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* KickTheDog: At the end of ''The Lost Age'', [[spoiler:when she notices that Garet's loved ones survived the destruction of Vale, she and Sheba tease him about his understandable despair in an extremely mean-spirited manner]].
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* SpinOffspring: Almost all of the characters are descended from the heroes or minor characters. Matthew's parents are [[ChildHoodFriendromance Isaac and Jenna]], Tyrell's father is Garet, but he is apparently unrelated to Rief, Mia's son. Rief's sister apparently develops a crush on Piers, ruling him out as a possible father. Karis is Ivan's daughter, but no indication is given as to who her mother might be. The remaining characters are Amiti, who is strongly implied to be [[spoiler:Alex's illegitimate son]]; Eoleo, who is the son of Briggs and was actually seen in ''VideoGame/GoldenSunTheLostAge'' as a baby; and Himi, daughter of minor characters Susa and Kushinada from the same game. The only character who isn't related to anyone important in the GBA duology is Sveta. Interestingly, while Isaac and Garet show up, and Mia, Ivan, and Piers are frequently mentioned, there's barely any talk of Jenna, and Felix and Sheba are conspicuously absent.
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* SpinOffspring: Almost all of the characters are descended from the heroes or minor characters. Matthew's parents are [[ChildHoodFriendromance [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Isaac and Jenna]], Tyrell's father is Garet, but he is apparently unrelated to Rief, Mia's son. Rief's sister apparently develops a crush on Piers, ruling him out as a possible father. Karis is Ivan's daughter, but no indication is given as to who her mother might be. The remaining characters are Amiti, who is strongly implied to be [[spoiler:Alex's illegitimate son]]; Eoleo, who is the son of Briggs and was actually seen in ''VideoGame/GoldenSunTheLostAge'' as a baby; and Himi, daughter of minor characters Susa and Kushinada from the same game. The only character who isn't related to anyone important in the GBA duology is Sveta. Interestingly, while Isaac and Garet show up, and Mia, Ivan, and Piers are frequently mentioned, there's barely any talk of Jenna, and Felix and Sheba are conspicuously absent.
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* CombatMedic: One of three characters that learn healing spells in their base class and one of the two who can learn Revive by equipping Djinn of the same type (the other one being Felix).
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* CombatMedic: One of three four characters that learn healing spells in their base class and one of the two who can learn Revive by equipping Djinn of the same type (the other one being Felix).
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* TookALevelInBadass: At the end of the first game, Felix himself states that he's no match for Isaac (due to Isaac's [[TookALevelInBadass levels in badass]]). Typically by the time the first party joins the group, Felix is almost as powerful as Isaac is, if not ''more so'' due to the [[SequelDifficultySpike longer and more annoying dungeons, the trickier and more frequent bosses]], and the subsequent LevelGrinding.
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* TookALevelInBadass: At the end of the first game, Felix himself states that he's no match for Isaac (due to Isaac's [[TookALevelInBadass levels in badass]]). Typically by the time the first party joins the group, Felix is almost as powerful as Isaac is, if not ''more so'' due to the [[SequelDifficultySpike longer and more annoying dungeons, the trickier and more frequent bosses]], and the subsequent LevelGrinding.so''.
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* HealingHands: As per the tradition of pure Venus Adepts, she has Access to Cure psynergies.
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* WaterIsWomanly: Mia is the team's Mercury Adept and the resident healer, with the gentle, ladylike personality to match.
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* MadeOfIron: He's just knocked unconscious without any injuries after falling over and over three times, attempting to [[spoiler:switch on the Apollo Lens. Then after awakened he's so fast that he ran and caught Sveta before anyone else could.]]
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* MadeOfIron: He's just knocked unconscious without any injuries after falling over and over three times, attempting to [[spoiler:switch on the Apollo Lens. Then after awakened he's so fast that he ran runs and caught catches Sveta before anyone else could.can.]]
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* NiceGuy: The general {{Fanon}} interpretation and, optional reactions aside, there seems to be an element of truth to it, too.
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* NonActionGuy: In ''Golden Sun'', Saturos and Menardi never let him fight, so he's fairly wimpy throughout the game. Once you take control of him in ''The Lost Age'', he becomes much more powerful.
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* YouAreInCommandNow: Once Saturos and Menardi bite it on Venus Lighthouse, he takes command of the survivors of Saturos' party.
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** Back in The Lost Age, Kushinada said (via Mind Read) that her son Takeru will rush to help the children of Felix's party (which includes Jenna) should they ever be in danger. It is her younger daughter Himi that actually helps out Matthew and company.
