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19th Mar '17 5:15:30 PM Pinokio
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* An unpublished story by Steve Gerber would have established the ''Comicbook/HowardTheDuck'' stories not written by Steve Gerber as techno-art by the Krylorian Chireep, depicting an alternate reality version of Howard the Duck. The unofficial crossover in ''Spider-Man Team-Up'' #5 and ''Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck'' suggests Howard's further appearances are depicting Howard's clone replacement. Marvel has not confirmed either story as canon, and Steve Gerber's ''Howard the Duck'' Volume 3 treats Howard as the original.
16th Mar '17 7:18:20 PM nombretomado
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* In addition to the above quote, Creator/LittleKuriboh mentioned in his commentary for ''[[WebVideo/NarutoTheAbridgedComedyFandubSpoofSeriesShow SPOOF MOVIE NO JUTSU!~]]'' that a passing joke he made in that video turned into a rumour that [[NarutoTheAbridgedSeries Masako and Vetega]] went to Six Flags when they were supposed to be making their version of the first ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' movie.

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* In addition to the above quote, Creator/LittleKuriboh mentioned in his commentary for ''[[WebVideo/NarutoTheAbridgedComedyFandubSpoofSeriesShow SPOOF MOVIE NO JUTSU!~]]'' that a passing joke he made in that video turned into a rumour that [[NarutoTheAbridgedSeries [[WebVideo/NarutoTheAbridgedSeries Masako and Vetega]] went to Six Flags when they were supposed to be making their version of the first ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' movie.
16th Mar '17 7:11:47 PM nombretomado
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* In addition to the above quote, Creator/LittleKuriboh mentioned in his commentary for ''[[NarutoTheAbridgedComedyFandubSpoofSeriesShow SPOOF MOVIE NO JUTSU!~]]'' that a passing joke he made in that video turned into a rumour that [[NarutoTheAbridgedSeries Masako and Vetega]] went to Six Flags when they were supposed to be making their version of the first ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' movie.

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* In addition to the above quote, Creator/LittleKuriboh mentioned in his commentary for ''[[NarutoTheAbridgedComedyFandubSpoofSeriesShow ''[[WebVideo/NarutoTheAbridgedComedyFandubSpoofSeriesShow SPOOF MOVIE NO JUTSU!~]]'' that a passing joke he made in that video turned into a rumour that [[NarutoTheAbridgedSeries Masako and Vetega]] went to Six Flags when they were supposed to be making their version of the first ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' movie.
9th Mar '17 7:16:38 AM Madrugada
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* In a two party political system, the belief that the opposing party wants to stop your party's agenda because they don't like you or want to harm the country. In reality, the majority of the opposition just thinks your idea is bad and are saying the same things about you for proposing it.
2nd Mar '17 8:55:53 AM X2X
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** In [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI the original]] ''Final Fantasy'', the White Wizard was either a male or a {{Bifauxnen}}, with the latter being more widely believed. However, since most healers in the series since have [[WhiteMagicianGirl tended to be female]], and ''8-Bit Theater'' had White Mage as a female, most fans assume the original NES White Mage is also a female. The developers seem to [[AscendedFanon have gone with this]], since in the remakes the White Mage's higher-resolution sprites are female or otherwise androgynous, and the games that suggest names for the party members pick mostly female names for the White Mage. In addition, Square-Enix-developed ''Mario Hoops 3-On-3'' and ''Mario Sports Mix'', in which White Mage is a playable character and is [[http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/5/50/M3on3-whitemage.png undeniably female]].

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** In [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI the original]] ''Final Fantasy'', the White Wizard was either a male or a {{Bifauxnen}}, with the latter being more widely believed. However, since most healers in the series since have [[WhiteMagicianGirl tended to be female]], and ''8-Bit Theater'' had White Mage as a female, most fans assume the original NES White Mage is also a female. The developers seem to [[AscendedFanon have gone with this]], since in the remakes the White Mage's higher-resolution sprites are female or otherwise androgynous, and the games that suggest names for the party members pick mostly female names for the White Mage. In addition, Square-Enix-developed Creator/SquareEnix developed ''Mario Hoops 3-On-3'' 3-on-3'' and ''Mario Sports Mix'', ''VideoGame/MarioSportsMix'', in which White Mage is a playable character and is [[http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/5/50/M3on3-whitemage.png undeniably female]].female.]]



** People who found ''VideoGame/MegaManClassic'' through ''Webcomic/BobAndGeorge'' are often confused by the fan-character "Ran", usually asking which game he came from. A lot of this has to do with the fact that, for a while, Ran's creator let just about anyone who asked use the character, meaning he showed up ''everywhere''. This (and the very large sprite-sheet leading to him having as many or more poses as game characters) led people to believe so ubiquitous a character ''must'' have come from the games.

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** People who found ''VideoGame/MegaManClassic'' through ''Webcomic/BobAndGeorge'' are often confused by the fan-character "Ran", "Ran," usually asking which game he came from. A lot of this has to do with the fact that, for a while, Ran's creator let just about anyone who asked use the character, meaning he showed up ''everywhere''. This (and the very large sprite-sheet leading to him having as many or more poses as game characters) led people to believe so ubiquitous a character ''must'' have come from the games.



** [[TheChrisCarterEffect thanks to the thousands of loose threads the franchise has]], newer/more casual fans swear on their life that Zero killed off the classic characters before being sealed again for a hundred years. There were certainly hints in that direction, but WordOfGod (from Keiji "Inafking" Inafune) is that it never happened -- and anyway, [[FridgeLogic who could have sealed Zero if the whole cast was dead?]] ''Webcomic/BobAndGeorge'' bears some responsibility for this one too, as Zero ''is'' supposed to kill everybody in its storyline; the term the comic used for this event, the Cataclysm, is now universal.
* For ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'', [[{{Fanon}} a Fanart or cosplay of the exact same character]] will differ so vastly from one interpretation to the next... but then, a world populated by small pixelated figures tends to leave a lot to the imagination. Especially when the same game also occasionally features [[Creator/YoshitakaAmano Amano's]] DarkerAndEdgier fairy-tale gothic designs of the same characters.

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** [[TheChrisCarterEffect thanks Thanks to the thousands of loose threads the franchise has]], newer/more casual fans swear on their life that Zero [[VideoGame/MegaManX Zero]] killed off the classic Classic characters before being sealed again for a hundred years. There were certainly hints in that direction, but WordOfGod (from [[Creator/KeijiInafune Keiji "Inafking" Inafune) Inafune]]) is that it never happened -- and anyway, [[FridgeLogic who could have sealed Zero if the whole cast was dead?]] ''Webcomic/BobAndGeorge'' bears some responsibility for this one too, as Zero ''is'' supposed to kill everybody in its storyline; the term the comic used for this event, the Cataclysm, is now universal.
* For ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'', [[{{Fanon}} a Fanart fan art or cosplay of the exact same character]] will differ so vastly from one interpretation to the next... but then, a world populated by small pixelated figures tends to leave a lot to the imagination. Especially when the same game also occasionally features [[Creator/YoshitakaAmano Amano's]] DarkerAndEdgier fairy-tale gothic designs of the same characters.



** Any prominent Magikoopa in the Mario series is assumed to be Kamek. It doesn't help that Kamek is Magikoopa's Japanese name. The same issue happens with Toads that have red spots on their hats being assumed to be ''the'' Toad, and green Yoshis being ''the'' [[ADogNamedDog Yoshi]].

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** Any prominent Magikoopa in the Mario ''Mario'' series is assumed to be Kamek. It doesn't help that Kamek is Magikoopa's Japanese name. The same issue happens with Toads that have red spots on their hats being assumed to be ''the'' Toad, and green Yoshis being ''the'' [[ADogNamedDog Yoshi]].



