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13th Sep '16 2:47:40 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ''Franchise/KamenRider'' fans will occasionally invent names for forms and techniques to fill in gaps left behind in official information. One such example: fans tend to refer to the base forms of ''Series/KamenRiderBlade''[='s=] Riders as "Ace Form", following the show's playing card theme (especially since the MidSeasonUpgrade and SuperMode are named Jack and King Form, respectively). However, Japanese sources actually use the term "Normal Form" (通常形態, ''Tsuujou Keitai''), which is the name given to any Rider whose primary form doesn't have its own distinct name, like [[Series/KamenRiderRyuki Ryuki]], [[Series/KamenRider555 Faiz]], and [[Series/KamenRiderHibiki Hibiki]].

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will occasionally invent names for forms and techniques to fill in gaps left behind in official information. One such example: fans tend to refer to the base forms of ''Series/KamenRiderBlade''[='s=] Riders as "Ace Form", following the show's playing card theme (especially since the MidSeasonUpgrade and SuperMode are named Jack and King Form, respectively). However, Japanese sources actually use the term "Normal Form" (通常形態, ''Tsuujou Keitai''), which is the name given to any Rider whose primary form doesn't have its own distinct name, like [[Series/KamenRiderRyuki Ryuki]], [[Series/KamenRider555 Faiz]], and [[Series/KamenRiderHibiki Hibiki]].
12th Sep '16 11:31:49 PM LinTaylor
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* Like many fandoms, ''Franchise/KamenRider'' fans will occasionally invent names for forms and techniques to fill in gaps left behind in official information. One such example: fans tend to refer to the base forms of ''Series/KamenRiderBlade''[='s=] Riders as "Ace Form", following the show's playing card theme (especially since the MidSeasonUpgrade and SuperMode are named Jack and King Form, respectively). However, Japanese sources actually use the term "Normal Form" (通常形態, ''Tsuujou Keitai''), which is the name given to any Rider whose primary form doesn't have its own distinct name, like [[Series/KamenRiderRyuki Ryuki]], [[Series/KamenRider555 Faiz]], and [[Series/KamenRiderHibiki Hibiki]].

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* Like many fandoms, ''Franchise/KamenRider'' fans will occasionally invent names for forms and techniques to fill in gaps left behind in official information. One such example: fans tend to refer to the base forms of ''Series/KamenRiderBlade''[='s=] Riders as "Ace Form", following the show's playing card theme (especially since the MidSeasonUpgrade and SuperMode are named Jack and King Form, respectively). However, Japanese sources actually use the term "Normal Form" (通常形態, ''Tsuujou Keitai''), which is the name given to any Rider whose primary form doesn't have its own distinct name, like [[Series/KamenRiderRyuki Ryuki]], [[Series/KamenRider555 Faiz]], and [[Series/KamenRiderHibiki Hibiki]].Hibiki]].
** Another example is how many Western ''Rider'' fans have adopted the term "Neo-Heisei" to refer to the post-''Series/KamenRiderDecade'' era of the franchise. Japanese Wikipedia uses the terms "First Era" and "Second Era", which are occasionally used by Western fans (usually those who despise the phrase "Neo-Heisei"), though most don't even bother splitting the Heisei Era up in the first place.
12th Sep '16 11:22:08 PM LinTaylor
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* Like many fandoms, ''Franchise/KamenRider'' fans will occasionally invent names for forms and techniques to fill in gaps left behind in official information. One such example: fans tend to refer to the base forms of ''Series/KamenRiderBlade''[='s=] Riders as "Ace Form", following the show's playing card theme (especially since the MidSeasonUpgrade and SuperMode are named Jack and King Form, respectively). However, Japanese sources actually use the term "Normal Form" (通常形態, ''Tsuujou Keitai''), which is the name given to any Rider whose primary form doesn't have its own distinct name, like [[Series/KamenRiderRyuki Ryuki]], [[Series/KamenRider555 Faiz]], and [[Series/KamenRiderHibiki Hibiki]].
30th Aug '16 4:54:10 AM LondonKdS
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** A BigNameFan named Jean-Marc Lofficier wrote some reference books in the eighties and nineties, which had quasi-official status through being published by Target, who also did the ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. Although the real-world information about the series was mostly reliable, much of the UniverseConcordance material included consisted of extremely speculative extrapolations from canon or pure fanfic, without any disclaimer being put in. It's still possible to find older Who fans quoting some of this stuff as canon.

