This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Working Title: Word of Dante: From YKTTW
Cidolfas: I'm not sure I get what the difference is between this and Fanon. Is it just... very popular fanon?
Prfnoff: I don't see why the Prose Edda should be listed here. It seems to be an essential part of the surviving Canon of Norse Mythology. Sure, it has a fair number of contradictions with other canonical sources (particularly in the tale of Balder's death), but the notion that it is a Hijacked by Jesus bastardization is mistaken.
- Thanks to the Role Called and I Am Hero, Hear Me ROAR! tropes, a lot of people believe that Akazukin Chacha's Magic Warrior form is named Holy Up.
Nezumi: Personally, I'd always interpreted it as being "Magical Princess Holy Up", as just Magical Princess or Holy Up by itself is sort of a silly name for a Magic Warrior character; to be honest, Holy Up moreso. Apparently, this is also wrong, but it makes more sense to me.
Known Unknown: Aren't those Disney examples more Adaptation Decay than anything?
Pro-Mole: Now you mentioned, yes, they are, or at least some variation(Lost in Imitation, mostly). Taking them off.
- Disney in general does this quite a bit:
- Most people are surprised when they learn that the story The Little Mermaid is based on has her trade not only her voice, but her tongue to be human, suffer stabbing pain with every step she takes, lose to a competing girl, and kill herself at the end.
- This editor heard there were three endings. In one, she dies, in the second, she lives but gets the aforementioned stabby thing, and the third was a happy ending, written because the original two creeped out Andersen's daughter. I could be wrong though.
- Dies but gets a happy afterlife. Which is to say, mermaids normally have no afterlife at all, but she died via Heroic Sacrifice, and that plus some details make her an Air Spirit, who can earn her way to a soul and Heaven, hence a much better ending than living a full life as a mermaid and then ceasing to be.
- Similarly for Cinderella: one version of the story the movie portrays pretty accurately. The Brothers Grimm version, however, is a decent bit Darker and Edgier than the Disney version.
- Hercules in the myth goes insane due to Hera, kills his wife and kids, after atoning goes insane again and kills his wife and kids again, and after that his wife accidentally kills him horribly. Oh, and Hera was most definitely not his mom, nor are the Greek gods Crystal Dragon Jesus.
- In fact, his name isn't even Hercules, if you're talking about Hera in the same sentence. "Hera" and "Zeus" are Greek names; "Hercules" is a Roman name. The Greek is "Heracles".
- This Troper isn't quite sure why God Of War decided to change his name to Kratos and give him funky swords.
- The original Pinocchio has more adventures than just joining a puppet show, going to Pleasure Island, and saving Geppetto from the belly of a whale. Also, the cricket dies early on, and is not named Jiminy.
- The cricket doesn't just die. Pinocchio kills it.
- While Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs remains very faithful to the original, few people today realize that the poisoned apple was originally the last of three attempts on Snow White's life. Also, the dwarfs were nameless until Disney came along.
- There is also an earlier story called "Snow White and Rose Red", to which the more famous telling of Snow White is probably a Word of Dante.
- Try as you may, you won't find Gopher in the original Winnie The Pooh stories. He even admits it himself. ("I'm not in the book, but I'm at your service.")
- Most people are surprised when they learn that the story The Little Mermaid is based on has her trade not only her voice, but her tongue to be human, suffer stabbing pain with every step she takes, lose to a competing girl, and kill herself at the end.
Now, is it just me or this trope needs a cleanup or something? Either most examples aren't getting the trope right, or it Needs A Better Description.
Whogus The Whatsler: This is definitely a bit of a mess. It describes itself as being about things generally regarded as true about a fictional universe by the fans despite Canon not specifying one way or the other, then half of the examples are pieces of blatant fanon being perpetuated amongst a limited group of fans despite being clearly contradicted by Canon. This could be a good page, but it needs more legitimate entries and a ruthless cull of the illegitimate ones.
Pro-Mole: As far as I remember, Hermione is nicknamed Mione in the Brazilian edition. Is this still Word of Dante?
Lord Seth: Does Mario and Luigi's supposed status as being from Brooklyn count? I believe that the only source for this claim is from noncanonical sources (the cartoon series, the Choose Your Own Adventure books, and the movie). Yoshi's Island and Mario And Luigi: Partners In Time seem to indicate they were from the Mushroom Kingdom from the start.
Turcano: (Re cut-listing) Word of Dante is distinguished from Fanon in that it a) strictly applies to adaptations, b) has a much, much broader scope (i.e., it affects society in general and not just a fandom), c) affects how other writers/producers retell a story/adaptation, and d) can be traced to a specific source. It may need to be rewritten to reflect those differences and scrubbed of invalid examples, but not deleted.
Dragon Quest Z: Yeah, this is definitely a trope, for those reasons.
Charred Knight: As stated most examples need to be moved to fanon, but the stuff like the bible, and folk tales can stay.
Thatother 1 Dude: Agreed; this is a different trope it just needs cleanup. I thought it was the "from a definite source" part, then realized that it wasn't mentioned in the body of the actual article.
Madrugada: There's no "may need to be rewritten" about it. It does need to be rewritten to make all of those points crystal clear. Then scrub the examples. And then someone probably needs to adopt it and keep the clutter down.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Did rewriting. (I like this trope and don't want it to go anywhere.) Is my work acceptable?
That Other 1 Dude: Yes, both seems more in line with what was intended.
Firba1: Does The Elder Scrolls example count? That seems like Word of God to me.