** Bowser's ex-wife, Clawdia Koopa, is a fan-creation from a popular fansite. Over time she has been mistaken for a semi-official character that was mentioned in a (nonexistent) magazine.
** Daisy and Peach are frequently depicted as cousins in fanworks however officially they are just best friends. This concept comes from a Prima Strategy Guide mentioning them being cousins.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' fandom is quite [[BerserkButton pissed]] at the idea that [[spoiler:Yami's]] different forms represent mankind's destructive nature. This wouldn't be too much of a problem if it wasn't a theory by LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}} that dozens of people accepted as canonical. The Okami wiki even has a [[http://okami.wikia.com/wiki/Yami notice]] on [[spoiler:Yami]]'s page warning that anyone who tries to post any theories about what his forms represent will be banned, and that "just because Chuggaaconroy mentioned the definitions of [[spoiler:Yami]]'s forms does not make him a reliable source."
* Just listing the amount of examples caused by Matthew Patrick's ''[[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]]'' would take up a section of its own. Anything [[GameTheory MatPat]] says is regarded as canonical by a large number of a games' fandom, even if his theory isn't serious or it has multiple errors. For example, many fans unironically think Peach from ''Super Mario Bros'' is Rosalina's mother, despite the facts that there isn't anything to suggest this and that Rosalina is ''older'' than Peach.

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** Bowser's ex-wife, Clawdia Koopa, is a fan-creation fan creation from a popular fansite. Over time she has been mistaken for a semi-official character that was mentioned in a (nonexistent) magazine.
** Daisy and Peach are frequently depicted as cousins in fanworks however officially fan works; officially, however, they are just best friends. This concept comes from a Prima Strategy Guide mentioning them being cousins.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' fandom is quite [[BerserkButton pissed]] at the idea that [[spoiler:Yami's]] different forms represent mankind's destructive nature. This wouldn't be too much of a problem if it wasn't a theory by LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}} that dozens of people accepted as canonical. The Okami wiki Wiki even has a [[http://okami.wikia.com/wiki/Yami notice]] on [[spoiler:Yami]]'s page warning that anyone who tries to post any theories about what his forms represent will be banned, and that "just because Chuggaaconroy mentioned the definitions of [[spoiler:Yami]]'s forms does not make him a reliable source."
* Just listing the amount of examples caused by Matthew Patrick's ''[[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]]'' would take up a section of its own. Anything [[GameTheory MatPat]] [=MatPat=] says is regarded as canonical by a large number of a games' fandom, even if his theory isn't serious or it has [[CriticalResearchFailure/GameTheoryWebShow multiple errors. errors]]. For example, many fans unironically think Peach from ''Super Mario Bros'' ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' is Rosalina's [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina's]] mother, despite the facts that there isn't anything to suggest this and that Rosalina is ''older'' than Peach.



* ''MSFHigh'' suffers from this at times. Since the Question and Answer threads are sometimes answered by people other than Wraith, they run the risk of being Word Of Dante. Also, a lot of people use elements that haven't fully been fleshed out, which can lead to embarassments in the forum roleplay. Such as thinking Legion have green blood.

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* ''MSFHigh'' ''Webcomic/MSFHigh'' suffers from this at times. Since the Question and Answer threads are sometimes answered by people other than Wraith, they run the risk of being Word Of Dante. Also, a lot of people use elements that haven't fully been fleshed out, which can lead to embarassments in the forum roleplay. Such as thinking Legion have green blood.



** Ask just about any fan what the currency of the Alternian Empire is and they'll answer "caegars". The only caegar we see on screen is only used for coinflips, and their use as currency is implied only once (when Karkat described Vriska as a "run of the mill little psycho girl, a troll caegar a dozen"). Caegars as the official imperial currency has been widespread in {{Fanon}} since ''FanFic/{{Nepetaquest 2011}}'' featured the titular character using them to pay for a map.
** Likewise, the troll deity is widely assumed to be "Gog", thanks to trolls referencing "Gog" and "Jegus" in conversations with the kids. The fantroll community has pointed out that the canon uses of the term "Gog" are intentional references to a ''Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff'' misspelling. In other instances, the trolls say "oh my god" instead.

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** Ask just about any fan what the currency of the Alternian Empire is and they'll answer "caegars". "caegars." The only caegar we see on screen is only used for coinflips, and their use as currency is implied only once (when Karkat described Vriska as a "run of the mill little psycho girl, a troll caegar a dozen"). Caegars as the official imperial currency has been widespread in {{Fanon}} since ''FanFic/{{Nepetaquest 2011}}'' featured the titular character using them to pay for a map.
** Likewise, the troll deity is widely assumed to be "Gog", "Gog," thanks to trolls referencing "Gog" and "Jegus" in conversations with the kids. The fantroll community has pointed out that the canon uses of the term "Gog" are intentional references to a ''Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff'' misspelling. In other instances, the trolls say "oh my god" instead.
1st Mar '17 4:21:43 AM Argamis
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''[='=]s fan-favorite character Derpy gives us an interesting example. Although the show itself seems to insist quite clearly ([[https://dhttps://derpibooru.org/224493 This pic sums it up]]) that Dinky Doo is the daughter of Carrot Top[=/=]Golden Harvest and Written Script, fans of the show ''insist'' that Dinky is Derpy's daughter. Maybe it's because Derpy has been (mostly) portrayed as a loving and devoted perfect mother (most images generating nothing but "awwwwwww" from whoever sees them), but the fans get quite upset if you even suggest that Dinky isn't Derpy's daughter.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''[='=]s fan-favorite character Derpy gives us an interesting example. Although the show itself seems to insist quite clearly ([[https://dhttps://derpibooru.([[https://derpibooru.org/224493 This pic sums it up]]) that Dinky Doo is the daughter of Carrot Top[=/=]Golden Harvest and Written Script, fans of the show ''insist'' that Dinky is Derpy's daughter. Maybe it's because Derpy has been (mostly) portrayed as a loving and devoted perfect mother (most images generating nothing but "awwwwwww" from whoever sees them), but the fans get quite upset if you even suggest that Dinky isn't Derpy's daughter.
1st Mar '17 4:14:16 AM Argamis
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''[='=]s fan-favorite character Derpy gives us an interesting example. Although the show itself seems to insist quite clearly ([[https://derpiboo.ru/media/BAhbBlsHOgZmSSJMMjAxMy8wMS8yNi8xOF80OV8wN182NTdfMjI0NDkzX19VTk9QVF9fc2FmZV9zaGlwcGluZ19jYXJyb3RfdG9wLnBuZy5wbmcGOgZFVA/224493__safe_twilight-sparkle_rainbow-dash_pinkie-pie_rarity_applejack_shipping_mane-six_carrot-top_dinky-hooves_50e03067a4c72d77460006b6_train_written-script.png.png This pic sums it up]]) that Dinky Doo is the daughter of Carrot Top[=/=]Golden Harvest and Written Script, fans of the show ''insist'' that Dinky is Derpy's daughter. Maybe it's because Derpy has been (mostly) portrayed as a loving and devoted perfect mother (most images generating nothing but "awwwwwww" from whoever sees them), but the fans get quite upset if you even suggest that Dinky isn't Derpy's daughter.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''[='=]s fan-favorite character Derpy gives us an interesting example. Although the show itself seems to insist quite clearly ([[https://derpiboo.ru/media/BAhbBlsHOgZmSSJMMjAxMy8wMS8yNi8xOF80OV8wN182NTdfMjI0NDkzX19VTk9QVF9fc2FmZV9zaGlwcGluZ19jYXJyb3RfdG9wLnBuZy5wbmcGOgZFVA/224493__safe_twilight-sparkle_rainbow-dash_pinkie-pie_rarity_applejack_shipping_mane-six_carrot-top_dinky-hooves_50e03067a4c72d77460006b6_train_written-script.png.png ([[https://dhttps://derpibooru.org/224493 This pic sums it up]]) that Dinky Doo is the daughter of Carrot Top[=/=]Golden Harvest and Written Script, fans of the show ''insist'' that Dinky is Derpy's daughter. Maybe it's because Derpy has been (mostly) portrayed as a loving and devoted perfect mother (most images generating nothing but "awwwwwww" from whoever sees them), but the fans get quite upset if you even suggest that Dinky isn't Derpy's daughter.
23rd Feb '17 9:18:33 PM DustSnitch
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** Virtually all art works, from paintings to film, have depicted all prophets and common people in The Bible as of white European stock, including a very blue eyed and blond Jesus Christ, despite the fact that most people in the Holy Land were of Jewish or Middle Eastern descent. Jesus is also usually portrayed as a man with long hair, a beard and a white dress to emphasize his IncorruptiblePurePureness, again something that isn't specificially described as such in the Bible. (The beard is historically likely, given that Jesus ''was'' Jewish and Jewish men of the era generally did have beards; the rest is just conjecture.)

