This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Rampant: Sorry if I am putting this on the wrong part of the page, my first time trying to discuss. I also am really confused by the emphatic multiple instances of "two seconds, that's what killed you light," since he was certainly guilty after Mikami called him god and failed to write his name, and they would have shot him as he tried to write on his hidden note no matter what. Is the logic that he could have escaped unshot due to Mikami's super bloody suicide?
Cambdoranononononono: Mikami's method of identifying Light as Kira would have brought him to that conclusion even if Light hadn't been Kira. Mikami identifying Light as "God" would have proven that owned a Death Note, but that was something that everyone already should have known — he inherited the one that Soichiro was using. It would have left holes, but it wouldn't have been immediately conclusive, which was Light's situation for much of the series in the first place. He probably wouldn't have immediately tried to kill them himself in that case; trying to kill Near was just a last-ditch effort after he had no other options. I added spoiler tags because the main pages use them. This maybe would work better in the It Just Bugs Me! page, though I guess it's about the commentary in the article.
puritybrown: There's a reference to Tsugumi Ohba as "she" — the other Wiki says Ohba's identity and gender are uncertain. Does some other troper know something Wikipedia doesn't?
bookhobbit: Could be, but probably not. Some people have a habit of referring to said manga-ka as "she" or "he".
Seth: Removed the attribution to I am justice because Light, L and Near all say it. Its kind of an Arc Word, only not.
Ununnilium: Ahhhhhhhhh.
Citizen: I am oh so tempted to give this entry a picture of Condoleezza Rice doctored to look like Rem, but perhaps that's going too far. =P In fact, I have a ton of amusing fake scans of the manga that would work, too. :3 And then I have one serious picture, a Death Note poster.
Not entirely sure how posting on wiki works, but I'd like to point out that L is officially in his 20's, not teens.
Ununnilium: That's fine, though you should sign your stuff, like so. ^_^v
Citizen: I'm not so sure Well-Intentioned Extremist belongs here period. It's kinda hard to say that Light has "good intentions" when the first episode makes clear that he intends to kill just about anyone (who harass, are immoral, etc) and set himself up as a god.
Ununnilium: But he honestly thinks that'll make the world better!
Citizen: ...Because then he'll be a god. =P Knight Templar alone covers Light better.
Ununnilium: True true.
Insanity Prelude: Light's in his 20s by the end of the series, yeah, but he starts out... 18, I think?
Captain Timesink: Blast you, TV Tropes, for introducing me to Death Note! I now check my local library's website almost as often as I check my email to see when I'm going to get the next volume. grrrrrrr!
Nlpnt: Not to be confused with Brown Note (serialized in Shonen Dump magazine).
Andrew: I'm not really an anime fan, and I've never seen this show. I don't know if it's good or bad or indifferent. And I'm not judging by asking this question. Still, having read this page I have to ask: how does the show establish tension? If Light can kill anyone he wants simply by writing their name in a notebook, how is he ever in danger? "Oh, Random Guy A is trying to track me down? Whatever will I do? Oh, wait, there's my pen..." Serious question.
Tanto: Most of Light's enemies use partial names or aliases. (The Death Note requires a full, correct name and a face to work.) In addition, Light is often put into situations where he can't directly kill his pursuers (or attempt to) without implicating himself.
Besides, Light isn't a particularly sympathetic character... the point of the series isn't "Ooh, how's he going to get out of this one?" but rather "Who's going outsmart the others, and how?" It's rather like watching a sporting event where you don't care about the outcome; you just want to see a good game.
Charred Knight: As Tanto already said, once they figure out that Light needs to know the name, they all began using aliases. An example is Near, the guy who caught Kira's real name is Nate River.
GentlemensDame883: No mention of the films?
fanboymaster: This troper personally doesn't like them because they try to make it more clear cut good vs. evil in his opinion, might just be him though.
Antheia: While Light may once have been paired with his own sister
), he is with few exceptions paired with L, at least in Fan Art. I don't think he fits the Little Black Dress definition. Actually, L himself may be more of an LBD than Light, but neither really is one (to most people).
Insanity Prelude: If anyone, it's probably Mello. And even that's doubtful.
Bud0011 and Friends: suggestion for Five-Man Band for Death Note.
Character - Role
- Light - Sixth Column
- L - Hero
- Soichiro - The Lancer / Straight Man
- Matsuda - The Chick
- Mogi - The Big Guy
- Aizawa - The Smart Guy
- Misa - Team Pet
- Watari - Mentors
Insanity Prelude: L's the Smart Guy. Aizawa, I'm not sure if you'd put him as the Hero or the Lancer- possibly Soichiro as the Hero and Aizawa as the Lancer.
Antheia: Cut:
- Adaptation Decay: this contributor hated the movies.
Complaining About Shows You Dont Like much?
Guildenstern: Yup, that's what I do.
DomaDoma: DZ Hater, meet me after school. Kira debate, my discussion page (as you don't have one). I can promise you I will hardly confine my arguments to the personal matters.
EDIT: On second thought, I'm not totally sure you're reading this, and will make a discussion page for you.
Charred Knight: Removed the Sub elitism
Tanto: Now, what the hell was wrong with the dub? They didn't cut anything. They didn't change anything. The translation was exact, almost irritatingly so. The voice talent ranged from okay (Light, the police) to great (L and Ryuk).