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* KickTheDog: At the end of ''The Lost Age'', [[spoiler:when she notices that Garet's loved ones survived the destruction of Vale, she and Sheba tease him about his understandable despair in an extremely mean-spirited manner]].
* TheQuietOne: Especially in ''The Lost Age'', where she barely gets any lines.
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* {{Leitmotif}}: Notably in ''The Lost Age'' she has her own battle theme and plays whenever neither Isaac or Felix aren't in the first party formation.
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* SpinOffspring:
** At least some of the player characters in are apparently the descendants of the player characters from the original GBA games (example: Matthew, TheHero, is Isaac's son, and [[GenerationXerox looks and plays a lot like him]]). Due to the series' extensively developed {{Shipping}} community, along with the equally awe-inspiring ShipToShipCombat, this may have some interesting results in the fandom.
** In fact, almost all of the characters are descended from the heroes or minor characters. Matthew's mother is revealed to be [[ChildHoodFriendromance Jenna]], Tyrell's father is Garet, but he is apparently unrelated to Rief, Mia's son. Rief's sister apparently develops a crush on Piers, ruling him out as a possible father. Karis is Ivan's daughter, but no indication is given as to who her mother might be. The remaining characters are Eoleo, who is the son of Briggs and was actually seen in ''VideoGame/GoldenSunTheLostAge'' as a baby, and Himi, daughter of minor characters Susa and Kushinada from the same game. The only character whose parentage is ambiguous is Amiti, although [[spoiler:there's strong indications that Alex is his father in the ending]]. Interestingly, while Isaac and Garet show up, and Mia, Ivan, and Piers are frequently mentioned, there's barely any talk of Jenna, and Felix and Sheba are conspicuously absent.
** At least some of the player characters in are apparently the descendants of the player characters from the original GBA games (example: Matthew, TheHero, is Isaac's son, and [[GenerationXerox looks and plays a lot like him]]). Due to the series' extensively developed {{Shipping}} community, along with the equally awe-inspiring ShipToShipCombat, this may have some interesting results in the fandom.
** In fact, almost all of the characters are descended from the heroes or minor characters. Matthew's mother is revealed to be [[ChildHoodFriendromance Jenna]], Tyrell's father is Garet, but he is apparently unrelated to Rief, Mia's son. Rief's sister apparently develops a crush on Piers, ruling him out as a possible father. Karis is Ivan's daughter, but no indication is given as to who her mother might be. The remaining characters are Eoleo, who is the son of Briggs and was actually seen in ''VideoGame/GoldenSunTheLostAge'' as a baby, and Himi, daughter of minor characters Susa and Kushinada from the same game. The only character whose parentage is ambiguous is Amiti, although [[spoiler:there's strong indications that Alex is his father in the ending]]. Interestingly, while Isaac and Garet show up, and Mia, Ivan, and Piers are frequently mentioned, there's barely any talk of Jenna, and Felix and Sheba are conspicuously absent.
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* SpinOffspring:
** At least some of the player characters in are apparently the descendants of the player characters from the original GBA games (example: Matthew, TheHero, is Isaac's son, and [[GenerationXerox looks and plays a lot like him]]). Due to the series' extensively developed {{Shipping}} community, along with the equally awe-inspiring ShipToShipCombat, this may have some interesting results in the fandom.
** In fact, almostSpinOffspring: Almost all of the characters are descended from the heroes or minor characters. Matthew's mother is revealed to be parents are [[ChildHoodFriendromance Isaac and Jenna]], Tyrell's father is Garet, but he is apparently unrelated to Rief, Mia's son. Rief's sister apparently develops a crush on Piers, ruling him out as a possible father. Karis is Ivan's daughter, but no indication is given as to who her mother might be. The remaining characters are Amiti, who is strongly implied to be [[spoiler:Alex's illegitimate son]]; Eoleo, who is the son of Briggs and was actually seen in ''VideoGame/GoldenSunTheLostAge'' as a baby, baby; and Himi, daughter of minor characters Susa and Kushinada from the same game. The only character whose parentage is ambiguous is Amiti, although [[spoiler:there's strong indications that Alex is his father who isn't related to anyone important in the ending]].GBA duology is Sveta. Interestingly, while Isaac and Garet show up, and Mia, Ivan, and Piers are frequently mentioned, there's barely any talk of Jenna, and Felix and Sheba are conspicuously absent.