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** Virtually all art works, from paintings ''Art/TheLastSupper'' to film, ''Film/ThePassionOfTheChrist'', have depicted all prophets and common people in The Bible as of white European stock, including a very blue eyed and blond Jesus Christ, despite the fact that most people in the Holy Land were of Jewish or Middle Eastern descent. Jesus is also usually portrayed as a man with long hair, a beard and a white dress to emphasize his IncorruptiblePurePureness, again something that isn't specificially described as such in the Bible. (The beard is historically likely, given that Jesus ''was'' Jewish and Jewish men of the era generally did have beards; the rest is just conjecture.)
18th Feb '17 11:50:21 AM EBsessed
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->''"Now that I have said it, it must be canon!"''

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->''"Now that I have said it, it must be canon!"''canon!"'' [sic]



Word of Dante is stuff that neither the creators nor anyone remotely involved with the work has said is true about their universe -- but everyone assumes it is true because an independent authority, scholar of the work, BigNameFan, or the creator of an adaptation has said it -- often with supporting arguments. It's a kind of ascended {{Fanon}} (though not AscendedFanon proper). A more literary criticism-friendly technical term for it would be ''[[{{canon}} deuterocanon]].''

Why does it matter? Because ''everyone'' thinks the Word of Dante applies to the original work, and so it gets mixed into future adaptations and popular allusions. It can even overrule original canon (if that isn't known as much as it's known of) or Word of God. Take our TropeNamer: if it weren't for Creator/DanteAlighieri and Literature/TheDivineComedy, later writers wouldn't speak of hell having circles with specific [[{{Karma}} Karmic Punishments]]. Hell is depicted in broad strokes in Literature/TheBible. A place of darkness and wailing and gnashing of teeth, a lake of fire -- that's really as specific as it gets. That there are specific places in Hell to send the unchaste, the literal infidels, and the betrayers is all Dante's idea.[[note]]Although Dante's work is highly influential in Western Culture, it should be noticed that [[{{Irony}} no branch of Christianity considers it canonical]] at all[[/note]]

This is especially likely to happen if there is no one who can unambiguously provide Word of God. Without Word of God or Word of Saint Paul, Word of Dante is the strongest authority you have on how to interpret the canon. Often created when an ExpandedUniverse claims to be "official" and thus canon, but is ignored by the primary canon. If there ''is'' a Word of God, however, then what Word of Dante does get produced is just as likely as {{Fanon}} to be {{Jossed}} at some point.

Frequently creates AdaptationDisplacement. May also help create MisaimedFandom if the Dante's ideas contradict true canon or Word of God.

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Word of Dante is stuff that neither the creators nor anyone remotely involved with the work has said is true about their universe -- but everyone assumes it is true because an independent authority, scholar of the work, BigNameFan, or the creator of an adaptation has said it -- often with supporting arguments. It's a kind of ascended {{Fanon}} (though not AscendedFanon proper). A more literary criticism-friendly technical term for it would be ''[[{{canon}} deuterocanon]].deuterocanonicty]].''

Why does it matter? Because ''everyone'' thinks the Word of Dante applies to the original work, and so it gets mixed into future adaptations and popular allusions. It can even overrule original canon canonicity (if that isn't known as much as it's known of) or Word of God. Take our TropeNamer: if it weren't for Creator/DanteAlighieri and Literature/TheDivineComedy, later writers wouldn't speak of hell having circles with specific [[{{Karma}} Karmic Punishments]]. Hell is depicted in broad strokes in Literature/TheBible. A place of darkness and wailing and gnashing of teeth, a lake of fire -- that's really as specific as it gets. That there are specific places in Hell to send the unchaste, the literal infidels, and the betrayers is all Dante's idea.[[note]]Although Dante's work is highly influential in Western Culture, it should be noticed that [[{{Irony}} no branch of Christianity considers it canonical]] at all[[/note]]

This is especially likely to happen if there is no one who can unambiguously provide Word of God. Without Word of God or Word of Saint Paul, Word of Dante is the strongest authority you have on how to interpret the canon. Often created when an ExpandedUniverse claims to be "official" and thus canon, canonical, but is ignored by the primary canon. If there ''is'' a Word of God, however, then what Word of Dante does get produced is just as likely as {{Fanon}} to be {{Jossed}} at some point.

Frequently creates AdaptationDisplacement. May also help create MisaimedFandom if the Dante's ideas contradict true canon canonicity or Word of God.



Also related is the DeathOfTheAuthor, a concept from the field of literary criticism which states that all theories about a work (regardless of [[WordOfGod their]] [[{{Fanon}} source]]) can be equally valid. See also GodNeverSaidThat. If Word of Dante ever becomes canon, it's AscendedFanon.

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Also related is the DeathOfTheAuthor, a concept from the field of literary criticism which states that all theories about a work (regardless of [[WordOfGod their]] [[{{Fanon}} source]]) can be equally valid. See also GodNeverSaidThat. If Word of Dante ever becomes canon, canonical, it's AscendedFanon.



** It's generally accepted as canon that Roy Mustang refuses to make any moves while playing chess which would require him to sacrifice his queen (which is the piece to which he compares his devoted [[BodyguardCrush adjutant]], Lieutenant Hawkeye). There is no official verification of this, although it's certainly in keeping with his character.

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** It's generally accepted as canon canonical that Roy Mustang refuses to make any moves while playing chess which would require him to sacrifice his queen (which is the piece to which he compares his devoted [[BodyguardCrush adjutant]], Lieutenant Hawkeye). There is no official verification of this, although it's certainly in keeping with his character.



** At no point in canon is it ever stated that Lamperouge (the last name Lelouch and Nunnaly take after faking their deaths) was Marianne's maiden name. Despite this, you see this referenced at various times in fan works, including on this very wiki.
** ActionGirl Kallen Kouzuki goes by her Britannian father's surname "Stadtfeld" when in public due to the social stigma against Japanese. Fans often assume that she also "westernizes" her first name to "Karen" at the same time, or occasionally that she really ''is'' named Karen, and "Kallen" is her attempt to reject her "slave name". None of this reflects on canon; in fact, characters who only know her in her Stadtfeld identity still call her "Kallen".
* The Director's Cut films of ''Manga/DeathNote'' are not canon, and not generally regarded as such... except for the funeral scene. (And, [[HesJustHiding more controversially]], the scenes in the shinigami realm.)

