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23rd Jul '16 3:11:49 PM skteosk
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** Among the biggest Word of Dantes, used in authorized but non-canon reference books and the ExpandedUniverse, was that many of the major races such as Klingons and Romulans come from the rarely-mentioned-in-canon Beta Quadrant. Another is that, since several seasons are 26 episodes long and cover a fictional year, each episode covers two weeks. When the writers of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' indicated all the main races came from the Alpha Quadrant or had five episodes taking place over a month, many fans jumped on these as mistakes. It was finally made canon in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', making this an instance of AscendedFanon. (Given he also made Uhura's non-canon first name Nyota canon (and has admitted he didn't know it only came from the novels), Creator/JJAbrams seems to be mainly using fan sites for research.) This is thrown the other way in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', which reveals that the majority of the Federation systems (including Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Risa, Betazed, and even EARTH[[note]]Word of God-for-STO is that Sol is ''at'' the dividing line between the quadrants, it's just that the way the quadrants are implemented the system has to be in one quadrant or the other, so they went with Beta since that's where most of the other famous early Federation worlds are[[/note]]) are in the Beta Quadrant.

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** Among the biggest Word of Dantes, used in authorized but non-canon reference books and the ExpandedUniverse, was that many of the major races such as Klingons and Romulans come from the rarely-mentioned-in-canon Beta Quadrant. Another is that, since several seasons are 26 episodes long and cover a fictional year, each episode covers two weeks. When the writers of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' indicated all the main races came from the Alpha Quadrant or had five episodes taking place over a month, many fans jumped on these as mistakes. It was finally made canon in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', making this an instance of AscendedFanon. (Given he also made Uhura's non-canon first name Nyota canon (and has admitted he didn't know it only came from the novels), Creator/JJAbrams seems to be mainly using fan sites for research. Creator/SimonPegg has since stated that the new films are set in a universe that is a complete rewrite of the original canon from the big bang onwards, making its relevance to the canon of pre-2009 series unclear.) This is thrown the other way in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', which reveals that the majority of the Federation systems (including Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Risa, Betazed, and even EARTH[[note]]Word of God-for-STO is that Sol is ''at'' the dividing line between the quadrants, it's just that the way the quadrants are implemented the system has to be in one quadrant or the other, so they went with Beta since that's where most of the other famous early Federation worlds are[[/note]]) are in the Beta Quadrant.
14th Jul '16 9:06:56 AM TheBuddy26
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Not to be [[IThoughtItMeant confused with]] the words of [[Franchise/DevilMayCry Dante Sparda]][[note]] Or Creator/ReubenLangdon for that matter. [[/note]] or [[VideoGame/DantesInferno Alighieri]].

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Not to be [[IThoughtItMeant confused with]] the words of [[Franchise/DevilMayCry Dante Sparda]][[note]] Or Creator/ReubenLangdon for that matter. [[/note]] or the other [[VideoGame/DantesInferno Alighieri]].
14th Jul '16 9:06:03 AM TheBuddy26
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Not to be [[IThoughtItMeant confused with]] the words of [[Franchise/DevilMayCry Dante Sparda]][[note]] Or Creator/ReubenLangdon for that matter. [[/note]] or [[VideoGame/DantesInferno Alighieri]].
9th Jul '16 11:27:30 AM skteosk
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** Among the biggest Word of Dantes, used in authorized but non-canon reference books and the ExpandedUniverse, was that many of the major races such as Klingons and Romulans come from the rarely-mentioned-in-canon Beta Quadrant. When the writers of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' indicated all the main races came from the Alpha Quadrant or had five episodes taking place over a month, many fans jumped on these as mistakes. It was finally made canon in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', making this an instance of AscendedFanon. This is thrown the other way in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', which reveals that the majority of the Federation systems (including Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Risa, Betazed, and even EARTH[[note]]Word of God-for-STO is that Sol is ''at'' the dividing line between the quadrants, it's just that the way the quadrants are implemented the system has to be in one quadrant or the other, so they went with Beta since that's where most of the other famous early Federation worlds are[[/note]]) are in the Beta Quadrant.

