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*** [[spoiler: In \\\"The Evil Queen\\\", she has a village destroyed and all it\\\'s inhabitants slaughtered back in the Enchanted Forest. And even though she looks as if she just realizes what she asked when she finds them before the apple incident, in the present, she\\\'s planning on doing the same to Storybrooke and all the people in it, and \\\'\\\'mind-wipes Henry\\\'\\\' of this plan so that he won\\\'t try to stop her. This also ends up directly enabling Tamara and Greg\\\'s MoralEventHorizon of doing the same thing, making Regina doubly guilty.]]
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[[folder: Rumplestiltskin]] Like for Regina, there is no fan consensus on [[JerkassWoobie whether]] [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he]] [[LoveMartyr is]] [[NobleDemon redeemable]] [[LackOfEmpathy or]] [[ForTheEvulz is]] [[ButForMeItWasTuesday not]].
*** [[spoiler:Creating the damn curse to start with may qualify. While wanting to find his son is a sympathetic FreudianExcuse, ruining the lives of all around him to do so is just heinous, and even more when you realize there were other ways in 2x04 and he used the curse because it allowed him to keep his powers]].
*** What makes all this even worse is that, when [[spoiler: his son returns]], he is happy spending his time with Belle. He doesn\\\'t visit him, try to repair the damage he caused or learn more about his grandson. To be fair, he has been shown spending a lot of time watching his son. Given how things played out in \\\"Manhattan\\\", maybe Gold doesn\\\'t know how to talk to his son.
*** Later, encouraging Regina to [[spoiler: kill her own father]].He starts by grasping her throat as if he was going to strangle her, then giggles through his whole rant, probably rejoicing because [[spoiler: poor Henry ended up with the woman he loved in the past]].
*** In \\\'\\\'The Price Of Gold\\\'\\\', killing an innocent, benevolent woman whose job is to make desperate people happy \\\'\\\'without\\\'\\\' hidden side-consequences. This means he may have put thousands of {{Happy Ending}}s into jeopardy, when he could have just \\\'\\\'locked her somewhere\\\'\\\'. Then, manipulating Ashley and trying to insult the memory of a beloved character whom, on a meta-level he cheated of her usual importance.
*** What Rumplestiltskin did to [[spoiler:[[CorruptTheCutie Regina]], as shown in \\\"We Are Both\\\" and onward. While Cora started Regina down the road to darkness, Rumple made damn sure she continued down it, but [[{{Hypocrite}} he always insisted that the choice was hers, and that it was her fault, not his]]. Made worse by the fact that this may still be RevengeByProxy on Cora.]]
*** Torturing Robin Hood. He hurts him and heals him, just because he feels some perverse satisfaction in punishing others for challenging a power they can\\\'t handle. Made better by letting Robin Hood go after Rumple found out Robin Hood wanted the magic wand to save his pregnant wife. Belle evens [[LampshadeHanging calls him out]] on it.
*** Later on, trying to harm Henry, [[spoiler: his son\\\'s son]], without concern for Neal\\\'s happiness, or any demonstration of remorse, just out of self-preservation. [[spoiler: Made better by his rescue attempt afterwards.]]
*** To start with a disagreeable pattern, [[spoiler:ripping out Milah\\\'s heart]], whatever your opinion on whether [[spoiler:she had a right to seek her own happiness or should have stayed with a family who loved her]]. Though that one can also come across as a crime of passion and he really only begins to lose control when he calls her out for abandoning Bae.
** \\\'\\\'\\\'King George\\\'\\\'\\\':
*** He \\\'\\\'dove\\\'\\\' over this line in \\\"Child Of The Moon\\\" by [[spoiler:killing a man in cold blood, framing his murder on the innocent (and already guilt-ridden) Ruby, almost killing her, and then destroying the Mad Hatter\\\'s hat (which, in Storybrooke, is the only known way to get Emma and Snow back)]], all in the name of a grudge on \\\'\\\'[[RevengeByProxy Charming]]\\\'\\\', not even any of the people that he screwed over during the episode!