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** At no point in canon canonicity is it ever stated that Lamperouge (the last name Lelouch and Nunnaly take after faking their deaths) was Marianne's maiden name. Despite this, you see this referenced at various times in fan works, including on this very wiki.
** ActionGirl Kallen Kouzuki goes by her Britannian father's surname "Stadtfeld" when in public due to the social stigma against Japanese. Fans often assume that she also "westernizes" her first name to "Karen" at the same time, or occasionally that she really ''is'' named Karen, and "Kallen" is her attempt to reject her "slave name". None of this reflects on canon; canonicity; in fact, characters who only know her in her Stadtfeld identity still call her "Kallen".
* The Director's Cut films of ''Manga/DeathNote'' are not canon, canonical, and not generally regarded as such... except for the funeral scene. (And, [[HesJustHiding more controversially]], the scenes in the shinigami realm.)



** Magical girls are generally assumed to be TheAgeless. ''Fanfic/ToTheStars'' even allows them to consciously adjust their (apparent) age. It makes sense, since [[spoiler:their souls are sealed in their soul gems]] and they can seemingly heal from any physical injury, but the issue is ignored in canon, even for characters like Mami and Kyouko who contracted years ago.

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** Magical girls are generally assumed to be TheAgeless. ''Fanfic/ToTheStars'' even allows them to consciously adjust their (apparent) age. It makes sense, since [[spoiler:their souls are sealed in their soul gems]] and they can seemingly heal from any physical injury, but the issue is ignored in canon, canonicity, even for characters like Mami and Kyouko who contracted years ago.



* Nowhere is Misty from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' canonically referred to as "Misty Waterflower", but you'll rarely see her surname given as anything else. "Waterflower" comes from the ''dub title'' of episode 7: "The Water Flowers Of Cerulean City". This is a metaphor for her sisters due to their FloralThemeNaming, but [[IAmNotShazam they are not called this in canon either]]; the term used for said sisters as a group is "The Sensational Sisters". Several other characters are given last names in fanfics as well, but this is the only case with supposed in-show "evidence". The whole need for a last name in the first place came from the {{Dub|InducedPlotHole}} giving Ash a last name in order to avoid LipLock.[[note]]If Satoshi has a last name in the original, [[NoNameGiven it was never given]].[[/note]]

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* Nowhere is Misty from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' canonically referred to as "Misty Waterflower", but you'll rarely see her surname given as anything else. "Waterflower" comes from the ''dub title'' of episode 7: "The Water Flowers Of Cerulean City". This is a metaphor for her sisters due to their FloralThemeNaming, but [[IAmNotShazam they are not called this in canon canonicity either]]; the term used for said sisters as a group is "The Sensational Sisters". Several other characters are given last names in fanfics as well, but this is the only case with supposed in-show "evidence". The whole need for a last name in the first place came from the {{Dub|InducedPlotHole}} giving Ash a last name in order to avoid LipLock.[[note]]If Satoshi has a last name in the original, [[NoNameGiven it was never given]].[[/note]]



** The English-speaking fandom largely and [[http://inu-fanon.tumblr.com/post/65242321756/lord-of-the-western-lands inaccurately]] concluding that Inuyasha's older brother Sesshomaru is some sort of demon [[BlueBlood noble]] with an official domain in "the Western Lands", whose father passed on the title "Lord of the Western Lands". It's extremely popular in fanworks and even discussion among fans [[http://inu-fanon.tumblr.com/post/127266880042/kenziepotakuwannabe3-do-you-know-how-fucking#notes who often work on the assumption it's canon]]... and yet literally ''none'' of this is in the original manga or even anime. In fact, in contrast to the idea that he inherited some sort of land, servants and noble title, Sesshomaru at one point is shown pondering the possibility that his father might not have meant to leave him ''[[TheUnfavorite anything at all]]''. Things like this are why there's at least one entire blog that got devoted to discussing widespread fanon for this ''one'' series - fanon and outright WordOfDante occurs in the fandom with frustrating regularity for anybody trying to keep canon straight.

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** The English-speaking fandom largely and [[http://inu-fanon.tumblr.com/post/65242321756/lord-of-the-western-lands inaccurately]] concluding that Inuyasha's older brother Sesshomaru is some sort of demon [[BlueBlood noble]] with an official domain in "the Western Lands", whose father passed on the title "Lord of the Western Lands". It's extremely popular in fanworks and even discussion among fans [[http://inu-fanon.tumblr.com/post/127266880042/kenziepotakuwannabe3-do-you-know-how-fucking#notes who often work on the assumption it's canon]]...canonical]]... and yet literally ''none'' of this is in the original manga or even anime. In fact, in contrast to the idea that he inherited some sort of land, servants and noble title, Sesshomaru at one point is shown pondering the possibility that his father might not have meant to leave him ''[[TheUnfavorite anything at all]]''. Things like this are why there's at least one entire blog that got devoted to discussing widespread fanon for this ''one'' series - fanon and outright WordOfDante occurs in the fandom with frustrating regularity for anybody trying to keep canon canonicity straight.



* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/AnExtremelyGoofyMovie'' consider [=PJ's=] love interest to have the PunnyName of "Mocha Chino". It's mentioned constantly as if that is her canon name but officially she is "[[NoNameGiven Beret Girl]]".

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* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/AnExtremelyGoofyMovie'' consider [=PJ's=] love interest to have the PunnyName of "Mocha Chino". It's mentioned constantly as if that is her canon canonical name but officially she is "[[NoNameGiven Beret Girl]]".



** The Technical Commentaries fit this trope so well that much of their information overrides canon in the eyes of fans. The best example is the class name of the Star Destroyers from the original trilogy. Canonically, they're Imperial-Class according to the EU, the official website, and WordOfGod. Dr. Saxton, who wrote the technical commentaries, dubbed them "Imperator-Class" on the grounds that "Imperial" is a stupid name for a warship; he assumed that the Empire followed American and British tradition in naming ships and classes. Many fan works use "Imperator-class" and the name was eventually canonized in ''Revenge of the Sith: Incredible Cross-Sections'' (penned by Saxton as an author for Lucasfilm Licensing). Go, [[AncientRome Roman]] naming-schemes!

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** The Technical Commentaries fit this trope so well that much of their information overrides canon canonicity in the eyes of fans. The best example is the class name of the Star Destroyers from the original trilogy. Canonically, they're Imperial-Class according to the EU, the official website, and WordOfGod. Dr. Saxton, who wrote the technical commentaries, dubbed them "Imperator-Class" on the grounds that "Imperial" is a stupid name for a warship; he assumed that the Empire followed American and British tradition in naming ships and classes. Many fan works use "Imperator-class" and the name was eventually canonized in ''Revenge of the Sith: Incredible Cross-Sections'' (penned by Saxton as an author for Lucasfilm Licensing). Go, [[AncientRome Roman]] naming-schemes!



** ''Theatre/RosencrantzAndGuildensternAreDead'' is often taken as canon for ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'', even if incorporating a postmodern look at the nature of theatre into a straightforward if rich story about revenge makes no sense. (It helps that Tom Stoppard is careful about making sure ''when'' in ''Hamlet'' the various events of his own play happen.) Even people who can't consider the events canon "know" that they must be either allowed for or explicitly ruled out, which gives Rosencrantz and Guildenstern importance they would not otherwise have. The film of ''Hamlet'' with Creator/LaurenceOlivier cut out the pair entirely because they were minor characters with little effect on the main plot -- which is why Tom Stoppard wrote his play in the first place. In modern versions, even ones that don't consider Stoppard canon, this is all but unthinkable. (The Creator/MelGibson version shows their execution, for instance.)

