to justify themselves by saying that everyone else is at fault for being too sensitive, and this episode is dedicated to enabling that line of thinking. It's quite frankly disgusting.

** Tropers/ForcedDj7: Like what the other 3 tropers said, this has gone too far. Back in Season 1-3, Brian was the more reasonable person while Lois was more caring; now, we are stuck with the screed-spouting, bias-barfing, ego-driven douche bag he has become. Does that fucking dog need another beatdown, maybe from Lois? I think so after claiming everyone was doing fine before religion (by the way, I can name a good amount of wars in which religion wasn't involved)and even the few times in which "religion" was somewhat involved, it was circumstantial , that is, the conflicts of said "religious" wars had nothing to do with religion, perse, sometimes used as a secular standard or scapegoat, just because of a few people, or it was just people who happened to be the majority of their population of a certain religion and the latter had nothing to do with the conflict itself, and suggesting that they drink beer in A.A, while fooling their friend into thinking they are being cured (there is something wrong with playing a piano while there is a picture or a cross in the same room isn't there), yeah, deserves another beatdown.

** Tropers/ForcedDj7: Like what the other 3 tropers said, this has gone too far. Back in Season 1-3, Brian was the more reasonable person while Lois was more caring; now, we are stuck with the screed-spouting, bias-barfing, ego-driven douche bag he has become. Does that fucking dog need another beatdown, maybe from Lois? I think so after claiming everyone was doing fine before religion (by the way, I can name a good amount of wars in which religion wasn't involved), and suggesting that they drink beer in A.A, while fooling their friend into thinking they are being cured (there is something wrong with playing a piano while there is a picture or a cross in the same room isn't there), yeah, deserves another beatdown.

** Tropers/GreatDefender: I had an issue with this very episode as well, one thing in particular. When Brian is about to get his script published, he gives two men his script. It looks like they are about to call it horrible, but then say that they love it. A relieved Brian notes that he felt like Hitler there (a reference to a gag earlier with the exact same sequence but replace these two guys with one guy and Brian with Hitler). The two get silent and give a FlatWhat. Brian repeats his assertion and asks if either of them is Jewish. The angle shifts to reveal that they both have particularly large noses. Brian immediately apologizes, but the men laugh and assure him that they are actually Italian. Then a caption appears on the screen reading "Italians are not Jews". This bugs me for a number of reasons. First, "I felt like Hitler" is a reference to the Cutaway Gag, which Brian had no reason to assume these Italian guys saw. Why would he expect them to understand the "joke"? He just said, "I felt like Hitler." Second, Jews were not the only group killed by Nazis. Gypsies, disabled people, GLBTQ+ people, atheists, and even Christians were also killed. Hitler is universally hated these days and Brian should not have immediately thought the men's silence was due to Judaism. Then they just laugh it off like they understood/were messing with Brian the whole time. And lastly, "Italians are not Jews"? Really? I happen to be both Jewish and Italian and am certain that this combination cannot be that rare. None of us appreciates our existence being completely denied. ''Family Guy''? A baby with a pacifier called. The kid wants its "suck" back!

*** Tropers/MrThorfan64: Not only that but I don't remember Brian helping Meg earlier and in most episodes when she is being abused. So despite Brian trying to seem like a really moral person who tells Meg how wrong it is she being tormented by her family proving there can't be a God, he only complains about when it causes problems for him and is happy to go back to allowing abuse to happen if it doesn't inconvenience him. And Brian also shows he is willing to give up his supposedly "Moral stance" and pretend to be someone else just so he could get drunk. This episode really offends everybody (theists and atheists, though I understand who it offends me is up for debate) and has a massive LostAesop. The writers of this episode are the bigots here.