*** Imprisoning Charming and attempting to have him executed just because he didn\\\'t go along with his ArrangedMarriage, and then cursing Snow to a childless life. EvilIsPetty, indeed. Oh, and he [[spoiler:killed his mother.]]
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[[folder: Hook]]
*** [[spoiler:Attempting to kill Belle, simply because she was of no use to him. Also then later shooting Belle and letting her fall over the Storybrooke line so she\\\'d lose her memories was a real dick move. Though by then it\\\'s become apparent Hook is more interested in making Rumple miserable and some kind of inverted SuicideByCop, at least since he can\\\'t kill him.]]
*** Some Sleeping Hook shippers were put off by Hook [[spoiler:stealing Aurora\\\'s heart [[KickTheDog while she was unconscious]]. Some viewers \\\'\\\'started\\\'\\\' shipping the two because of that scene. Some consider this a subversion, as Hook also ends up [[PetTheDog saving her heart]] when it\\\'s about to be lost forever.]]
*** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew.]][[/folder]]
[[folder: Zelena]]
([[TheWonderfulWizardOfOz Wicked Witch of the West]])
*** [[spoiler: Turning the Wizard of Oz into her first Flying Monkey, though it was borderline [[KickTheSonOfABitch]]. Sending him to \\\"[[ShapeshiftingLover divert]]\\\" Emma (though said monkey \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' originally human, neither of them seems to have had full knowledge of their actions, paralleling Graham.)]]
*** [[spoiler: Caging an obviously insane and tortured Rumple, and forcing Rumple to attack Belle using the dagger, after giving her a Hope Spot]].
*** [[spoiler: The above is topped later when she forces him to threaten Robin Hood\\\'s son, a CHILD.]]
*** [[spoiler: Setting up Baelfire to be killed, and then torturing Rumple and Emma with it]].
*** [[spoiler: Planning to unmake all of reality and the timeline so Cora will keep her, proving to be just as ruthless as her mother in her devotion to attaining her goals]].
*** [[spoiler: And, to top the list, kidnapping a newborn baby to use in her time-travel spell, which may or may not have killed it.]][[/folder]]
So then. Keeping in mind that the MoralEventHorizon can only be crossed once, what is the first, worst crime Regina et al committed? Discuss.
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[[folder: Rumplestiltskin]] Like for Regina, there is no fan consensus on [[JerkassWoobie whether]] [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he]] [[LoveMartyr is]] [[NobleDemon redeemable]] [[LackOfEmpathy or]] [[ForTheEvulz is]] [[ButForMeItWasTuesday not]].
*** [[spoiler:Creating the damn curse to start with may qualify. While wanting to find his son is a sympathetic FreudianExcuse, ruining the lives of all around him to do so is just heinous, and even more when you realize there were other ways in 2x04 and he used the curse because it allowed him to keep his powers]].
*** What makes all this even worse is that, when [[spoiler: his son returns]], he is happy spending his time with Belle. He doesn\\\'t visit him, try to repair the damage he caused or learn more about his grandson. To be fair, he has been shown spending a lot of time watching his son. Given how things played out in \\\"Manhattan\\\", maybe Gold doesn\\\'t know how to talk to his son.
*** Later, encouraging Regina to [[spoiler: kill her own father]].He starts by grasping her throat as if he was going to strangle her, then giggles through his whole rant, probably rejoicing because [[spoiler: poor Henry ended up with the woman he loved in the past]].
*** In \\\'\\\'The Price Of Gold\\\'\\\', killing an innocent, benevolent woman whose job is to make desperate people happy \\\'\\\'without\\\'\\\' hidden side-consequences. This means he may have put thousands of {{Happy Ending}}s into jeopardy, when he could have just \\\'\\\'locked her somewhere\\\'\\\'. Then, manipulating Ashley and trying to insult the memory of a beloved character whom, on a meta-level he cheated of her usual importance.