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** ''Theatre/RosencrantzAndGuildensternAreDead'' is often taken as canon canonical for ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'', even if incorporating a postmodern look at the nature of theatre into a straightforward if rich story about revenge makes no sense. (It helps that Tom Stoppard is careful about making sure ''when'' in ''Hamlet'' the various events of his own play happen.) Even people who can't consider the events canon canonical "know" that they must be either allowed for or explicitly ruled out, which gives Rosencrantz and Guildenstern importance they would not otherwise have. The film of ''Hamlet'' with Creator/LaurenceOlivier cut out the pair entirely because they were minor characters with little effect on the main plot -- which is why Tom Stoppard wrote his play in the first place. In modern versions, even ones that don't consider Stoppard canon, canonical, this is all but unthinkable. (The Creator/MelGibson version shows their execution, for instance.)



** The author never described the eponymous character as wearing a [[IconicOutfit deerstalker cap or smoking a calabash pipe]].[[note]] The closest he came was in "Silver Blaze", where Holmes ''is'' noted as wearing a cap with earflaps, but that's because of the illustrations, not vice versa.[[/note]] Those are elements that were popularized by illustrations -- including the pictures ''printed with the stories''[[note]] But only when Holmes was in the countryside, as in "Silver Blaze"; a gentleman wouldn't dress like that in the city[[/note]] -- and stage productions. So many people consider them canon that the [[Film/SherlockHolmes 2009 film]] got criticized for dropping those elements. Basil Rathbone wore them in his classic 1939 films, ''Film/TheHoundOfTheBaskervilles'' and ''[[Film/TheAdventuresOfSherlockHolmes1939 The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes]]'', more reason to associate this outfit with the great detective.

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** The author never described the eponymous character as wearing a [[IconicOutfit deerstalker cap or smoking a calabash pipe]].[[note]] The closest he came was in "Silver Blaze", where Holmes ''is'' noted as wearing a cap with earflaps, but that's because of the illustrations, not vice versa.[[/note]] Those are elements that were popularized by illustrations -- including the pictures ''printed with the stories''[[note]] But only when Holmes was in the countryside, as in "Silver Blaze"; a gentleman wouldn't dress like that in the city[[/note]] -- and stage productions. So many people consider them canon canonical that the [[Film/SherlockHolmes 2009 film]] got criticized for dropping those elements. Basil Rathbone wore them in his classic 1939 films, ''Film/TheHoundOfTheBaskervilles'' and ''[[Film/TheAdventuresOfSherlockHolmes1939 The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes]]'', more reason to associate this outfit with the great detective.



** Lots of people think Caspian/Susan is canon, when actually they barely talk to each other in the ''Prince Caspian'' book. The movie, however, did make it canon. In the first book in which he appears, Caspian and Susan are both 13 years old, and he has more interactions with the 9-year-old Lucy than he ever does with her older sister. There are rumors that the movies were planning on foreshadowing Lucy/Caspian, to be properly set up in Dawn Treader, but when [[DawsonCasting 26-year-old]] Ben Barnes was cast against 12-year-old Georgie Henley and 19-year-old Anna Popplewell, they decided [[UnfortunateImplications not to go down that road]].

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** Lots of people think Caspian/Susan is canon, canonical, when actually they barely talk to each other in the ''Prince Caspian'' book. The movie, however, did make it canon.canonical. In the first book in which he appears, Caspian and Susan are both 13 years old, and he has more interactions with the 9-year-old Lucy than he ever does with her older sister. There are rumors that the movies were planning on foreshadowing Lucy/Caspian, to be properly set up in Dawn Treader, but when [[DawsonCasting 26-year-old]] Ben Barnes was cast against 12-year-old Georgie Henley and 19-year-old Anna Popplewell, they decided [[UnfortunateImplications not to go down that road]].



** There are quite a few ''Trek'' examples, leading to cases where newer ''Trek'' -- particularly ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' -- was accused by many of being "inaccurate". Many aspects of fanon were confused with canon. Whether ''Enterprise'' did or did not deviate from established canon (and keeping in mind ''Trek'' has never been ''100%'' consistent anyway, simply by virtue of how big it is), many of the more frequent claims were in fact based on widely-accepted but non-canonical fan assumptions. Among the biggest Word Of Dante was the whole "Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet" idea. Another is the "2218 Klingon First Contact". Neither was canonical, but were widely accepted along Word Of Dante principles for years. In these two aspects at least, ''Enterprise'' didn't deviate from canon.

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** There are quite a few ''Trek'' examples, leading to cases where newer ''Trek'' -- particularly ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' -- was accused by many of being "inaccurate". Many aspects of fanon were confused with canon. canonicity. Whether ''Enterprise'' did or did not deviate from established canon canonicity (and keeping in mind ''Trek'' has never been ''100%'' consistent anyway, simply by virtue of how big it is), many of the more frequent claims were in fact based on widely-accepted but non-canonical fan assumptions. Among the biggest Word Of Dante was the whole "Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet" idea. Another is the "2218 Klingon First Contact". Neither was canonical, but were widely accepted along Word Of Dante principles for years. In these two aspects at least, ''Enterprise'' didn't deviate from canon.canonicity.



** Among the biggest Word of Dantes, used in authorized but non-canon reference books and the ExpandedUniverse, was that many of the major races such as Klingons and Romulans come from the rarely-mentioned-in-canon Beta Quadrant. Another is that, since several seasons are 26 episodes long and cover a fictional year, each episode covers two weeks. When the writers of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' indicated all the main races came from the Alpha Quadrant or had five episodes taking place over a month, many fans jumped on these as mistakes. It was finally made canon in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', making this an instance of AscendedFanon. (Given he also made Uhura's non-canon first name Nyota canon (and has admitted he didn't know it only came from the novels), Creator/JJAbrams seems to be mainly using fan sites for research. Creator/SimonPegg has since stated that the new films are set in a universe that is a complete rewrite of the original canon from the big bang onwards, making its relevance to the canon of pre-2009 series unclear.) This is thrown the other way in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', which reveals that the majority of the Federation systems (including Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Risa, Betazed, and even EARTH[[note]]Word of God-for-STO is that Sol is ''at'' the dividing line between the quadrants, it's just that the way the quadrants are implemented the system has to be in one quadrant or the other, so they went with Beta since that's where most of the other famous early Federation worlds are[[/note]]) are in the Beta Quadrant.

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** Among the biggest Word of Dantes, used in authorized but non-canon noncanonical reference books and the ExpandedUniverse, was that many of the major races such as Klingons and Romulans come from the rarely-mentioned-in-canon rarely-mentioned-in-canonicity Beta Quadrant. Another is that, since several seasons are 26 episodes long and cover a fictional year, each episode covers two weeks. When the writers of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' indicated all the main races came from the Alpha Quadrant or had five episodes taking place over a month, many fans jumped on these as mistakes. It was finally made canon canonical in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', making this an instance of AscendedFanon. (Given he also made Uhura's non-canon non-canonical first name Nyota canon canonical (and has admitted he didn't know it only came from the novels), Creator/JJAbrams seems to be mainly using fan sites for research. Creator/SimonPegg has since stated that the new films are set in a universe that is a complete rewrite of the original canon from the big bang onwards, making its relevance to the canon of pre-2009 series unclear.) This is thrown the other way in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', which reveals that the majority of the Federation systems (including Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Risa, Betazed, and even EARTH[[note]]Word of God-for-STO is that Sol is ''at'' the dividing line between the quadrants, it's just that the way the quadrants are implemented the system has to be in one quadrant or the other, so they went with Beta since that's where most of the other famous early Federation worlds are[[/note]]) are in the Beta Quadrant.



