Discussion History Characters / TheFollowing

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming ANY emotional attachments beyond that seen between an owner and a possession , Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLoveOnes]] in his own twisted way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over having sex with her because he fears it will jeopardize his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming ANY emotional attachments beyond that seen between an owner and a possession (i.e: one based \\\'\\\'entirely\\\'\\\' on utility and convenience), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own twisted way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over having sex with her because he fears it will jeopardize his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming ANY emotional attachments beyond that seen between an owner and a possession (i.e: one based \\\'\\\'entirely\\\'\\\' on utility and convenience), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over having sex with her because he fears it will jeopardize his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments beyond that seen between an owner and a possession (i.e: one based \\\'\\\'entirely\\\'\\\' on utility and convenience), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over having sex with her because he fears it will jeopardize his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: one based entirely on utility and convenience), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over having sex with her because he fears it will jeopardize his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: one based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over having sex with her because he fears it will jeopardize his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over having sex with her because he fears it will jeopardize his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will jeopardize his attempt to rekindle his relationship Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will jeopardize his attempt to rekindle his relationship Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not appear to qualify as an example of TheSociopath pursuant to its trope page.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will jeopardize his attempt to rekindle his relationship Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Based on this evidence, he does not seen to qualify as a TheSociopath for purposes of the trope.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will jeopardize his attempt to rekindle his relationship Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father. Consequently, he does not qualify for purposes of TheSociopath as a trope.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will jeopardize his attempt to rekindle his relationship Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father. Consequently, he does not qualify for purposes of this trope

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will jeopardize his attempt to rekindle his relationship Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love), Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will jeopardize his attempt to rekindle his relationship Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an \\\'\\\'\\\'essential\\\'\\\'\\\' part of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed ( into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love, Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will permanently ruin his efforts to rekindle his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an integral component of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed ( into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

Whereas [[TheSociopath The Sociopath\\\'s]] \\\"Shallow Affect\\\" renders him/her incapable of forming emotional attachments to anyone or anything beyond that seen between an owner and possession (i.e: a relationship based entirely on utility and convenience rather than genuine love, Joe does in fact [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care for his family]] in his own self-centered way]]. This is made most evident in Season 1 by his heartfelt (albeit parasitic and delusional) attempts to reconcile with his family on his own terms. After having his wife,Claire, brought to the cult compound, he ultimately relents to her demand that he show her their son upon being convinced that she will continue to view him with revulsion and hatred until he does so. Similarly, despite being attracted to Emma on a \\\'\\\'physical\\\'\\\' level, he constantly expresses discomfort and guilt over his sexual relationship with her because he fears it will permanently ruin his efforts to rekindle his relationship with Claire whom he views along with his son, Joey, as an integral component of his existence. Additionally, whereas [[TheSociopath TheSociopath]] is incapable of experiencing shame, Joe is revealed in Season 2 to have lapsed (albeit temporarily) into a deep depression after coming to the realization that he is not only a terrible writer but a failure as a husband and father.

While Joe Carroll is undoubtedly an evil and [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] monster, this in itself is not sufficient for him to qualify as an example of TheSociopath. In order for a character to qualify, the trope page for TheSociopath specifies that he/she must satisfy \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the following prerequisites: (1) Lack of Empathy and Shame, (2) Consummate Liar and Manipulator, (3)Shallow Affect (4)Poor Impulse Control, (5) Need for Stimulation and a (6) Grandiose Sense of Self-Worth.