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** A BigNameFan named Jean-Marc Lofficier wrote some reference books in the eighties and nineties, which had quasi-official status through being published by Target, who also did the ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. Although the real-world information about the series was mostly reliable, much of the UniverseConcordance material included consisted of [[FanWank extremely speculative speculative]] extrapolations from canon or pure fanfic, without any disclaimer being put in. It's still possible to find older Who fans quoting some of this stuff as canon.
22nd Aug '16 2:10:38 PM lvb1
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Why does it matter? Because ''everyone'' thinks the Word of Dante applies to the original work, and so it gets mixed into future adaptations and popular allusions. It can even overrule original canon (if that isn't known as much as it's known of) or Word of God. Take our TropeNamer: if it weren't for DanteAlighieri and Literature/TheDivineComedy, later writers wouldn't speak of hell having circles with specific [[{{Karma}} Karmic Punishments]]. Hell is depicted in broad strokes in Literature/TheBible. A place of darkness and wailing and gnashing of teeth, a lake of fire -- that's really as specific as it gets. That there are specific places in Hell to send the unchaste, the literal infidels, and the betrayers is all Dante's idea.[[note]]Although Dante's work is highly influential in Western Culture, it should be noticed that [[{{Irony}} no branch of Christianity considers it canonical]] at all[[/note]]

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Why does it matter? Because ''everyone'' thinks the Word of Dante applies to the original work, and so it gets mixed into future adaptations and popular allusions. It can even overrule original canon (if that isn't known as much as it's known of) or Word of God. Take our TropeNamer: if it weren't for DanteAlighieri Creator/DanteAlighieri and Literature/TheDivineComedy, later writers wouldn't speak of hell having circles with specific [[{{Karma}} Karmic Punishments]]. Hell is depicted in broad strokes in Literature/TheBible. A place of darkness and wailing and gnashing of teeth, a lake of fire -- that's really as specific as it gets. That there are specific places in Hell to send the unchaste, the literal infidels, and the betrayers is all Dante's idea.[[note]]Although Dante's work is highly influential in Western Culture, it should be noticed that [[{{Irony}} no branch of Christianity considers it canonical]] at all[[/note]]
22nd Aug '16 1:24:05 PM lvb1
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Why does it matter? Because ''everyone'' thinks the Word of Dante applies to the original work, and so it gets mixed into future adaptations and popular allusions. It can even overrule original canon (if that isn't known as much as it's known of) or Word of God. Take our TropeNamer: if it weren't for [[Literature/TheDivineComedy Dante Alighieri]], later writers wouldn't speak of hell having circles with specific [[{{Karma}} Karmic Punishments]]. Hell is depicted in broad strokes in Literature/TheBible. A place of darkness and wailing and gnashing of teeth, a lake of fire -- that's really as specific as it gets. That there are specific places in Hell to send the unchaste, the literal infidels, and the betrayers is all Dante's idea.[[note]]Although Dante's work is highly influential in Western Culture, it should be noticed that [[{{Irony}} no branch of Christianity considers it canonical]] at all[[/note]]