* [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara's]] Theory as to the cause of PowerRangers suits sparking upon being struck (essentially a Power Surge) has been adopted as canon by the franchise's fandom.

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* [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara's]] Theory as to the cause of PowerRangers suits sparking upon being struck (essentially a Power Surge) has been adopted as canon canonical by the franchise's fandom.



** A BigNameFan named Jean-Marc Lofficier wrote some reference books in the eighties and nineties, which had quasi-official status through being published by Target, who also did the ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. Although the real-world information about the series was mostly reliable, much of the UniverseConcordance material included consisted of [[FanWank extremely speculative]] extrapolations from canon or pure fanfic, without any disclaimer being put in. It's still possible to find older Who fans quoting some of this stuff as canon.

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** A BigNameFan named Jean-Marc Lofficier wrote some reference books in the eighties and nineties, which had quasi-official status through being published by Target, who also did the ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. Although the real-world information about the series was mostly reliable, much of the UniverseConcordance material included consisted of [[FanWank extremely speculative]] extrapolations from canon canonicity or pure fanfic, without any disclaimer being put in. It's still possible to find older Who fans quoting some of this stuff as canon.canonical.



** [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow Or in more simple terms, Schindler's "canon" canon about Beethoven's canon ISN'T canon]].

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** [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow Or in more simple terms, Schindler's "canon" "canonical" canon about Beethoven's canon ISN'T canon]].canonical]].



* Thanks to Revo's [[ShrugOfGod complete refusal to clear up any ambiguities in the albums]], most SoundHorizon "canon" is really just a large swath of widely-accepted fan theories.

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* Thanks to Revo's [[ShrugOfGod complete refusal to clear up any ambiguities in the albums]], most SoundHorizon "canon" "canonicity" is really just a large swath of widely-accepted fan theories.



* Dante Alighieri's ''Literature/DivineComedy'' is the TropeNamer, and the most famous example. Anything you think you know about Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory was probably popularized by Dante, though very little of it is supported by Biblical canon. Considerable portions were also based on contemporary Church positions and local superstitions, both of which were still dominated by leftover bits of Middle-Eastern, Roman and Greek mythology at the time. There are also some RealLife people (such as Francesca da Rimini and Count Ugolino) that we only know of through Dante's work and the early commentaries explaining it. Note that many of them, especially the souls found in the ''Inferno'', could probably have gone without being mentioned. Many among that group had wronged Dante in some way, and the general consensus among modern critics of ''Inferno'' is that Dante included them for [[TakeThat personal reasons]]. There are so many of these people that some say ''Inferno'' is 40-50% political satire and requires extensive knowledge of contemporary Italian politics to understand.
* This trope is older than the actual Bible we know today, with various other religious texts not included in canon but occasionally influential, known as Apocrypha. First there are the various ''deuterocanonical'' books which you might find after Revelation in your Bible (in Catholic and Orthodox Bibles, however, they'll simply be in the Old Testament- there are seven, not counting the codicils of Esther and Daniel and the appendix to Daniel). These are considered by Biblical scholars (in varying degrees) to be not canon, but not heretical. Why? A SeriousBusiness but often some of it is as simple as obvious errors. Generally not found in modern Protestant Bibles but still available in common versions.

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* Dante Alighieri's ''Literature/DivineComedy'' is the TropeNamer, and the most famous example. Anything you think you know about Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory was probably popularized by Dante, though very little of it is supported by Biblical canon.canonicity. Considerable portions were also based on contemporary Church positions and local superstitions, both of which were still dominated by leftover bits of Middle-Eastern, Roman and Greek mythology at the time. There are also some RealLife people (such as Francesca da Rimini and Count Ugolino) that we only know of through Dante's work and the early commentaries explaining it. Note that many of them, especially the souls found in the ''Inferno'', could probably have gone without being mentioned. Many among that group had wronged Dante in some way, and the general consensus among modern critics of ''Inferno'' is that Dante included them for [[TakeThat personal reasons]]. There are so many of these people that some say ''Inferno'' is 40-50% political satire and requires extensive knowledge of contemporary Italian politics to understand.
* This trope is older than the actual Bible we know today, with various other religious texts not included in canon canonicity but occasionally influential, known as Apocrypha. First there are the various ''deuterocanonical'' books which you might find after Revelation in your Bible (in Catholic and Orthodox Bibles, however, they'll simply be in the Old Testament- there are seven, not counting the codicils of Esther and Daniel and the appendix to Daniel). These are considered by Biblical scholars (in varying degrees) to be not canon, canonical, but not heretical. Why? A SeriousBusiness but often some of it is as simple as obvious errors. Generally not found in modern Protestant Bibles but still available in common versions.



** "Apocrypha" has a specific meaning in terms of biblical studies; it refers to Old Testament books present in Greek sources (such as the Septuagint) that aren't present in the Masoretic Hebrew Tanakh. It does not, however, imply any criticism of the text, even from a religious perspective; indeed, some "Apocrypha," like the Books of Maccabees, are considered to be of great historical interest by those who leave them out of the canon, and in some cases there is not even a religious quarrel with the contents of the non-canon text (for instance, neither Protestants nor Jews regard 1 Maccabees as having any objectionable doctrinal content--unlike 2 Maccabees, which they have numerous doctrinal quarrels with while accepting some of the historical details it preserves).
** Some people have said that Mary Magdalene wrote a gospel, though this is generally considered non-Canon by the church. A book of it was put out a few years ago, however.

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** "Apocrypha" has a specific meaning in terms of biblical studies; it refers to Old Testament books present in Greek sources (such as the Septuagint) that aren't present in the Masoretic Hebrew Tanakh. It does not, however, imply any criticism of the text, even from a religious perspective; indeed, some "Apocrypha," like the Books of Maccabees, are considered to be of great historical interest by those who leave them out of the canon, and in some cases there is not even a religious quarrel with the contents of the non-canon non-canonical text (for instance, neither Protestants nor Jews regard 1 Maccabees as having any objectionable doctrinal content--unlike 2 Maccabees, which they have numerous doctrinal quarrels with while accepting some of the historical details it preserves).
** Some people have said that Mary Magdalene wrote a gospel, though this is generally considered non-Canon non-canonical by the church. A book of it was put out a few years ago, however.



* The "back story" of ''Ride/TheHauntedMansion'' at Ride/DisneyThemeParks is officially [[MultipleChoicePast whatever the Cast Members that day decide it is]]. Still, a lot of it is mistaken for pure canon. A lot of it became AscendedFanon through [[Film/TheHauntedMansion the film]], though.

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* The "back story" of ''Ride/TheHauntedMansion'' at Ride/DisneyThemeParks is officially [[MultipleChoicePast whatever the Cast Members that day decide it is]]. Still, a lot of it is mistaken for pure canon.canonicity. A lot of it became AscendedFanon through [[Film/TheHauntedMansion the film]], though.



* In ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'', the identity of Lord Gwyn's firstborn son is kept ambiguous, with only a few vague hints given that he even exists. However, certain high-profile members of the Dark Souls fanbase like [=EpicNameBro=] have suggested (based on some very valid in-game clues) that it is Solaire, a theory which has become so popular among the Dark Souls community that many fans accept it as canon despite From Software's silence on the matter. This may have even been {{Jossed}} with the release of ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'', however, which features a character (definitely not Solaire) whom the game hints to be Gwyn's firstborn about as heavily as it can without actually coming out and saying it.