*** What Rumplestiltskin did to [[spoiler:[[CorruptTheCutie Regina]], as shown in \\\"We Are Both\\\" and onward. While Cora started Regina down the road to darkness, Rumple made damn sure she continued down it, but [[{{Hypocrite}} he always insisted that the choice was hers, and that it was her fault, not his]]. Made worse by the fact that this may still be RevengeByProxy on Cora.]]
*** Torturing Robin Hood. He hurts him and heals him, just because he feels some perverse satisfaction in punishing others for challenging a power they can\\\'t handle. Made better by letting Robin Hood go after Rumple found out Robin Hood wanted the magic wand to save his pregnant wife. Belle evens [[LampshadeHanging calls him out]] on it.
*** Later on, trying to harm Henry, [[spoiler: his son\\\'s son]], without concern for Neal\\\'s happiness, or any demonstration of remorse, just out of self-preservation. [[spoiler: Made better by his rescue attempt afterwards.]]
*** To start with a disagreeable pattern, [[spoiler:ripping out Milah\\\'s heart]], whatever your opinion on whether [[spoiler:she had a right to seek her own happiness or should have stayed with a family who loved her]]. Though that one can also come across as a crime of passion and he really only begins to lose control when he calls her out for abandoning Bae.
** \\\'\\\'\\\'King George\\\'\\\'\\\':
*** He \\\'\\\'dove\\\'\\\' over this line in \\\"Child Of The Moon\\\" by [[spoiler:killing a man in cold blood, framing his murder on the innocent (and already guilt-ridden) Ruby, almost killing her, and then destroying the Mad Hatter\\\'s hat (which, in Storybrooke, is the only known way to get Emma and Snow back)]], all in the name of a grudge on \\\'\\\'[[RevengeByProxy Charming]]\\\'\\\', not even any of the people that he screwed over during the episode!
*** Imprisoning Charming and attempting to have him executed just because he didn\\\'t go along with his ArrangedMarriage, and then cursing Snow to a childless life. EvilIsPetty, indeed. Oh, and he [[spoiler:killed his mother.]]
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[[folder: Hook]]
*** [[spoiler:Attempting to kill Belle, simply because she was of no use to him. Also then later shooting Belle and letting her fall over the Storybrooke line so she\\\'d lose her memories was a real dick move. Though by then it\\\'s become apparent Hook is more interested in making Rumple miserable and some kind of inverted SuicideByCop, at least since he can\\\'t kill him.]]
*** Some Sleeping Hook shippers were put off by Hook [[spoiler:stealing Aurora\\\'s heart [[KickTheDog while she was unconscious]]. Some viewers \\\'\\\'started\\\'\\\' shipping the two because of that scene. Some consider this a subversion, as Hook also ends up [[PetTheDog saving her heart]] when it\\\'s about to be lost forever.]]
*** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew.]][[/folder]]
[[folder: Zelena]]
([[TheWonderfulWizardOfOz Wicked Witch of the West]])
*** [[spoiler: Turning the Wizard of Oz into her first Flying Monkey, though it was borderline [[KickTheSonOfABitch]]. Sending him to \\\"[[ShapeshiftingLover divert]]\\\" Emma (though said monkey \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' originally human, neither of them seems to have had full knowledge of their actions, paralleling Graham.)]]
*** [[spoiler: Caging an obviously insane and tortured Rumple, and forcing Rumple to attack Belle using the dagger, after giving her a Hope Spot]].
*** [[spoiler: The above is topped later when she forces him to threaten Robin Hood\\\'s son, a CHILD.]]
*** [[spoiler: Setting up Baelfire to be killed, and then torturing Rumple and Emma with it]].
*** [[spoiler: Planning to unmake all of reality and the timeline so Cora will keep her, proving to be just as ruthless as her mother in her devotion to attaining her goals]].
*** [[spoiler: And, to top the list, kidnapping a newborn baby to use in her time-travel spell, which may or may not have killed it.]][[/folder]]
So then. Keeping in mind that the MoralEventHorizon can only be crossed once, what is the first, worst crime Regina et al committed? Discuss.