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Why does it matter? Because ''everyone'' thinks the Word of Dante applies to the original work, and so it gets mixed into future adaptations and popular allusions. It can even overrule original canon (if that isn't known as much as it's known of) or Word of God. Take our TropeNamer: if it weren't for [[Literature/TheDivineComedy Dante Alighieri]], DanteAlighieri and Literature/TheDivineComedy, later writers wouldn't speak of hell having circles with specific [[{{Karma}} Karmic Punishments]]. Hell is depicted in broad strokes in Literature/TheBible. A place of darkness and wailing and gnashing of teeth, a lake of fire -- that's really as specific as it gets. That there are specific places in Hell to send the unchaste, the literal infidels, and the betrayers is all Dante's idea.[[note]]Although Dante's work is highly influential in Western Culture, it should be noticed that [[{{Irony}} no branch of Christianity considers it canonical]] at all[[/note]]
19th Aug '16 5:27:19 AM 06tele
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** When old Bill was alive it's uncertain if he ever officially sanctioned any publication of his works. Printed versions from the time vary wildly in quality: the first quarto edition of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' is widely considered to be a garbled bootleg[[note]]Here's the first few lines of the play's most famous speech, as printed in Q1: "To be, or not to be, I there's the point, / To Die, to sleepe, is that all? I all: / No, to sleepe, to dreame, I mary there it goes, / For in that dreame of death, when wee awake, / And borne before an euerlasting Iudge, / From whence no passenger euer retur'nd, / The vndiscouered country, at whose sight / The happy smile, and the accursed damn'd."[[/note]] whereas the second quarto is much more coherent. The WordOfStPaul version of his plays is the First Folio, a collection put together in 1623 by some actor pals in The King's Men. By the 1800s, editors had begun to assemble their own editions by cutting and pasting together what they regarded as probably the most authentic bits from the good quartos and the Folio, and this is still done with most editions for school or professional use (e.g. the Penguin edition.) -- these are the WordOfDante versions. Basically, scholars have been in an echo chamber for two centuries, debating what can be considered "authentic" Shakes. Today, some editions of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and ''Theatre/KingLear'' include different versions of the play, leaving it entirely up to readers to decide their own version to use.[[note]]This situation is averted with a number of plays which were printed for the first time in the First Folio, which means that there's no dispute about which text is likely to be more authentic: the OtherWiki has a full list [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Folio here.]][[/note]]

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** When old Bill was alive it's uncertain if he ever officially sanctioned any publication of his works. Printed versions from the time vary wildly in quality: the first quarto edition of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' is widely considered to be a garbled bootleg[[note]]Here's the first few lines of the play's most famous speech, as printed in Q1: "To be, or not to be, I there's the point, / To Die, to sleepe, is that all? I all: / No, to sleepe, to dreame, I mary there it goes, / For in that dreame of death, when wee awake, / And borne before an euerlasting Iudge, / From whence no passenger euer retur'nd, / The vndiscouered country, at whose sight / The happy smile, and the accursed damn'd."[[/note]] whereas the second quarto is much more coherent. The WordOfStPaul version of his plays is the First Folio, a collection put together in 1623 by some actor pals in The King's Men. By the 1800s, editors had begun to assemble their own editions by cutting and pasting together what they regarded as probably the most authentic bits from the good quartos and the Folio, and this is still done with most editions for school or professional use (e.g. the Penguin edition.) edition) -- these are the WordOfDante versions. Basically, scholars have been in an echo chamber for two centuries, debating what can be considered "authentic" Shakes. Today, some editions of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and ''Theatre/KingLear'' include different versions of the play, leaving it entirely up to readers to decide their own version to use.[[note]]This situation is averted with a number [[note]]The extent to which early Shakespeare editions differ textually from each other can be overstated: there are only "bad quarto" versions of four plays, and of the 36 plays which were printed for the first time in the First Folio, which means that there's no dispute about which text is likely to be more authentic: 18 had never been printed before: the OtherWiki has a full list [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Folio here.]][[/note]]
19th Aug '16 5:12:52 AM 06tele
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* This is the case with the editorials of Creator/WilliamShakespeare's works since the 1800s.
** When old Bill was alive it's uncertain if he ever officially sanctioned any publication of his works, most printed versions from the time being shabby bootlegs. Contemporary versions of The Bard's plays rely heavily on the WordOfStPaul through the First Folio, a collection of his plays put together in 1623 by some actor pals in The King's Men. By the 1800s editors had begun to use what they considered 'good' versions of the bootlegs, which they figured were part of the WordOfGod. Since then, scholars have been in an echo chamber debating what can be considered "authentic" Shakes. Today, some publications of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and ''Theatre/KingLear'' have decided to include different versions and leave it entirely up to readers to decide their own WordOfDante version to use. Since the Swan of Avon didn't have a Xerox to print off an official copy, basically any version of his plays that claim to be the real [=McCoy=] are actually just ascended {{Fanon}} that gets a stamp of approval from academics.