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* In ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'', the identity of Lord Gwyn's firstborn son is kept ambiguous, with only a few vague hints given that he even exists. However, certain high-profile members of the Dark Souls fanbase like [=EpicNameBro=] have suggested (based on some very valid in-game clues) that it is Solaire, a theory which has become so popular among the Dark Souls community that many fans accept it as canon canonical despite From Software's silence on the matter. This may have even been {{Jossed}} with the release of ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'', however, which features a character (definitely not Solaire) whom the game hints to be Gwyn's firstborn about as heavily as it can without actually coming out and saying it.



** TheRival from ''Gold and Silver'' being Giovanni's son started off as this, until it [[AscendedFanon became canon.]] But as for who the ''mother'' is, it's generally believed to be Executive Ariana.

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** TheRival from ''Gold and Silver'' being Giovanni's son started off as this, until it [[AscendedFanon became canon.canonical.]] But as for who the ''mother'' is, it's generally believed to be Executive Ariana.



* ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater'' has led to ''many'' people assuming characterizations and personalities in the comic are canon to the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' games. In particular, that [[WhiteMagicianGirl White Mage is a girl]] (though many people already assumed this long before ''8-Bit Theater'' existed), to the chagrin of male White Mage cosplayers everywhere. Or that black mages in general are psychopathic murderers, which is hinted at in ''Webcomic/CaptainSNES'', even though no appearances of playable black mages in the rest of the series have portrayed them as anything even close (worst would probably be [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV Palom]], who was a little bit rude, but definitely not evil). And no, despite his ears, Thief is ''not'' an elf.

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* ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater'' has led to ''many'' people assuming characterizations and personalities in the comic are canon canonical to the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' games. In particular, that [[WhiteMagicianGirl White Mage is a girl]] (though many people already assumed this long before ''8-Bit Theater'' existed), to the chagrin of male White Mage cosplayers everywhere. Or that black mages in general are psychopathic murderers, which is hinted at in ''Webcomic/CaptainSNES'', even though no appearances of playable black mages in the rest of the series have portrayed them as anything even close (worst would probably be [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV Palom]], who was a little bit rude, but definitely not evil). And no, despite his ears, Thief is ''not'' an elf.



** Rosalina being a princess isn't canon; however, fans overwhelmingly consider her one. No game has her listed as "Princess Rosalina," but Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina are considered the princess PowerTrio.

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** Rosalina being a princess isn't canon; canonical; however, fans overwhelmingly consider her one. No game has her listed as "Princess Rosalina," but Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina are considered the princess PowerTrio.



* The ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' fandom is quite [[BerserkButton pissed]] at the idea that [[spoiler:Yami's]] different forms represent mankind's destructive nature. This wouldn't be too much of a problem if it wasn't a theory by LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}} that dozens of people accepted as canon. The Okami wiki even has a [[http://okami.wikia.com/wiki/Yami notice]] on [[spoiler:Yami]]'s page warning that anyone who tries to post any theories about what his forms represent will be banned, and that "just because Chuggaaconroy mentioned the definitions of [[spoiler:Yami]]'s forms does not make him a reliable source."
* Just listing the amount of examples caused by Matthew Patrick's ''[[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]]'' would take up a section of its own. Anything [[GameTheory MatPat]] says is regarded as canon by a large number of a games' fandom, even if his theory isn't serious or it has multiple errors. For example, many fans unironically think Peach from ''Super Mario Bros'' is Rosalina's mother, despite the facts that there isn't anything to suggest this and that Rosalina is ''older'' than Peach.

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* The ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' fandom is quite [[BerserkButton pissed]] at the idea that [[spoiler:Yami's]] different forms represent mankind's destructive nature. This wouldn't be too much of a problem if it wasn't a theory by LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}} that dozens of people accepted as canon.canonical. The Okami wiki even has a [[http://okami.wikia.com/wiki/Yami notice]] on [[spoiler:Yami]]'s page warning that anyone who tries to post any theories about what his forms represent will be banned, and that "just because Chuggaaconroy mentioned the definitions of [[spoiler:Yami]]'s forms does not make him a reliable source."
* Just listing the amount of examples caused by Matthew Patrick's ''[[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]]'' would take up a section of its own. Anything [[GameTheory MatPat]] says is regarded as canon canonical by a large number of a games' fandom, even if his theory isn't serious or it has multiple errors. For example, many fans unironically think Peach from ''Super Mario Bros'' is Rosalina's mother, despite the facts that there isn't anything to suggest this and that Rosalina is ''older'' than Peach.



* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has a large body of Dante-isms, since {{Canon}} is often no more than "[[TrollingCreator ambiguous trolling]] [[WordOfGod statement from]] Creator/AndrewHussie two years ago on an inactive Formspring" and the fandom is especially active and prolific.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has a large body of Dante-isms, since {{Canon}} canonicity is often no more than "[[TrollingCreator ambiguous trolling]] [[WordOfGod statement from]] Creator/AndrewHussie two years ago on an inactive Formspring" and the fandom is especially active and prolific.



** Due to limited true canon on the workings of troll society, the fantroll community has a ''lot'' of accepted fanon that the StopHavingFunGuys see it as their responsibility to defend against CanonDefilement by non-conforming fantrolls. Among these:
*** That trolls see themselves as a MasterRace and wipe out any species they conquer (canon never states why or how they invade planets).
*** That trolls are drafted offworld when they reach 10 sweeps (canon never specifies the exact age at which this happens).
*** And that they are visited by the Imperial Drone at the same time and then never again (also never specified in canon, which, in fact, seems to imply that mandatory pailing comes around on a regular basis).

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** Due to limited true canon canonicity on the workings of troll society, the fantroll community has a ''lot'' of accepted fanon that the StopHavingFunGuys see it as their responsibility to defend against CanonDefilement by non-conforming fantrolls. Among these:
*** That trolls see themselves as a MasterRace and wipe out any species they conquer (canon (canonicity never states why or how they invade planets).
*** That trolls are drafted offworld when they reach 10 sweeps (canon (canonicity never specifies the exact age at which this happens).
*** And that they are visited by the Imperial Drone at the same time and then never again (also never specified in canon, canonicity, which, in fact, seems to imply that mandatory pailing comes around on a regular basis).



* ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner'': On its fansite, the Homestar Runner Fanstuff Wiki, many aspects of the 20X6 characters added in the more popular fan works seem to be thought of as canon by many of the wiki's members, such as Stlunko [[SpockSpeak not using contractions]] (only appearing in the game ''VideoGame/{{Stinkoman 20X6}}'', Stlunko only had one line in the manual which had no place for a contraction in it), the most major example being 1-up's [[TrademarkFavoriteFood obsession with pudding]], whereas in the canon pudding appeared in a single toon, and 1-up said "I want pudding" once. It also ''[[AscendedFanon influenced the creators]],'' giving names to the minor characters (the Visor Robot, for example) among other things.

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* ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner'': On its fansite, the Homestar Runner Fanstuff Wiki, many aspects of the 20X6 characters added in the more popular fan works seem to be thought of as canon canonical by many of the wiki's members, such as Stlunko [[SpockSpeak not using contractions]] (only appearing in the game ''VideoGame/{{Stinkoman 20X6}}'', Stlunko only had one line in the manual which had no place for a contraction in it), the most major example being 1-up's [[TrademarkFavoriteFood obsession with pudding]], whereas in the canon pudding appeared in a single toon, and 1-up said "I want pudding" once. It also ''[[AscendedFanon influenced the creators]],'' giving names to the minor characters (the Visor Robot, for example) among other things.