** At least some of the player characters in are apparently the descendants of the player characters from the original GBA games (example: Matthew, TheHero, is Isaac's son, and [[GenerationXerox looks and plays a lot like him]]). Due to the series' extensively developed {{Shipping}} community, along with the equally awe-inspiring ShipToShipCombat, this may have some interesting results in the fandom.
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* TheSmartGuy: Manages to to claim this role despite the apprentice of ''the'' [[TheSmartGuy Smart Guy]] being in the party (primarly because the script chose to use her to do any exposition due to Matthew's [[HeroicMime disability]]). Usually she's the first one to figure out puzzles, while Rief is reliable for providing information.
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* TheSmartGuy: Manages to to claim this role despite the apprentice of ''the'' [[TheSmartGuy Smart Guy]] being in the party (primarly (primarily because the script chose to use her to do any exposition due to Matthew's [[HeroicMime disability]]). Usually she's the first one to figure out puzzles, while Rief is reliable for providing information.
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* BoundAndGagged: It's ''said'' that he is in the offical strategy guide, when you find him inside the crate. However, his in-game sprite doesn't appear to be gagged, simply bound.
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* CrutchCharacter: He is the best healer in the party once Amiti and his three Mercury Djinn join, and he also gets horrifically early access to a 140 power offensive Psynergy through the Ice Queen that won't be surpassed for another 20 level ups or so and actually has the PP pool to abuse it (unlike Amiti with the same Ice Queen or Tyrell with the Sand Prince). Unfortunately, in the late game magic falls off in favor of physical attacks and his poor stat spread and horrible weapon access typically see him relegated to permanent benchwarming duty in favor of Karis or Amiti.
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* GenderEqualEnsemble: [[spoiler:Until the Reunion]], Felix's party has an equal amount of guys and girls. Whether this applies before or after Piers joins depends on whether you count [[NonActionGuy Kraden]] or not.
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Though mostly contained within Fanon, Felix is often shown as this towards Jenna. The thing is, since this is Fanon we're talking about here, it sometimes gets taken a [[KnightTemplarBigBrother few steps]] [[BrotherSisterIncest further...]]
* BoisterousWeakling: In the first game, he claims that Isaac will never beat his group despite revealed being a level 5 Squire in the beginning of the sequel. Justified that Saturos and Menardi are Prox's strongest warriors who [[CurbStompBattle mops the floor with Isaac and Garet]] three years ago and Felix wanted to gain their trust for his own (as well as Jenna and Kraden's) safety.
* BoisterousWeakling: In the first game, he claims that Isaac will never beat his group despite revealed being a level 5 Squire in the beginning of the sequel. Justified that Saturos and Menardi are Prox's strongest warriors who [[CurbStompBattle mops the floor with Isaac and Garet]] three years ago and Felix wanted to gain their trust for his own (as well as Jenna and Kraden's) safety.
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* DramaticUnmask: In Sol Sanctum to his sister Jenna and his childhood friends, Isaac and Garet, who all thought he was dead.
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* DramaticUnmask: In Sol Sanctum Briefly wears a mask at the beginning of the first game to hide his survival from his sister Jenna and his childhood friends, Isaac and Garet, who all thought he was dead.dead, but removes it in Sol Sanctum to gain their trust.
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* MeaningfulName: An interesting case; Felix is Latin for "lucky." Now let's see: [[spoiler:He ''nearly'' drowned, was ''nearly'' crushed by a boulder, ''nearly'' came to blows with Saturos and Menardi, ''nearly'' came to blows with Isaac and company, ''nearly'' drowned ''again'' after ''jumping off a lighthouse into the ocean'', was ''nearly'' killed by a tidal wave, was ''nearly'' killed by Agatio and Karst, and then ''[[OverlyLongGag NEARLY]]'' killed his own parents.]] If all those [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment "nearlys"]] didn't indicate, he has survived [[TraumaCongaLine every single one of these deadly situations]]. So, yes, he is very lucky! In an ironic subversion, stat-wise, his luck is the worst.
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* MeaningfulName: An interesting case; Felix is Latin for "lucky." Now let's see: [[spoiler:He ''nearly'' drowned, was ''nearly'' crushed by a boulder, ''nearly'' came to blows with Saturos and Menardi, ''nearly'' came to blows with Isaac and company, ''nearly'' drowned ''again'' after ''jumping off a lighthouse into the ocean'', was ''nearly'' killed by a tidal wave, was ''nearly'' killed by Agatio and Karst, and then ''[[OverlyLongGag NEARLY]]'' killed his own parents.]] If all those [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment "nearlys"]] didn't indicate, he has survived [[TraumaCongaLine every single one of these deadly situations]]. [[UnluckilyLucky So, yes, he is very lucky! lucky!]] In an ironic subversion, stat-wise, his luck is the worst.worst.
