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Fragmaster01: Removed this Final Fantasy entry:
- Final Fantasy - It was thought that Final Fantasy I was going to be the last game Squaresoft made due to impending bankruptcy, so it made sense for the first game. It makes less sense when applied to a series going on it's thirteenth installment. Not counting its legion of spin offs and remakes.
...because someone didn't notice there was already one there.
Trogga: What?
Sequel Title Dissonance launched as Artifact Title: From YKTTW
... What? Ultima 3 inspired Final Fantasy? I... don't believe it. Because its very much more D&D then anything Ultima. -Nerem
Servbot: Maybe the troper's confusing Final Fantasy with Dragon Quest?
Servbot: Removed this addition to the Nanoha entry:
- Second season? Try the second episode. She openly wonders what the deal with the nonsensical "Lyrical" part and never uses it again.
Remember the training sequence in the first episode of the second season? Remember how she started it off with "Lyrical Magical"?
Malicious Illusion: Yeah, I just started rewatching the series yesterday and realized that I'd got that wrong in a big way. Thanks for correcting me there.
Burai: Removed ...
- There wasn't really any war going on in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.
... because obviously the contributer missed the whole blockade and massive robot invasion which bookends the film. It wasn't
much of a war, but it was still a war.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Cut and placed here until someone explains how this is either a reasonable example or a reasonable subversion. As it stands, there are too many justifying edits, especially for those of us who don't speak Japanese.
- Futari Wa Pretty Cure makes sense, as there are two of them (as "futari" actually means "two persons", not simply "we"). They kept this for the direct sequel, as the third girl isn't actually a Pretty Cure; this is fine. The first Alternate Continuity, Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash*Star, starts off with two girls, but then it co-opts their Dark Magical Girl Evil Counterparts, making four. Said Sixth Rangers got no merchandise, so this was also fine. The third universe, though, starts out with five girls; they finally gave up and called it Yes! Precure 5.
Arutema: Removed "
Metal Gear Solid 4 is also the first to introduce a mecha with no Metal Gear name, while not introducing a new Metal Gear model at all.", Snake's
Robot Buddy is named Metal Gear MK II.
Vampire Buddha: removed this:
* Come to think of it, Buffy really didn't spend much time slaying vampires after the first couple of seasons (having upgraded to demons as her primary opponents).
Even though demons take over the majority of the plot, if this is the Buffy I'm thinking of, she still killed a few vampires in most episodes of the show right up to the end.
BritBllt: Removing this one...
- Some people will try to be witty and point out that most of the characters on Lost were rescued from the island halfway through the series, and in season 5, a scientific method of pinpointing the island's location was revealed. However, they fail to realize that the show's title actually refers to the fact that each character was metaphorically "lost" in their lives prior to crashing on the island—and a major theme in seasons 4 and 5 is the fact that the rescued characters are no better off in the real world than they were on the island. Also, during season 5, many of the main characters were more literally "lost" in the past.
For one thing, If the name's still relevant to the show, than it's not a trope example and shouldn't be on the page. But it sounds to me more like this is a preemptive Justifying Edit by someone who can't stomach the thought that anyone in the future might even try to add Lost to the page, and it's bad for all the reasons Justifying Edits in general are bad. An entry for Lost could probably stand to be added, and it could point out that the title still works on a metaphorical level, but it really needs a less defensive tone.
Vampire Buddha: Took out a whole pile of crap.
Incomprehensible
- Minnesota is the land of "10,000 Lakes" (just look at their license plates). Hence, the NBA's
Minneapolis Los Angeles Lakers
- New Orleans is the birthplace of modern jazz, hence the
New Orleans Utah Jazz.
- Can you think of a more ludicrous city-nickname juxtaposition than "Utah Jazz"? Even joking around, there's not one more ridiculous or silly than that.
- Last I checked, Utah was a state, not a city. But yes.
- Charlotte is popularly known as "The Hornet's Nest," hence the
Charlotte New Orleans Hornets. The NBA isn't great at this.
- The Cardinal is the State Bird of Illinois, hence the
Chicago St. Louis Arizona Cardinals. At least the NFL changed the names of most other teams that moved to cities where their names no longer made much sense.
- Although it isn't always timely about it. The former Houston Oilers were the Tennessee Oilers for two years before adopting the name Titans.
- The Cardinals were never named for the State Bird (or birds at all). They took the name after they bought some very red used uniforms from a local university.
- The burning of Atlanta in the American Civil War inspired the name of the NHL's
Atlanta Calgary Flames.