I don't get how people can get so worked up about this stuff. 4Kids properties, sure, those're bowdlerized. But Death Note? Because they said "Exactly as planned" instead of "Just as planned"? No way.
Insanity Prelude: For once, I agree with Tanto. And L's voice makes me happy.
"Just as planned" has more of a ring to it though, don't you think?
Bookhobbit: True, true. For me Near's voice more than makes up for it.
Antheia: Removed:
- Narm: The whole anime is so Narm, with Mikami killing himself with a pen and splashing blood like a steam pipe. To excuse, the manga got it right, with a more serious and realistic tone.
The Rule Of Cautious Editing - you might want to try it.
K: Is there a trope for Hal's relationship with Near and Mello? I don't think it's quite Double Agent, because both Near and Mello are well aware she associates with the other, and it isn't quite The Mole or Reverse Mole, because she isn't working against either one.
CS: There should be Double Mole.
Air Of Mystery: Is there a trope about how things can achieve a different sense in another culture? I was thinking about how Light says he'll be "the god of this new world" - effective enough in Shinto, where there are several gods, but really, really effective in a predominantly Christian (or at least monotheistic) society like America, where deciding you're going to be God (as in Jahweh) has more weight.
Insanity Prelude: Cut the Crapsack World bit, because Crapsack World is specifically a parody trope in the description. And, okay, the example as written was a bit... I'm not sure what word to use here.
Either World Half Empty or Sick Sad World would probably be more accurate, but even with the Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions at hand I'm not completely sure which one it is.
Haven: ..."Backyard Bottomslash"?
Just finished watching this show and I now have a bit of a bone to pick with a couple of the entries on this page. In a few of them, Light is reprimanded for tipping his hand a little early at the end of the series ("two seconds more, Light!!"), but really, that only served to damn him further. The fact that Mikami didn't write his name in the notebook was enough to convict him (and I believe Near or Aizawa mention this, as well).
I'm not entirely sure about the "Misaimed Fandom" tag. It seems to me like you could agree with his original ideal on a personal basis, and the makers intended that. Although his methods ended up out of whack, I think the creators intended for his motive to make sense to begin with...
Or maybe I'm just being weird that the ending where they jump to the future and everything is back to normal made me a little sad...
Removed this:
- Double Standard: Light can date and use all the girls he wants in his plans and fandom rarely blinks an eyelid, but Misa sets her attention on him and she's a WHORE by default.
Who says the character is a "WHORE?"
Thinks Too Much: Removed this:
- Pure Is Not Good: Light is a straight-up Villain Protagonist, and anyone who will tell you otherwise is a fangirl Distracted by the Sexy
BritBllt: Just a little bit of praise for the Abraham Lincoln and the Rule One quote at the top of the page. Side by side like that, they gave me a chill just reading them, and together they explain the theme and situation in Death Note perfectly.
Cambdoranononononono: Removed for the following reasons:
- Nietzsche Wannabe: I suppose you could argue that common usage has caused this to slip into a more general description, but the intended defining point of this trope is someone who utterly believes that life is pointless. Light might be unscrupulous and think of himself as above conventional morality, but his attempts to enforce an extremely strict moral code move him into a category that's almost directly opposed to the trope.
- Not-So-Imaginary Friend: Refers to a specific plot involving trying to convince other people that the 'friend' is real. In the case, it's just By the Eyes of the Blind.
I'm a little iffy on the Sarcastic Confession bit — as I recall, L was partly trying to demonstrate the validity of his own speculations about Light — but I don't remember it well enough personally to remove it without confirmation.
Color-Coded for Your Convenience:The Live-Action Adaptation contains a subtle Shout-Out to this: at the end of the first movie, as L and Light face each other in person for the first time, L is standing in a shaft of blue light, while Light is standing in orange.
This seems rather unlikely, since the movies were released before the anime. Remove?
BritBllt: I think the entry's just using Shout-Out the wrong way. Color-Coded for Your Convenience refers to giving general colors to good and evil, and if the movie had them in those shafts of light, it'd still fit the trope. I'll amend to remove the "subtle Shout-Out" part, since like you said, the movie came first.
BritBllt: Dunno when it got deleted, but restoring this quote...
—Abraham Lincoln
So that the top reads...
—Abraham Lincoln
—Rule #1 of the Death Note
The combination of those two quotes sums up Death Note perfectly: a general, academic quote about the temptation of power, followed by an in-universe quote of exactly what kind of power the Death Note offers. I've rarely seen two quotes compliment each other so well, and it's a shame to lose the effect.
The Weirdo: Someone HAS to create a music video of Death Note to the tune of "As someday it may happen" from Gilbert & Sullivan...
Never mind, found it.
Mark Lungo: To Brannock, concerning your edit of 16 February 2010: The pic caption was changed because the quotation that "didn't make sense" was a lyric from "What's Up People?", the second theme song.
Brannock: I see. My bad, I generally don't listen to OP songs.
Mark Lungo: So would you mind if I changed it back?
Mark Lungo: "Near (who was already somewhat evil when he got [the Death Note])". I don't agree with this at all. Near is far from perfect, but on the evil scale, he doesn't even rate next to Light, Mikami or Mello. Anyone mind if I rewrite this?