* MovesetClone: He has the exact same element, class lineup, and equipment access as Isaac. He only differs slightly in his stats.
* MovesetClone: He has the exact same element, class lineup, and equipment access as Isaac. He only differs slightly in his stats.
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* DamningWithFaintPraise: Probably unintentional; the manual declares that [[{{Tsundere}} Karis]] is the most levelheaded of the initial trio. I mean depending on how you make Matthew react to things it can even be quite true, but still...
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* DamningWithFaintPraise: DamnedByFaintPraise: Probably unintentional; the manual declares that [[{{Tsundere}} Karis]] is the most levelheaded of the initial trio. I mean Her "competition" is the HotBlooded IdiotHero Tyrell and, depending on how you make Matthew react to things it can even be quite true, but still...him react, TheStoic Matthew.
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* ImprobableAimingSkills: First party member in Golden Sun that is able to use bows. That said, she cannot pull off improbable shots reliably and has to use each bow awhile before she can do them at all.
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* ImprobableAimingSkills: First party member in Golden Sun ''Golden Sun'' that is able to use bows. That said, she cannot pull off improbable shots reliably and has to use each bow awhile before she can do them at all.
* MageMarksman: She is a powerful caster, and a passable shot with a bow.
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* MacGuffinSuperPerson[=/=]TheChosenOne: Is chosen as the bearer of the Insight Glass, which has the power to see solutions to most problems. This power MageMarksman: He is needed to enter a powerful caster, and navigate the Ouroboros labyrinth, which results in Amiti joining the party officially. Also, he is somehow able to communicate telepathically a passable shot with the sentient Sand Prince gem.a bow.
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* BarefootCartoonAnimal[=/=]DoesNotLikeShoes: As her character art makes plain. She can ''equip'' boots, but is never shown actually ''wearing'' them. How this works is anyone's guess.
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* AdaptedOut: InUniverse in the Sun Saga in ''Dark Dawn''. His critical role in Felix's quest is never even mentioned.
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* HealerSignsOnEarly: He is the main protagonist, and he has some rudimentary healing abilities that will tide you over until Mia joins and you start getting more Mercury Djinn.
* HealerSignsOnEarly: He is the main protagonist, and he has some rudimentary healing abilities that will tide you over until you start getting more Mercury Djinn.
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* {{Expy}}: She has more in common with Jenna despite not being her mother, being a HotBlooded ChildhoodFriend with Those Two Guys Matthew and Tyrell. Karis' design and weapon preferences could be inspired from her too. Justified that her family and Jenna are living in Kalay so she must have learned a thing or two from the latter as a child.
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* {{Expy}}: She has more in common with Jenna despite not being her mother, being a HotBlooded ChildhoodFriend with Those Two Guys ThoseTwoGuys Matthew and Tyrell. Karis' design and weapon preferences could be inspired from her too. Justified that her family and Jenna are living in Kalay so she must have learned a thing or two from the latter as a child.child.
* HealerSignsOnEarly: She joins you at the very start of your journey, and her Fresh Breeze Psynergy is the strongest healing ability you'll get until you start acquiring Mercury Djinn.
* HealerSignsOnEarly: She joins you at the very start of your journey, and her Fresh Breeze Psynergy is the strongest healing ability you'll get until you start acquiring Mercury Djinn.
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* {{BFS}}: Ragnarok summons one. Odyssey summons four, and then a fifth that goes {{Up to Eleven}}.
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* {{BFS}}: Ragnarok summons one. Odyssey summons four, and then a fifth that goes {{Up to Eleven}}.UpToEleven.
* DecoyProtagonist: Of the original duology overall. He is set up as the hero who must stop Alchemy to save the world, but ''The Lost Age'' reveals [[spoiler:the world will actually physically erode without Alchemy to sustain it, and Felix is the real hero]].
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* TheLancer: Becomes this to Felix after both of their teams joined. Isaac himself stated during the Reunion of Adepts that that he is only helping "Felix's quest".
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* MasterOfNone: Being a Mercury Adept and a warrior is a miserable combination. All of the classes he gains access to other than his base class are caster classes, so he can't pump out as much physical damage as Isaac, Garet, or Felix. His stats are specced towards brawling and he can't use the caster equipment, so he can't heal as fast or as long as Ivan, Mia, or Sheba. His base class only gets Ply Psynergy for single target healing, compared to Jenna's Aura, and she gets light blades to compensate for his long sword access, making him an inferior generalist to her.