** Tropers/{{iheartmountains}}: Brian being shunned for his atheism was a bit funny as a TakeThat at religious intolerance (although the intent was probably to establish Brian as a SympatheticSue); as was Meg being portrayed as a typical zealous but misguided Christian teen (too bad the TheFundamentalist stereotype is clearly how ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'''s writers view all Christians). Initially, the episode's overall premise seemed decent, but I lost hope right around the "Worse than Hitler!" bit. Gah, lame. The peak of the episode's awfulness, though, was when Brian tried to explain why Meg's stab at religion was misguided and atheism is more logical. Sweet baby Jebus, worst argument for atheism I've ever heard. A loving God would've created Meg beautiful, and that disproves His existence? Not only did Brian objectify Meg by not for a moment entertaining the thought that her character could be more important than and compensate for her ugliness, but how is it God's fault that Meg is fat? And blaming God for her genetics, too? Fuck, this Christian troper could've come up with a way better argument for atheism. Also, as Grimace noted, the subplot with Stewie meeting the cast from ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was easily funnier than anything else in the episode. I especially liked Picard's lines. If only they'd scrapped the shitty main plot and stuck with that.
*** Tropers/MattFisherNL: I concur. I especially hate the "Worse than Hitler!" chyron. This has to be the worst ''Family Guy'' episode I have ever seen. I'm a liberal who doesn't go to church and I am literally offended by this. It is offensive to Christians, atheists, all other religions, and Trekkies combined. At least ''South Park'' did better with the "Trapped in the Closet" Scientology episode. This episode sucks! I have actually credited Rowdy C's [[http://blip.tv/RowdyReviewer/tv-trash-not-all-dogs-go-to-heaven-5506179 "TV Trash" review]] for why I hate this. It really is what this would be like if Jack Chick was an atheist. I could rant about the other argued [=DMoS=] instances, but this one is the absolute worse I've seen personally.

** Tropers/{{Baroxio}}: The really worst part about it though, is that they could have given Brian an actual reason to be an atheist. But no, we get the Hubble Telescope and man in the clouds debunk. Seriously? That's the only reason to be an Atheist? This atheist troper thinks the episode is more insulting to Atheists than it is to Theists. The worst part though, was that even though they already threw canon out the window just to put this episode in, they all the sudden want to retain the fact that Brian is an atheist (and of "Jerome Is The New Black", itself a [=DMoS=], the fact that Quagmire hates Brian irrationally).
*** 12blank: I agree that it's pretty demeaning to atheists too, but I don't think atheists had it worse. The worst atheists got in this episode was being portrayed as having silly arguments for their beliefs, theists on the other hand were painted as uncontrollably violent psychopaths that needed to burn/lynch everything that opposed their worldview and are so sheep-like that a few seconds of preaching from a theist can flame them into a riot and a few seconds of preaching from an atheist can turn them back in to civilized people. It's hard to argue that atheists had it worse when the episode actively tried to [[GodwinsLaw conflate theists with Nazis]].

*** Tropers/{{Midna}}: I don't watch Family Guy that much, but "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" is the kind of episode that completely falls apart when you think about it for more than a minute. So Meg becomes a fundamentalist Christian, and Brian convinces her to drop it by providing evidence for why there isn't a God. Okay, fine. Preachy as hell, but people who don't like it can go watch something else or pretend the episode doesn't exist, and move on. But prior to this episode, and even after, God is a recurring character, as is Jesus, who is treated as the actual Son of God and not as some delusional weirdo. Yet, despite the actual, definitive existence of God and the confirmed truth of Jesus' words in the ''Family Guy'' universe, [[FlatEarthAtheist Brian still chooses not to believe in them]]. That's literally no different from insisting that the sky is pink, even though everyone you talk to says the sky is blue, and in fact you yourself know and have independently confirmed that the sky is blue, yet continue to insist that it's pink. I'm agnostic, so I'm not really in any position to discuss this, but the way it's written, Brian isn't just preaching atheist viewpoints but being deliberately contrarian for the sake of it even though he knows he's wrong--which doesn't exactly paint of the atheist community this episode tries to convince members of whichever organized religion to join in a positive light.

** SG_Man_Forever: I hated this episode simply because I am tired of the stereotype that those from my state are ignorant, racist, sexist, dogmatic assholes who would attempt en masse to lynch people because they are gay or atheist. I recognize parody when I see it, but as the first troper noted, when you mix preachiness with over-the-top parody and include extremely mean-spirited stereotyping, the result is you sounding like an asshole.