- The motto of Minnesota, "The Star of the North", was used for the
Minnesota North Dallas Stars.
- Admittedly, that one still works as Dallas is in the "Lone Star" state.
Not examples
- The
Seattle Sonics recently moved to Oklahoma City. They were named for the supersonic jets manufactured in Seattle. Thankfully they didn't also get the women's team: the Seattle Storm.
- Averted: They are now the Oklahoma City Thunder, which maybe references the thunderstorms the Oklahoma City area often brews up.
- "Sonics" was an artifact name even while the team was Seattle; the planes in question were never actually built.
- The "Gotta Catch 'Em All" catchphrase of the Pokémon series fell by the wayside pretty quickly; only a few Hasbro toys use it now. It's pretty obvious Ash isn't going to catch nearly 500 monsters at any point in time, especially due to the sheer number he's encountered but not bothered to capture, and the number of mon he's released into the wild, which actual players nearly never do, not to mention that Nintendo keeps adding new ones. There's also the fact that capturing certain ones that are depicted as forces of nature is supposed to be immoral (which doesn't stop anyone in the games). In the games, the name is still appropriate, though the focus now appears to be more on battling as online trading may make the game too easy.
- In Japan however, the equivalent Catchphrase "Minna no Pokemon, GET da ze!" ("Gotta GET all the Pokemon!") has remained in use for the entirety of the series' run.
- Gotta Catch 'Em All has now been changed to Can You Catch 'Em All?, an allusion to the sheer number of monsters, and just how Nintendo Hard catching them all can be, and how much effort it would take to get them all the proper way.
"Gotta catch 'em all" isn't part of the title.
- And of course, The Legend Of Zelda.
- She may not be the main character, but she is present in all the games so far, save Majora's Mask (where she make a brief appearance in a flashback) and Link's Awakening.
- She might as well be gone for most of the games. A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and The Wind Waker are the only games where she has huge impact on the plot, off the top of this editor's head. Hell, she was asleep during the second game!
- Um, she's also pretty damned important in Twilight Princess. Just ask Midna.
- The second game actually averts this, as the backstory for it revolved around the titular "Legend of Zelda," and neatly explains why every princess is named Zelda. It's All There in the Manual.
- Somewhat ironic, since the second game is the only one in the entire series that doesn't include the words "The Legend of Zelda" in the title. Its full title is Zelda II: The Adventure of Link.
- The way I always thought of it, it's called The Legend of Zelda since she's typically the object of the quest - take the legend of the Holy Grail for a real-world mythology equivalent. Doesn't quite fit for spinoffs like Majora's Mask, but... you know.
- Metroid is getting dangerously close, seeing as the name-giving parasites have been almost wiped out by the second game. However, with the exception of the mediocre sidegame Hunters, the species appears in all games with at least some relevance, and the lore also stated that Metroid means "Ultimate Warrior" in the Chozo language and thus also refers to Samus.
- Plus, now she has genes from the actual species, too. Not that they're in any hurry to release games taking place after she gets them, of course.
- The Metroid Prime subseries probably qualifies as well, given that the first game features the titular Metroid Prime as the final boss, and while said final boss evolves into Dark Samus in the 100% Completion secret ending of the first game, there are no in-game hints as to Dark Samus' true identity (or any references to Metroid Prime at all) in Metroid Prime 2 or 3.
- Not quite. At the end of Prime 3 (When you probably stopped scanning due to your impending doom,) a chunk of the Infant Leviathan's cocoon possesses "similarities to the creature you fought in the crater on Tallon IV". I suppose you're technically right, because it doesn't mention it by name.
- In Scandinavia, ginger bread is called "pepper cakes". Only some early recipes used pepper, and they are always cookies or house-shaped.
- Though the Swedish word "kaka" can mean both "cookie" and "cake", so the second thing is nothing strange.
Natter
- Didn't Pete Abrams once say that 'sluggy' referred to the problems of telling a continuing story on a webcomic that updates daily (i.e., slowly)?
- Although the "characterized by or expressing spontaneous, direct feeling" definition of lyrical does seem to fit her rather well.
- Not to mention that Nanoha could hardly be considered a "girl" anymore, and the franchise has started shifting focus away from Nanoha herself. To wit, there are two fourth seasons, ViVid and Force, that are running concurrently as of this writing, and neither one of them has Nanoha as the main protagonist.
- Although Alpha makes several more trips to Yokohama, and two later chapters (including the last one) are named "Yokohama Shopping Trip".
- In the seasons with less than seven human rebels the computers ORAC, ZEN and/or SLAVE are said to make up the seven.