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* NeverAcceptedInHisHometown: After him turning out NotQuiteDead and sided with [[WellIntentionedExtremist Saturos and Menardi]], the people of Vale showed a little respect to him. This is the opposite in Prox, where he is loved by the people, even [[spoiler:before saving the world AND their hometown.]] A Proxian NPC even wanted him as a son-in-law.
* PutOnABus: It is said in VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn that Felix has been missing for the past 30 years.
* PutOnABus: It is said in VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn that Felix has been missing for the past 30 years.
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* NeverAcceptedInHisHometown: After him turning out NotQuiteDead and sided with [[WellIntentionedExtremist Saturos and Menardi]], the people of Vale showed a little respect to him. This is the opposite in Prox, where he is loved by the people, even [[spoiler:before saving the world AND their hometown.]] A Proxian NPC even wanted wants him as a son-in-law.
* PutOnABus: It is said inVideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' that Felix has been missing for the past 30 years.
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* SuddenlySpeaking: Inverted and then played straight. He is perfectly chatty in ''Golden Sun'', but is nearly completely silent in ''The Lost Age''. A translation error has him randomly blurt out "Why?" in Shaman Village in the English version, and he gets a full spoken line in the epilogue.
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* MasterOfAll: Effectively this. Her only real failing is defensiveness- she's usually either the best or second best in every other field of use.
** To go into a bit more detail, since Sheba and Ivan are the best BlackMage characters and only have differences in their other stats, Jenna is second to them in terms of raw magical damage, though unlike them she also has a strong single-target DPS spell (Dragon Fume). Mia beats her in raw healing power but this is a series where it pays more to not take chances and heal reactively instead of proactively; with Mia, who is slow, you have to predict if you can survive the full next turn and get healed at the end, hoping no one has been felled, as opposed to Jenna, who can heal as a reaction starting the next turn instead of gambling with the person's life. Speaking of speed, Jenna is incredibly fast; she's no Sheba or Ivan, but those two are fragile by nature, and pretty much everyone else who isn't [[LightningBruiser Felix or Isaac]] are some degree of MightyGlacier (Piers, Garet) or SquishyWizard (Mia.) Being second to the two speedy mages is quite a feat. Jenna's luck is also one of the best in the game, she has some of the highest PP points, and her attack power, once again, is second only to Felix's. She also has innate access to a debuffing spell series that allows her to really pile on the hurt. In summation, Jenna may not be the best at ''everything,'' and may have a failing here or there, but she unquestionably is the most versatile party member in a series where versatility (and a high PP total) are the keys to success.
** To go into a bit more detail, since Sheba and Ivan are the best BlackMage characters and only have differences in their other stats, Jenna is second to them in terms of raw magical damage, though unlike them she also has a strong single-target DPS spell (Dragon Fume). Mia beats her in raw healing power but this is a series where it pays more to not take chances and heal reactively instead of proactively; with Mia, who is slow, you have to predict if you can survive the full next turn and get healed at the end, hoping no one has been felled, as opposed to Jenna, who can heal as a reaction starting the next turn instead of gambling with the person's life. Speaking of speed, Jenna is incredibly fast; she's no Sheba or Ivan, but those two are fragile by nature, and pretty much everyone else who isn't [[LightningBruiser Felix or Isaac]] are some degree of MightyGlacier (Piers, Garet) or SquishyWizard (Mia.) Being second to the two speedy mages is quite a feat. Jenna's luck is also one of the best in the game, she has some of the highest PP points, and her attack power, once again, is second only to Felix's. She also has innate access to a debuffing spell series that allows her to really pile on the hurt. In summation, Jenna may not be the best at ''everything,'' and may have a failing here or there, but she unquestionably is the most versatile party member in a series where versatility (and a high PP total) are the keys to success.
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* MasterOfAll: Effectively this. Her only real failing is defensiveness- she's usually either the best or second best in every other field of use.