** redjirachi: I hate this episode more than any other because of [[FridgeHorror what it says about the writers.]] They are aware of the complaints about the show, and giving how devastated the Griffins were, they know that they're valid. They could have very easily used this to write Meg out, which would be a quick and easy way for Seth to deal with his inability to write teenage girls (and the reason why she became such a tortured ButtMonkey in the first place). They could've easily set this up for [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap making the Griffins likeable again]], by having them have to deal with [[HeelRealization their faults]] instead of deflecting it on Meg. But they don't. What could have very well be the post-revival's SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome instead becomes one of the most offensive Aesops I've ever seen. The fact that they knew what we [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy considered]] [[SadistShow wrong]] with the show yet kept StatusQuoIsGod while attempting to justify it shows they have no intention of bettering ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''. Not because they can't (as mentioned above, they very nearly did), or because they were afraid of losing money (making ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' a better show would boost sales), but that doesn't matter because [[MoneyDearBoy they're still rich.]] And that's the best case scenario. The worst case? [[FridgeHorror They think]] [[UnfortunateImplications it's]] [[NightmareFuel funny!]] If a show could pass the MoralEventHorizon, then this episode is an example. After all, how can you possibly redeem ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' if it outright defies the best possible method of salvaging the show?!

** Tropers/AznPinoy: Aside the fact that it cannot be spread by blood, let me put it this way. Brian knowingly giving someone herpes, that's messed up. Him knowingly giving a teenager herpes, really messed up. Brian Griffin knowingly giving herpes to two family members, one who is barely a child and saved his life (yeah, it is a few episodes after the infamous Life of Brian and Christmas Guy), extremely fucked up. It could have been done better, maybe Brian warned Stewie about him having herpes and Stewie doesn't believe him, but nope, he knowingly does the blood handshake and infects the person who saved his life with herpes, and tries to dismiss it and gets pissed off when Stewie and Chris try to get revenge on him. I don't know (or care) on what horrible shit that he has done since I stopped watching Family Guy, but at this point, Brian Griffin should have stayed dead.

** Tropers/AznPinoy: When I saw "Seashore Seashell Party", I thought, "Brian can't get any worse, right?" Well, I was somewhat wrong on the Thanksgiving episode (when dismissing a valid reason that Kevin deserting is wrong), and it was confirmed by the dolphin episode. I am not going to tell how horrible it was; I don't know what Gervais thought of this episode, or if he thought it sucked. But the subplot was worse. I knew what was going to happen, the old Brian sees a hot woman being the "babysitter," ignores the other people to try to have sex with her or see her naked, but later on, she is already taken. Same old, same old. What's worse, the fact that he said there was a special place for Hell for her, or the fact that there was no retribution or punishment for leaving the toddlers to fend for themselves. Or is it both, did he thought that saying a special place for Hell will make everything okay, even though as an atheist, "Hell doesn't exist"? Maybe the family should beat up Brian, or for irony, let Lois do it.

* fluffything: To prove not everything pre-revival was a classic, we have the Season 1 episode "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS1E7BrianPortraitOfADog Brian: Portrait of a Dog]]", which shows the dog's BlackHoleSue tendencies went as far back as the first season. Why? Well, at first, the episode starts out great with Brian feeling Peter doesn't respect him and Peter also feeling Brian doesn't appreciate him causing the former to run away. But, then it goes completely downhill after Brian runs away and we are subjected to many many parallels to the 1960s "Civil Rights" movements. No, just, no. It's a bad comparison for many reasons. First, equating a dog's (albeit a human-level intelligent one) problems with "leash laws" to the "Jim Crow" laws is just insulting on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Second, the indignities that minorities had to endure were far worse than Brian not being allowed to drink at a fountain or having to wear a leash for his own protection. And, finally, the parallel just doesn't work because most dogs in the series are realistic animal-minded dogs (About the only dogs in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' that are of human level intelligence are Brian, New Brian (deceased), Jasper, and the Griffin's old dog Todd. This isn't Brian asking for equal rights for his species. This is Brian complaining about not being treated "special" because he's a talking dog.
** Squir: Not to mention that it can carry FridgeLogic UnfortunateImplications.[[note]]If it's actually serious and not just patronization of civil rights, then what is the intended message? People are trying to make dogs do human-like things all the time, so it's illogical to say that we're not treating them human enough. An all-too-easy conclusion is that it's referring to [[spoiler:interspecies romance]][[/note]]
** Chilliwack: Most unforgivably for me was the fact that except for a few sparse moments, this episode was played dead serious. Viewers of the time had come to expect non-stop laughs from this show. It just wasn't funny. And it didn't match any prior episodes in tone.