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* This is has been the case with the editorials most editions of Creator/WilliamShakespeare's works since the 1800s.
** When old Bill was alive it's uncertain if he ever officially sanctioned any publication of his works, most printed works. Printed versions from the time being shabby bootlegs. Contemporary versions vary wildly in quality: the first quarto edition of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' is widely considered to be a garbled bootleg[[note]]Here's the first few lines of the play's most famous speech, as printed in Q1: "To be, or not to be, I there's the point, / To Die, to sleepe, is that all? I all: / No, to sleepe, to dreame, I mary there it goes, / For in that dreame of death, when wee awake, / And borne before an euerlasting Iudge, / From whence no passenger euer retur'nd, / The Bard's plays rely heavily on vndiscouered country, at whose sight / The happy smile, and the accursed damn'd."[[/note]] whereas the second quarto is much more coherent. The WordOfStPaul through version of his plays is the First Folio, a collection of his plays put together in 1623 by some actor pals in The King's Men. By the 1800s 1800s, editors had begun to use assemble their own editions by cutting and pasting together what they considered 'good' versions of regarded as probably the bootlegs, which they figured were part of most authentic bits from the WordOfGod. Since then, good quartos and the Folio, and this is still done with most editions for school or professional use (e.g. the Penguin edition.) -- these are the WordOfDante versions. Basically, scholars have been in an echo chamber for two centuries, debating what can be considered "authentic" Shakes. Today, some publications editions of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and ''Theatre/KingLear'' have decided to include different versions and leave of the play, leaving it entirely up to readers to decide their own WordOfDante version to use. Since the Swan use.[[note]]This situation is averted with a number of Avon didn't have a Xerox to print off an official copy, basically any version of his plays which were printed for the first time in the First Folio, which means that claim there's no dispute about which text is likely to be more authentic: the real [=McCoy=] are actually just ascended {{Fanon}} that gets OtherWiki has a stamp of approval from academics.full list [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Folio here.]][[/note]]
11th Aug '16 8:13:00 AM MadSpy
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** The only Biblical mention of "{{Lilith}}" is in Isaiah 34:14, where it's not even clear that it refers to a person; it's a ''plural'' noun and has variously been translated as "owls" or "demons." It's used a few times in the Talmud, but never as a mysterious "first wife of Adam"--that actually comes from a mideval book called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_of_Sirach the Alphabet of ben Sirach]], which is [[PoesLaw generally interpreted as some kind of vulgar parody]] (the whole "who's on top?" issue is only one of its lewd topics).

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** The only Biblical mention of "{{Lilith}}" is in Isaiah 34:14, where it's not even clear that it refers to a person; it's a ''plural'' noun and has variously been translated as "owls" or "demons." It's used a few times in the Talmud, but never as a mysterious "first wife of Adam"--that actually comes from a mideval medieval book called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_of_Sirach the Alphabet of ben Sirach]], which is [[PoesLaw generally interpreted as some kind of vulgar parody]] (the whole "who's on top?" issue is only one of its lewd topics).
11th Aug '16 8:04:57 AM MadSpy
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* Much ''Series/TheManfromUNCLE'' fanon (THRUSH being formed by the remnants of Moriarty's organisation, Solo being Waverly's designated successor, "the Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and Subjugation of Humanity", the Ultimate Computer, etc.) derives from David McDaniel's entries in the Ace Books series of UNCLE novels.

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* Much ''Series/TheManfromUNCLE'' ''Series/TheManFromUNCLE'' fanon (THRUSH being formed by the remnants of Moriarty's organisation, Solo being Waverly's designated successor, "the Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and Subjugation of Humanity", the Ultimate Computer, etc.) derives from David McDaniel's [=McDaniel=]'s entries in the Ace Books series of UNCLE novels.
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