**use. To go into a bit more detail, since Sheba and Ivan are the best BlackMage characters and only have differences in their other stats, Jenna is second to them in terms of raw magical damage, though unlike them she also has a strong single-target DPS spell (Dragon Fume). Mia beats her in raw healing power but this is a series where it pays more to not take chances and heal reactively instead of proactively; with Mia, who is slow, you have to predict if you can survive the full next turn and get healed at the end, hoping no one has been felled, as opposed to Jenna, who can heal as a reaction starting the next turn instead of gambling with the person's life. Speaking of speed, Jenna is incredibly fast; she's no Sheba or Ivan, but those two are fragile by nature, and pretty much everyone else who isn't [[LightningBruiser Felix or Isaac]] are some degree of MightyGlacier (Piers, Garet) or SquishyWizard (Mia.) (Mia). Being second to the two speedy mages is quite a feat. Jenna's luck is also one of the best in the game, she has some of the highest PP points, and her attack power, once again, is second only to Felix's. She also has innate access to a debuffing spell series that allows her to really pile on the hurt. In summation, Jenna may not be the best at ''everything,'' and may have a failing here or there, but she unquestionably is the most versatile party member in a series where versatility (and a high PP total) are the keys to success.
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* CarryABigStick: The main thing that distinguishes her from Ivan is having maces instead of light blades.
* TheChick: Of Felix's group. She's not as headstrong as Jenna and in general is more considerate of her friends' feelings.
* DarkSkinnedBlond: If her character art is of any indication.
* TheChick: Of Felix's group. She's not as headstrong as Jenna and in general is more considerate of her friends' feelings.
* DarkSkinnedBlond: If her character art is of any indication.
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* DoNotTauntCthulhu: Yes, Sheba, tell the obviously unstable sister of that woman who kidnapped you in the previous game that Isaac killed her sibling without prompting. That'll end well.
* DoNotTauntCthulhu: Yes, Sheba, tell the obviously unstable sister of that woman who kidnapped you in the previous game that Isaac killed her sibling without prompting. That'll end well.
* DoNotTauntCthulhu: Yes, Sheba, tell the obviously unstable sister of that woman who kidnapped you in the previous game that Isaac killed her sibling without prompting. That'll end well.
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* CarryABigStick: The main thing that distinguishes her from Ivan is having maces instead of light blades.
* TheChick: Of Felix's group. She's not as headstrong as Jenna and in general is more considerate of her friends' feelings.
* TheChick: Of Felix's group. She's not as headstrong as Jenna and in general is more considerate of her friends' feelings.
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* HappilyAdopted: She's only mildly disappointed not to learn where she came from. Her adopted folks are also very devoted to her, as shown in the first game.
** [[spoiler:Upon reaching Contigo, it is heavily implied that she is a direct descendent of the Anemos, an ancient Jupiter clan that rose their civilization into the air and now ''live on the Moon.'' And she supposedly ''fell down to Weyard'' from there...]]
* MagicStaff: What she usually ended up with. By the end game you can get a powerful one for her that suits her elemental alignment.
** [[spoiler:Upon reaching Contigo, it is heavily implied that she is a direct descendent of the Anemos, an ancient Jupiter clan that rose their civilization into the air and now ''live on the Moon.'' And she supposedly ''fell down to Weyard'' from there...]]
* MagicStaff: What she usually ended up with. By the end game you can get a powerful one for her that suits her elemental alignment.
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* HappilyAdopted: She's only mildly disappointed not to learn where she came from. Her adopted folks are also very devoted to her, as shown in the first game.
**game. [[spoiler:Upon reaching Contigo, it is heavily implied that she is a direct descendent descendant of the Anemos, an ancient Jupiter clan that rose their civilization into the air and now ''live on the Moon.'' And she supposedly ''fell down to Weyard'' from there...]]
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* TheBigGuy[=/=]TheSmartGuy: Which, of course, makes him a GeniusBruiser.
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* TheBigGuy[=/=]TheSmartGuy: Which, of course, makes TheBigGuy: He's your second melee bruiser. He's also pretty smart, making him a GeniusBruiser. GeniusBruiser.
* IronicName: A ''peer'' is someone in the same age and social category as oneself. Piers doesn't have any peers due to his [[VagueAge age]] [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld issues]].
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** IronicName: A ''peer'' is someone in the same age and social category as oneself. Piers doesn't have any peers due to his [[VagueAge age]] [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld issues]].
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: They look and act a lot like their parents from the original duology. The only real exception is Karis, who has a design that radically differs from her father's and takes the role of TheLancer from the Garet clone Tyrell.
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* DubNameChange: His Japanese name is ''Muuto''''Muuto''.
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* MagicKnight: Tyrell is primarily a physical fighter but he gains plenty of fire spells on his own and can even be reclassed for more practical ppsynergy.
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* DeadpanSnarker[=/=]MetaGuy : Probably the most rampant distributor of [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] in the entire game. And yet he's very mild-mannered and sweet about it.