** Animeking1108: The skit where Brian and Stewie go to the universe where Japan won WWII. They have the family as [[UnfortunateImplications racist characters]] that would make [[Franchise/StarWars Jar Jar]] look respectful. First, he tells Japanese!Meg to commit seppuku for being ugly, which she does, and then beats Lois for something stupid. This is why I'm convinced the writers hate Asians.

** {{CapriciousSamon}}: I was on the fence as to changing my DMOS from "Trump Guy" to "Mom's the Word" until I got introduced to this episode. I liked the plot of the episode and I thought I'd give it a watch, and I found it's a super lazy version of "Brian Wallows and Peter Swallows", easily one of the Top 5 worst of the modern seasons. The worst moment of the episode has to be where Brian lists the old woman's super long last name instead of just "her name is Pip Onassis but she has hundreds of other last names." It's not Daenerys Targayean where she has a dozen names, it takes like a minute and a half. And then Stewie repeats it. And then they have to hear people sing Happy Birthday to her while saying her super long last name, and the only animation being the door moving. Apparently the wiki says it's a Monty Python reference, but it just reads like they didn't know how to make the plot work, so they just gave us this. The Mysterious Mr. Enter says that modern FG has a problem with "Dad Noises" jokes where they just have a boring anti-humor joke go on and on to burn a minute of screen-time. It's annoying when Peter spends a minute trying to open a can of spinach, but it makes me angered when it happens here. It's on the level of [[{{Hypocrite}} Peter in "Trump Guy" deriding Bob's Burgers for having shitty animation, despite the fact he's not one to talk.]]

** cartoonnetworkfan: Really, the one thing that irks me about the whole speech is the part where Quagmire accuses him of being a bad father for not seeing him as much anymore. Now I know for a fact that Brian isn't exactly the model father (There's proof of that like 4 seasons later) but I wouldn't want to hear that from somebody who implied at the end of the week before's episode "Quagmire's Baby" that he would visit his daughter when she reaches legal age to have sex with her (as the troper said above). So the gist of all this is not visiting your son for years is worse than thinking about having sex with your daughter in the future?
** Anufenrir: I will defend this show sedimentary for when it has a good moment, and "Jerome is the New Black" isn't a bad episode in itself with some funny bits with introducing the character... except for the obvious start of what could easily be what ruined the show for me. The entire Quagmire hates Brian thing is bullshit. For one, it's unfounded. Was it added to make the episodes more interesting? Because for me it just makes me loathe what the show can produce. When I see an episode that focuses on either character now, I pray that the other one doesn't show up to ruin the episode. Hell, even if the episode doesn't center around either of them, I still pray for them to not interact. Another reason this is the dumbest thing ever is that it is, as said many many times, entirely hypocritical. Even if what he's saying is true, Quagmire has no right to assume he's a better person than Brian. At least Brian tries to be a good person. Quagmire refuses to do anything but advance his sexual deviancy and is not below raping, lying about his STDs, tricking women into having sex with them without a condom (which has led to many illegitimate children which he is aware of), and has even stated he would sleep with his own daughter. Brian is at worse a hypocritical prick but harmless. (Also, can we stop calling Brian a bad parent? If I recall, he didn't abandon his son, Dylon went back to his mother on his own will after Brian improved his own life.) I cite this episode as the downhill point of the series. Sure there have been some good points that I've enjoyed, but it's not as entertaining knowing what these two characters can do to ruin an episode.