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** Among the biggest Word of Dantes, used in authorized but non-canon reference books and the ExpandedUniverse, was that many of the major races such as Klingons and Romulans come from the rarely-mentioned-in-canon Beta Quadrant. Another is that, since several seasons are 26 episodes long and cover a fictional year, each episode covers two weeks. When the writers of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' indicated all the main races came from the Alpha Quadrant or had five episodes taking place over a month, many fans jumped on these as mistakes. It was finally made canon in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', making this an instance of AscendedFanon. (Given he also made Uhura's non-canon first name Nyota canon (and has admitted he didn't know it only came from the novels), Creator/JJAbrams seems to be mainly using fan sites for research.) This is thrown the other way in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', which reveals that the majority of the Federation systems (including Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Risa, Betazed, and even EARTH[[note]]Word of God-for-STO is that Sol is ''at'' the dividing line between the quadrants, it's just that the way the quadrants are implemented the system has to be in one quadrant or the other, so they went with Beta since that's where most of the other famous early Federation worlds are[[/note]]) are in the Beta Quadrant.


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** Reference books and novels during the early nineties insisted that Time Lords had no sex drive, were infertile and reproduced by a genetic racebank, even attempting to retcon away the fact that the Doctor was canonically a grandparent. This was largely blown away by the Doctor's romances in the TV Movie and especially the new series, despite a lot of older fans protesting "He doesn't do that!"
29th Jun '16 11:49:46 PM Spyspotter
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** In the Spanish-speaking fandom, it's pretty common to hear people calling the two factions of Team Plasma that emerged in ''VideoGame/{{Pokemon Black 2 and White 2}}'' as "Equipo Plasma Negro" (Black Team Plasma) and "Equipo Plasma Blanco" (White Team Plasma). They are never named like this in the games.
** The term "Legendary Dogs"- Entei, Raikou, and Suicune are the Legendary ''Beasts''. They're also called the "Legendary Cats", which is just as incorrect as calling them dogs.
** The Legendary Dogs were originally Jolteon, Flareon, and Vaporeon.
25th Jun '16 12:02:17 PM Hoven
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* For ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'', [[{{Fanon}} a Fanart or cosplay of the exact same character]] will differ so vastly from one interpretation to the next... but then, a world populated by small pixelated figures tends to leave a lot to the imagination. Especially when the same game also occasionally features [[Creator/YoshitakaAmano Amano's]] DarkerAndEdgier fairy-tale gothic designs of the same characters.
19th Jun '16 2:56:39 PM nombretomado
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** Probably the most widely accepted piece of fanon (even on this very wiki) is the idea that [[BigBad Palpatine]], [[TheThrawnTrilogy Thrawn]] (and sometimes even [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan]]) were actually {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s, uniting the galaxy under a single powerful rule to best prepare them for the arrival of an even more powerful foe, specifically [[Literature/NewJediOrder the Yuuzhan Vong]].

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** Probably the most widely accepted piece of fanon (even on this very wiki) is the idea that [[BigBad Palpatine]], [[TheThrawnTrilogy [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy Thrawn]] (and sometimes even [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan]]) were actually {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s, uniting the galaxy under a single powerful rule to best prepare them for the arrival of an even more powerful foe, specifically [[Literature/NewJediOrder the Yuuzhan Vong]].
9th Jun '16 1:51:34 PM LadyNorbert
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* Fans of ''Anime/FullmetalAlchemist'' will swear up an down that Envy's real name is [[spoiler:William Elric]] however it's never stated in an official source.

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* ** Fans of the 2003 ''Anime/FullmetalAlchemist'' will swear up an down that Envy's real name is [[spoiler:William Elric]] however Elric]]; however, it's never stated in an official source.source.
** It's generally accepted as canon that Roy Mustang refuses to make any moves while playing chess which would require him to sacrifice his queen (which is the piece to which he compares his devoted [[BodyguardCrush adjutant]], Lieutenant Hawkeye). There is no official verification of this, although it's certainly in keeping with his character.



** At no point in canon is it ever stated that Lamperouge (the last name Lelouch and Nunnaly take after faking their deaths) was Marianne's maiden name. Despite this you see this referenced at various times in fan works, including on this very wiki.

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** At no point in canon is it ever stated that Lamperouge (the last name Lelouch and Nunnaly take after faking their deaths) was Marianne's maiden name. Despite this this, you see this referenced at various times in fan works, including on this very wiki.



** It is also an absurdly common piece of fanon that [[spoiler: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Char]][[KnightOfCerebus lotte]] was a [[IllGirl cancer patient]].]] ([[AllThereInTheManual There is some official material that seemingly contradicts this]], but it's actually information about [[WhatCouldHaveBeen a prototype character]] [[WordOfSaintPaul which gives it dubious canonicity]].)