* MetaGuy: Probably the most rampant distributor of [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] in the entire game. And yet he's very mild-mannered and sweet about it.
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* {{Adorkable}}: As a tot in The Lost Age. The Blinding Bangs and perpetually-confused expression hide a sneaky, resourceful, dangerous little boy.
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* AscendedExtra: Well, sort of - her parents turned up for the Gaia Rock bit of The Lost Age
* BlackMagicianGirl: Himi is both the first mage-style Venus Adept and the first playable female Venus Adept.
* DarkIsNotEvil: One of her exclusive class trees is called "Curse Mage", and focuses a lot on necromancy, poison, and curses. Despite this, though, she's just as heroic as the rest of the playable characters.
* BlackMagicianGirl: Himi is both the first mage-style Venus Adept and the first playable female Venus Adept.
* DarkIsNotEvil: One of her exclusive class trees is called "Curse Mage", and focuses a lot on necromancy, poison, and curses. Despite this, though, she's just as heroic as the rest of the playable characters.
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* AscendedExtra: Well, sort of - her parents turned up for the Gaia Rock bit of ''The Lost Age''.
* BlackMagicianGirl: Himi is both the first mage-style Venus Adept and the first playable female Venus Adept.
* DarkIsNotEvil: One of her exclusive class trees is called "Curse Mage", and focuses a lot on necromancy, poison, and curses. Despite this, though, she's just as heroic as the rest of the playable characters.
* BlackMagicianGirl: Himi is both the first mage-style Venus Adept and the first playable female Venus Adept.
* DarkIsNotEvil: One of her exclusive class trees is called "Curse Mage", and focuses a lot on necromancy, poison, and curses. Despite this, though, she's just as heroic as the rest of the playable characters.
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** Right after the Saturos boss fight, Alex comments on how quickly Isaac and Friends turned badass. After the Fusion Dragon fight, Felix says that Isaac's become so powerful it frightens him.
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* ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne: [[spoiler: There was a prophecy that Ivan would leave his village, then after many years, return to light the Jupiter lighthouse. To fulfill this prophecy, the villagers of Contigo gave baby Ivan over to Master Hammet. Ivan was raised in a foreign land, never knowing his family or why he had his powers. When he finally returned home, he learned that his mother died out of grief due to being forced to give him away as a child. To top it all off, his one surviving family member told him that he couldn't stay in Contigo because he hadn't completed the prophecy yet.]]
** It's even worse because [[spoiler: he's not even the ends up one who fulfilling the prophecy. He gives up his Shaman's Rod - the MacGuffin needed to access the lighthouse - to Felix at the end of the first game, and it's ''his'' party that end up entering and lighting Jupiter Lighthouse. Ivan was just a piece in a larger plan and basically got no glory or credit for his role in it.]]
** It's even worse because [[spoiler: he's not even the ends up one who fulfilling the prophecy. He gives up his Shaman's Rod - the MacGuffin needed to access the lighthouse - to Felix at the end of the first game, and it's ''his'' party that end up entering and lighting Jupiter Lighthouse. Ivan was just a piece in a larger plan and basically got no glory or credit for his role in it.]]
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* ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne: [[spoiler: There was a prophecy that Ivan would leave his village, then after many years, return to light the Jupiter lighthouse. To fulfill this prophecy, the villagers of Contigo gave baby Ivan over to Master Hammet. Ivan was raised in a foreign land, never knowing his family or why he had his powers. When he finally returned home, he learned that his mother died out of grief due to being forced to give him away as a child. To top it all off, his one surviving family member told tells him that he couldn't can't stay in Contigo because he hadn't hasn't completed the prophecy yet.]]
**]] It's even worse because [[spoiler: he's not even the ends up one who fulfilling the prophecy. He gives up his Shaman's Rod - the MacGuffin needed to access the lighthouse - to Felix at the end of the first game, and it's ''his'' party that end ends up entering and lighting Jupiter Lighthouse. Ivan was just a piece in a larger plan and basically got no glory or credit for his role in it.]]
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---> '''Mia:''' "What, is there a pharmacy down there?"
---> '''Babi:''' "Witty, aren't we?"
---> '''Garet:''' "Get it? Where is it?"
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* {{Adorkable}}: It doesn't show up often due to the events of the plot, but when you first control Felix there is this scene of him [[http://38.media.tumblr.com/99d90a29515ad380349515a6fd877f64/tumblr_nbqav3PUWC1rkljv1o1_400.gif checking his injuries by comically wagging his arms and legs]]. Said scene looks so awkward and out of place[[note]]Compared to his attitude in the first game[[/note]] it is rather cute.