** Anufenrir: I will defend this show sedimentary for when it has a good moment, and "Jerome is the New Black" isn't a bad episode in itself with some funny bits with introducing the character... except for the obvious start of what could easily be what ruined the show for me. The entire Quagmire hates Brian thing is bullshit. For one, it's unfounded. Was it added to make the episodes more interesting? Because for me it just makes me loathe what the show can produce. When I see an episode that focuses on either character now, I pray that the other one doesn't show up to ruin the episode. Hell, even if the episode doesn't center around either of them, I still pray for them to not interact. Another reason this is the dumbest thing ever is that it is, as said many many times, entirely hypocritical. Even if what he's saying is true, Quagmire has no right to assume he's a better person than Brian. At least Brian tries to be a good person. Quagmire refuses to do anything but advance his sexual deviancy and is not below raping, lying about his STDs, tricking women into having sex with them without a condom (which has led to many illegitimate children which he is aware of), and has even stated he would sleep with his own daughter. Brian is at worse a hypocritical prick but harmless. (Also, can we stop calling Brian a bad parent? If I recall, he didn't abandon his son, Dylon went back to his mother on his own will after Brian improved his own life.) I cite this episode as the downhill point of the series. Sure there have been some good points that I've enjoyed, but it's not as entertaining knowing what these two characters can do to ruin an episode.

* Tropers/{{Westing1992}}: I have only seen one episode of ''Family Guy'' in my life, and it was bad enough that I'm unlikely to watch any in the future. The episode in question was "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS2E5WhistleWhileYourWifeWorks Whistle While Your Wife Works]]". For starters, it opens with Peter blowing his fingers off with a firework, scattering them around the neighborhood in a sequence that was uncomfortable and unfunny. Due to his injuries, Peter has Lois become his secretary and wants to have sex with her in his office. Meanwhile, Brian is dating a hot, but incredibly dumb, girl, and wants to break up with her. Neither storyline is very funny, and neither has an adequate ending: Peter and Lois have sex, but she's still working as his secretary; Brian tries to break up with the girl, but winds up having sex with her instead. Sex is not a valid substitute for resolutions. But what stands out for me the worst is a cutaway gag where Peter mentions having lots of hiding places for his porn. The resulting gag is about a minute showing Peter going into an elaborate underground vault, and, at the end, takes out a porn magazine; it's an overly-long setup to a joke to which we already know the punchline.

* Tropers/{{MrJeperson}}: It has to be "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS4E19BrianSingsAndSwings Brian Sings and Swings]]". The subplot, where Meg pretends to be a lesbian to get more friends, is yet more kicking of the ButtMonkey (and the moment where Lois, who of course has to be Teh Sex at all times, mocks Meg and then fakes lesbianism so much better than her daughter is yet another one that only makes Lois all the more unlikeable) - but what really makes this episode so nauseating is the repeated butt-kissing administered to Frank Sinatra Jr, just so that Seth can get to sing with a Sinatra. Yes, Seth, we get it - you have a fairly good singing voice. But Pavarotti or Presley you are not. Hell, you're not even Sinatra Jr. So just quit it already. (Oh, and would good old AuthorAvatar Brian really proclaim that he feels "like freakin' Jesus" when he sings?...)

** Tropers/{{Technature}}: Since the episode is already on here, I'll put my thoughts down. The episode was just bad in general, but the absolute worst part was the fact that Meg was willing to give Chris a roofie. [[ItMakesSenseInContext I think I'm gonna need to explain this one]]. Meg develops a crush on a boy in school (Kent), but she eventually finds out that he's gay, and happens to have a crush on Chris. So Meg asks Chris to sleep with him. Naturally, he says no, so instead of just dropping it, she decides to trick Kent by saying Chris said yes, but is insecure about being gay and is going to pretend to be asleep during sex. Meanwhile, she gets a roofie from Quagmire (about the only thing in all this that makes sense) to serve to Chris in a glass of juice. The reason this bothers me so much is the fact that this is Meg, the person who a season or two ago, was willing to give up her happiness and allow herself to be treated like shit so the rest of her family could be happy. It's not the first time she's done something crazy due to a crush, but it never involved her family (except for Brian, though this was the person she was after at the moment it happened), at least nothing harmful. Any character development that the writers left her with during that episode is gone now.