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** It is also an absurdly common piece of fanon that [[spoiler: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Char]][[KnightOfCerebus lotte]] was a [[IllGirl cancer patient]].]] ([[AllThereInTheManual There is some official material that seemingly contradicts this]], but it's actually information about [[WhatCouldHaveBeen a prototype character]] character]], [[WordOfSaintPaul which gives it dubious canonicity]].)



** It's assumed by the pirating crowd that Natsu and likely Gajeel are over 400 years old. Even if they were seen as children they couldn't pass through a barrier stopping people over 80, their ages are listed as unknown, and the 400-year-old Zeref recognized Natsu, so the theory is well supported. The only flaw, as anyone who actually buys the volumes might know, is that Mashima stated in a Q&A section that this is not the case. [[spoiler:The manga later confirms it's because the two were unknowing hosts for their dragon parents, who are presumably much older than 80]].

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** It's assumed by the pirating crowd that Natsu and likely Gajeel are over 400 years old. Even if they were seen as children children, they couldn't pass through a barrier stopping people over 80, their ages are listed as unknown, and the 400-year-old Zeref recognized Natsu, so the theory is well supported. The only flaw, as anyone who actually buys the volumes might know, is that Mashima stated in a Q&A section that this is not the case. [[spoiler:The manga later confirms it's because the two were unknowing hosts for their dragon parents, who are presumably much older than 80]].80.]]



* Stories about KingArthur have been told and retold to the point where this happens. T. H. White's ''Literature/TheOnceAndFutureKing'' is probably the best known these days, although most people are at least aware it's based on an older set of legends. Malory's ''Literature/LeMorteDarthur'' (or his ''Complete Works'') is usually the main "canon" but Malory makes no secret of drawing from other books... some of which scholars today can't identify for sure. And, even then, these books are following mostly off of Geoffrey of Monmouth's ''Literature/HistoryOfTheKingsOfBritain'' and the romances of Creator/ChretienDeTroyes and others, and not the often forgotten (and often missing) Welsh folktales... which may or may not predate the accounts of Roman historians from not long after the time that mention Arthur (confused especially since Gaius, who was present for this part of history, is the one person who never mentions Arthur).
* The ''Literature/{{Quran}}'' or Muhammad never said anything about martyrs receiving the company of 72 virgins in paradise. The idea was first written down by a commentator 200 years after the death of Muhammad. And some scholars now think the word he used meant "grapes", not virgins.

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* Stories about KingArthur have been told and retold to the point where this happens. T. H. White's ''Literature/TheOnceAndFutureKing'' is probably the best known these days, although most people are at least aware it's based on an older set of legends. Malory's ''Literature/LeMorteDarthur'' (or his ''Complete Works'') is usually the main "canon" but Malory makes no secret of drawing from other books... some of which scholars today can't identify for sure. And, even Even then, these books are following mostly off of Geoffrey of Monmouth's ''Literature/HistoryOfTheKingsOfBritain'' and the romances of Creator/ChretienDeTroyes and others, and not the often forgotten (and often missing) Welsh folktales... which may or may not predate the accounts of Roman historians from not long after the time that mention Arthur (confused (confusing especially since Gaius, who was present for this part of history, is the one person who never mentions Arthur).
* The Neither the ''Literature/{{Quran}}'' or nor Muhammad never ever said anything about martyrs receiving the company of 72 virgins in paradise. The idea was first written down by a commentator 200 years after the death of Muhammad. And some scholars now think the word he used meant "grapes", not virgins.



** In the spanish-speaking fandom, it's pretty common to hear people calling the two factions of Team Plasma that emerged in ''VideoGame/{{Pokemon Black 2 and White 2}}'' as "Equipo Plasma Negro" (Black Team Plasma) and "Equipo Plasma Blanco" (White Team Plasma). They are never named like this in the games.
** The term "Legendary Dogs"- Entei, Raikou, and Suicune are the Legendary ''Beasts''. Also called the "Legendary Cats", which is just as incorrect as calling them dogs.

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** In the spanish-speaking Spanish-speaking fandom, it's pretty common to hear people calling the two factions of Team Plasma that emerged in ''VideoGame/{{Pokemon Black 2 and White 2}}'' as "Equipo Plasma Negro" (Black Team Plasma) and "Equipo Plasma Blanco" (White Team Plasma). They are never named like this in the games.
** The term "Legendary Dogs"- Entei, Raikou, and Suicune are the Legendary ''Beasts''. Also They're also called the "Legendary Cats", which is just as incorrect as calling them dogs.