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* ConvenientlyAnOrphan: All of them (including Kraden) lost at least one of their parents at some points in their lives [[spoiler:with the exception of Garet, though he almost lost his family during the Golden Sun event. They were actually safe.]]
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* ConvenientlyAnOrphan: All of them (including Kraden) lost at least one of their parents at some points in their lives [[spoiler:with the exception of Garet, though he almost lost loses his family during the Golden Sun event. They were are actually safe.safe, though.]]
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%%** "Robin" was a FanNickname for Matthew, the main character from ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' before he was officially named. Probably because fans weren't initially sure Matthew WAS a new and separate character, since he is [[StrongFamilyResemblance extremely similar]] to Isaac.
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* TookALevelInCynicism:See MiseryBuildsCharacter entry above.He becomes more short-tempered in ''The Lost Age'' after failing to rescue Kraden, Jenna, and Sheba, and [[spoiler:failing to save Babi]].
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* DumbMuscle: To an extent. He's the most belligerent character of the party and tends to act thoughtlessly (his first scenes include him crushing his sister's flower garden without realizing it). In addition, he seems to lack basic logic skills (being legitimately surprised to learn that Mia, who had been using water and healing Psynergy the first time they met, is in fact another Adept after going through the entire Mercury Lighthouse with help from her Psynergy.)
** As [[VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn the sequel]] illustrates though, he's less deliberate about it and has more common sense than his son, Tyrell.
* EstablishingCharacterMoment: "It's at times like these that we men have to stick together!" from the prologue establishes his closeness with Isaac.
** As [[VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn the sequel]] illustrates though, he's less deliberate about it and has more common sense than his son, Tyrell.
* EstablishingCharacterMoment: "It's at times like these that we men have to stick together!" from the prologue establishes his closeness with Isaac.
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* DumbMuscle: To an extent. He's the most belligerent character of the party and tends to act thoughtlessly (his first scenes include him crushing his sister's flower garden without realizing it). In addition, he seems to lack basic logic skills (being legitimately surprised to learn that Mia, who had been using water and healing Psynergy the first time they met, is in fact another Adept after going through the entire Mercury Lighthouse with help from her Psynergy.)
**) As [[VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn the sequel]] illustrates though, he's less deliberate about it and has more common sense than his son, Tyrell.
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* InformedFlaw: Gluttony, pretty much contained to {{Fanon}} as he denies it in game.
** In the first game's early setting, as Vale is seeing him and Isaac off, Garet's little brother, Aaron, quips that "he's a pig! He'll eat anything that's not tied down!"
** In the first game's early setting, as Vale is seeing him and Isaac off, Garet's little brother, Aaron, quips that "he's a pig! He'll eat anything that's not tied down!"
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* InformedFlaw: Gluttony, pretty much contained to {{Fanon}} as he denies it in game.
**In the first game's early setting, as Vale is seeing him and Isaac off, Garet's little brother, Aaron, quips that "he's a pig! He'll eat anything that's not tied down!"down!" Despite this, he never displays any serious gluttony in the games themselves.
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* VoiceForTheVoiceless: In ''Golden Sun'', he is the one who introduces Isaac in dialogue and speaks on his behalf.
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* TechnicolorEyes: Like her father and aunt, Karis has purple eyes to reflect her affinity for the wind.
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* AmbiguouslyAbsentParent: Nothing is ever mentioned about Tyrell's mother. Unlike Matthew there is no mention of her identity and unlike Karis nothing is ever said to indicate whether she has any presence in Tyrell's life.
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* [[spoiler:SelfMadeOrphan: ''Barely'' subverted at the end of ''The Lost Age''; he and the other Adepts are tricked into fighting his father and Felix and Jenna's parents after they are fused into a three-headed dragon, but the energy of Mars Lighthouse revives them and they all recover.]]
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* [[spoiler:SelfMadeOrphan: ''Barely'' SelfMadeOrphan: [[spoiler:''Barely'' subverted at the end of ''The Lost Age''; he and the other Adepts are tricked into fighting his father and Felix and Jenna's parents after they are fused into a three-headed dragon, but the energy of Mars Lighthouse revives them and they all recover.]]
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* PurpleEyes: Fitting his Jupiter alignment, which is associated with the color purple.
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* SpoiledSweet: Aside from his [[BlackAndWhiteMorality opinions on criminal justice]], he's very sweet and gentle.