** Another [=RvB=] example is how BigNameFan Luke [=McKay=] did a well known series of what the various characters look like underneath their helmets. Since [=McKay=] both eventually did official (albeit not related to [=RvB=]) art for RT, and some of the RT guys expressed appreciation of the designs, the fandom latched into the designs as "canon". Which has led to the revelation of some of the characters turning out to ''not'' canonically look like [=McKay's=] designs (notably, [[spoiler:South looking completely different, Wash being blond versus brunet, and Maine being bald instead of ginger]]) causing some grumpiness in the fandom. However, [[spoiler:Wyoming actually looks pretty close to [=McKay's=] design]].

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** Another [=RvB=] example is how BigNameFan Luke [=McKay=] did a well known series of what the various characters look like underneath their helmets. Since [=McKay=] both eventually did official (albeit not related to [=RvB=]) art for RT, and some of the RT guys expressed appreciation of the designs, the fandom latched into the designs as "canon"."canonical". Which has led to the revelation of some of the characters turning out to ''not'' canonically look like [=McKay's=] designs (notably, [[spoiler:South looking completely different, Wash being blond versus brunet, and Maine being bald instead of ginger]]) causing some grumpiness in the fandom. However, [[spoiler:Wyoming actually looks pretty close to [=McKay's=] design]].



* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' seems to generate Word of Dante as a natural byproduct. The idea that any or all of the four main characters are lesbians, and specifically attracted to each other (Ruby with Weiss and Blake with Yang being the most common pairings) has very little official evidence, but to many fans it's basically viewed as canon. Other popular details like Ozpin's coffee mug being a weapon, Ruby and Yang growing up poor, Blake's catchphrase being "You fiend!" and Faunus going into heat at certain times of the year can be traced back to various fan works and not the show itself.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' seems to generate Word of Dante as a natural byproduct. The idea that any or all of the four main characters are lesbians, and specifically attracted to each other (Ruby with Weiss and Blake with Yang being the most common pairings) has very little official evidence, but to many fans it's basically viewed as canon.canonical. Other popular details like Ozpin's coffee mug being a weapon, Ruby and Yang growing up poor, Blake's catchphrase being "You fiend!" and Faunus going into heat at certain times of the year can be traced back to various fan works and not the show itself.



* Matthew Patrick of [[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]] is one of the most prolific and notorious Word of Dante spreaders about video games, films and TV shows, usually using evidence from real life equivalents or interpretations of the subject's lore to prove his point. He is also one of the more criticized examples due to the FanDumb spreading his theories as canon everywhere, sometimes even engaging FlameWar[=s=] against people who disagree with him. To somewhat prevent this, Matt now set up polls at the end of most of his WildMassGuessing videos, asking the audience if it agrees with him.

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* Matthew Patrick of [[WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow Game Theory]] is one of the most prolific and notorious Word of Dante spreaders about video games, films and TV shows, usually using evidence from real life equivalents or interpretations of the subject's lore to prove his point. He is also one of the more criticized examples due to the FanDumb spreading his theories as canon canonical everywhere, sometimes even engaging FlameWar[=s=] against people who disagree with him. To somewhat prevent this, Matt now set up polls at the end of most of his WildMassGuessing videos, asking the audience if it agrees with him.



** Eric having the last name Montgomery. He must just look it. This concept is so established in {{fanon}} that it can easily be mistaken for {{canon}}.
** "Presto" being short for Preston. This one is probably because of elegance -- making a double meaning, making the nickname a LineOfSightName, and explaining why ''everyone'' uses it when names are used in true {{canon}}. The main reminder that this ''isn't'' canon is there still disagreement on whether Preston is a given name or surname...

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** Eric having the last name Montgomery. He must just look it. This concept is so established in {{fanon}} that it can easily be mistaken for {{canon}}.
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** "Presto" being short for Preston. This one is probably because of elegance -- making a double meaning, making the nickname a LineOfSightName, and explaining why ''everyone'' uses it when names are used in true {{canon}}. canonicity. The main reminder that this ''isn't'' canon canonical is there still disagreement on whether Preston is a given name or surname...



** Even Princess Celestia isn't immune to this treatment. The show portrays her as a long-lived, wise, and powerful magic user, but refuses to declare her a [[PhysicalGod goddess]], while the fandom refuses with equal vehemency to envision her as anything less. Canon lies somewhere in between: she is not as powerful as [[http://derpibooru.org/279517?scope=scpe359a49d793966475de3b68ad2dcd3e0b346d49a4 the most omnipotent fanfic and fanart portrayals]], but phrases like [[OhMyGods "Thank Celestia," "For Celestia's sake," and "As Celestia is my witness,]] [[GoneWithTheWind I'll never be]] ''x'' [[ShoutOut again!"]] used in the show make it very clear that fans are not coming up with the idea of her as a goddess out of nowhere.

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** Even Princess Celestia isn't immune to this treatment. The show portrays her as a long-lived, wise, and powerful magic user, but refuses to declare her a [[PhysicalGod goddess]], while the fandom refuses with equal vehemency to envision her as anything less. Canon Canonicity lies somewhere in between: she is not as powerful as [[http://derpibooru.org/279517?scope=scpe359a49d793966475de3b68ad2dcd3e0b346d49a4 the most omnipotent fanfic and fanart portrayals]], but phrases like [[OhMyGods "Thank Celestia," "For Celestia's sake," and "As Celestia is my witness,]] [[GoneWithTheWind I'll never be]] ''x'' [[ShoutOut again!"]] used in the show make it very clear that fans are not coming up with the idea of her as a goddess out of nowhere.



** Because the show is full of {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s, a lot of popular minor characters have well-established fanmade personalities which to most fans may as well be canon. For example, longtime background pony Lyra Heartstrings is said to be obsessed with humans and human culture, when she has shown no such interests in the show. The one episode where she had a prominent speaking role, "Slice of Life," didn't have her mention humans at all.[[note]]That said, it did play up the very common ship between Lyra and Sweetie Drops/Bon Bon, whom Lyra is frequently paired with in the background.[[/note]]

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** Because the show is full of {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s, a lot of popular minor characters have well-established fanmade personalities which to most fans may as well be canon.canonical. For example, longtime background pony Lyra Heartstrings is said to be obsessed with humans and human culture, when she has shown no such interests in the show. The one episode where she had a prominent speaking role, "Slice of Life," didn't have her mention humans at all.[[note]]That said, it did play up the very common ship between Lyra and Sweetie Drops/Bon Bon, whom Lyra is frequently paired with in the background.[[/note]]
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** Virtually all art works, from paintings to film, have depicted all prophets and common people in The Bible as Caucasians, including a very blue eyed and blond Jesus Christ, despite the fact that most people in the Holy Land were of Jewish or Middle Eastern descent. Jesus is also usually portrayed as a man with long hair, a beard and a white dress to emphasize his IncorruptiblePurePureness, again something that isn't specificially described as such in the Bible. (The beard is historically likely, given that Jesus ''was'' Jewish and Jewish men of the era generally did have beards; the rest is just conjecture.)

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** Virtually all art works, from paintings to film, have depicted all prophets and common people in The Bible as Caucasians, of white European stock, including a very blue eyed and blond Jesus Christ, despite the fact that most people in the Holy Land were of Jewish or Middle Eastern descent. Jesus is also usually portrayed as a man with long hair, a beard and a white dress to emphasize his IncorruptiblePurePureness, again something that isn't specificially described as such in the Bible. (The beard is historically likely, given that Jesus ''was'' Jewish and Jewish men of the era generally did have beards; the rest is just conjecture.)
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