* The out-of-game writings by former developer Michael Kirkbride count as this. However, since some of them either might be subsequently quoted or used as a mythopoeic basis for the games, the line between WordOfGod and WordOfDante is blurred concerning his writings.

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* The out-of-game writings by former developer Michael Kirkbride count as this. However, since some of them either might be subsequently quoted or used as a mythopoeic [[{{Mythopoeia}} mythopoeic]] basis for the games, the line between WordOfGod and WordOfDante is blurred concerning his writings.



** Rosalina being a princess isn't canon however fans overwhelmingly consider her one. No game has her listed as "Princess Rosalina" but Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina are considered the princess PowerTrio.

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** Rosalina being a princess isn't canon however canon; however, fans overwhelmingly consider her one. No game has her listed as "Princess Rosalina" Rosalina," but Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina are considered the princess PowerTrio.



* Just listing the amount of examples caused by Matthew Patrick's ''[[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]]'' would take up a section of its own. Anything [[GameTheory MatPat]] says is regarded as canon by a large number of a games' fandom, even if his theory isn't serious or it has multiple errors. For example, many fans unironically think Peach from ''Super Mario Bros'' is Rosalina's mother despite the fact there isn't anything to suggest this and Rosalina is older than Peach.

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* Just listing the amount of examples caused by Matthew Patrick's ''[[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]]'' would take up a section of its own. Anything [[GameTheory MatPat]] says is regarded as canon by a large number of a games' fandom, even if his theory isn't serious or it has multiple errors. For example, many fans unironically think Peach from ''Super Mario Bros'' is Rosalina's mother mother, despite the fact facts that there isn't anything to suggest this and that Rosalina is older ''older'' than Peach.



** "Presto" being short for Preston. This one is probably because of elegance -- making a double meaning, making the nickname a LineOfSightName, and explaining why ''everyone'' uses it when names are used in true {{canon}}. The main reminder that this ''isn't'' canon is there still being disagreement on whether Preston is a given name or surname...

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** "Presto" being short for Preston. This one is probably because of elegance -- making a double meaning, making the nickname a LineOfSightName, and explaining why ''everyone'' uses it when names are used in true {{canon}}. The main reminder that this ''isn't'' canon is there still being disagreement on whether Preston is a given name or surname...



* Charlotte's parents from ''WesternAnimation/MakingFiends'' are never confirmed dead however fans are certain they are. It's left vague if Charlotte's grandmother is lying about them being astronauts or not.

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* Charlotte's parents from ''WesternAnimation/MakingFiends'' are never confirmed dead however dead; however, fans are certain they are. It's left vague if Charlotte's grandmother is lying about them being astronauts or not.
2nd Jun '16 5:01:23 AM FordPrefect
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** All of this is addressed, in a well-written and fun-to-read story, in [[Creator/JosephineTey Josephine Tey's]] ''Literature/TheDaughterOfTime.'' (But, whatever you do, don't take her word for it, either).

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** All of this is addressed, in a well-written and fun-to-read story, in [[Creator/JosephineTey Josephine Tey's]] ''Literature/TheDaughterOfTime.'' (But, whatever you do, don't take her word for it, either).either.)
2nd Jun '16 4:59:23 AM FordPrefect
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** While the phrase "separation of church and state" (and variations thereof) is always cited in discussions of the First Amendment, it derives from UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson's description of the intent behind the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches the First Amendment's Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses]][[note]]The former clause prohibits the US government from establishing a religion, endorsing religion, or creating a state church, while the latter prohibits it from restricting the free exercise of religion.[[/note]] in a letter to the Danbury Baptists. The phrase has since been cited in Supreme Court rulings and thus become valid legal precedent, but it is nowhere in the original text of the First Amendment.

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** While the phrase "separation of church and state" (and variations thereof) is always cited in discussions of the First Amendment, it derives from UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson's description of the intent behind the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches the First Amendment's Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses]][[note]]The former clause prohibits the US government from establishing a religion, endorsing religion, or creating a state church, while the latter prohibits it from restricting the free exercise of religion.[[/note]] in a letter to the Danbury Baptists. The phrase has since been cited in Supreme Court rulings and thus become valid legal precedent, but it is nowhere in the original text of the First Amendment.
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