- At no point did the team ever have more than six human (or humanoid) members, and the sentient computers were explicitly stated to count as part of the seven. In fact, it had exactly seven at almost all times; the only exception was the first five episodes of Season 2, when the addition of Orac made them a team of eight until Gan died in "Pressure Point".
- Although they are shown teaching new residents each season.
- If the rumors about the new season are true, and it'll take place in a medical school, than the title will apply once again.
- And of course by now it crosses the trope with Zeerust.
- Ben's full name is Benjamin Tennyson, so that's what Ben Ten is supposed to signify now, dumb as it sounds. The surname was established in the first season, probably as a convenient excuse to fall back on when they started adding monsters, which started early in season two.
- Ben 10 Alien Force knocked the Omnitrix back down to 10 (completely new) aliens again, so there ya go. It's then revealed that the Omnitrix has DNA samples from over one million different races as it was meant to restore life to races that were wiped out. The thing normally gives access to sets of just ten at once to make it easier to operate, but the guy that made it temporarily voice activated, giving him access to everyone who's name he knew, after which it's changed to another new set of 10.
- Somewhat retconned in the new season it would seem. Ben has the Alien Force 10, plus the ones he's seen using in last season's finale: Cannonbolt, Way Big, and Upchuck. And regains Diamondhead as part of the season premiere.
- At least, between Ben's forms, Kevin and Gwen's powers, and all the other -actual aliens- they've befriended, the 'Alien Force' part still fits?
- Lampshaded in the North America teaser for Dissidia: Final Fantasy. "Fantasy Is Endless" & "Fantasy Has No Limited Form" are just a hair's away from "Fantasy Is Never Final."
- This Troper has heard that the "Final" was a takeoff on the name of the Ultima games; Ultima 3 heavily influenced the first Final Fantasy and by extension most Japanese RPGs since.
- Of course, the in-game explanation to the title is that the ultimate goal of the protagonists (of only the first game, So Yeah) is to end the Stable Time Loop of the Big Bad, Garland, marking the last iteration of his "fantasy". You didn't think they'd release something as simply "Our Last Game", did you?
- Gallows Humor, my boy. On a related note, "Final" (as in, the English word) is also used in Japan as meaning "ultimate" (eg, the "Final" version). Hence the double-meaning in titles such as GaoGaiGar FINAL, which is not only the last installment of the GaoGaiGar arc of the Brave Corps series, but is called FINAL to indicate its sheer overthetopitude.
- Overthetopitude?
- Averted with Final Fantasy Tactics A 2, a sequel to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance; they removed the Advance from the title, leaving the full title as "A2".
- The ICBMG in Portable Ops was allegedly built using Granin's original design, and could walk (well, hobble), with the rocket being used to move it into strike range. And Solid has relevance beyond Solid Snake. Solid geometry refers to a three-dimensional shapes. And the first 3D Metal Gear game was Metal Gear Solid. Plus the original Metal Gear Solid was the third game in the series, following Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2.
- For that matter, many Star Wars Expanded Universe media don't feature any wars, and sometimes, no stars (by being set on one planet).
- However, Icewind Dale 1, its expansion, and Icewind Dale 2, all built on the same engine as Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, take place entirely in (with the exception of a couple of segments in the second game which take place in the Underdark below Icewind Dale), and are solely concerned with, the titular dale.
- Shin Megami Tensei games may not involve the reincarnation of a goddess, but it's a staple of the games to have at least one strong female character who is integral to the plot, and who may die (and be resurrected) at least once. To wit: Heroine in Shin Megami Tensei I, Hiroko in Shin Megami Tensei II, Yuko in Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, Sera in Digital Devil Saga (who actually becomes God), Nemissa in Soul Hackers, Maki in Persona, Maya in Persona 2, Kaya in Raidou Kuzunoha Vs The Soulless Army...
- And then the Big Bads in Persona 3 and Persona 4 are both goddesses which have reincarnated in some sense either during or shortly before the story.
- Its better than the working title, Super Mario 64 x 4
- Likewise, Guitar Hero is a real term, which the game's title was derived from. Band Hero and DJ Hero... not so much. They just sound silly.
- One of them pops up in the Thieves Guild quest line in Oblivion, which This Troper found to be more entertaining than the main story line.
- Of course, Vol. 4 is titled simply "TMNT", so technically the "Teenage" part isn't there anymore.
- In book one, they lived in a boxcar.
- Their guardian had it moved to his estate so they could use it as a sort of clubhouse after they moved in with him.
