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Since you\\\'re focusing on mainstream American media, then I\\\'ll mention a few film and American TV examples that are already listed this very page made in the [=2000s=] so you can read this page for details and I won\\\'t have to repeat them:
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way--one of the traits listed in the trope description. I\\\'m even kind of insulted you think such a portrayal is a \\\'\\\'positive\\\'\\\' example of an atheist.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way--one of the traits listed in the trope description. I\\\'m even kind of insulted you think such a portrayal is a \\\'\\\'positive\\\'\\\' example of an atheist.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
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Since your issue is with the \
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Since your issue is with the \\\"Hollywood\\\" part, then I\\\'ll mention a few film and American TV examples that are already listed this very page made in the [=2000s=] so you can read this page for details and I won\\\'t have to repeat them:
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way--one of the traits listed in the trope description. I\\\'m even kind of insulted you think such a portrayal is a \\\'\\\'positive\\\'\\\' example of an atheist.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way--one of the traits listed in the trope description. I\\\'m even kind of insulted you think such a portrayal is a \\\'\\\'positive\\\'\\\' example of an atheist.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
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Since your issue is with the \
to:
Since your issue is with the \\\"Hollywood\\\" part, then I\\\'ll mention a few film and American TV examples that are already listed this very page made in the [=2000s=] so you can read this page for details and I won\\\'t have to repeat them:
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way--one of the traits listed in the trope description.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way--one of the traits listed in the trope description.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
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Since your issue is with the \
to:
Since your issue is with the \\\"Hollywood\\\" part, then I\\\'ll mention a few film and American TV examples that are already listed this very page made in the [=2000s=] so you can read this page for details and I won\\\'t have to repeat them:
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I in no way addressed your point on the trope\\\'s name and was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Since your issue is with the \
to:
Since your issue is with the \\\"Hollywood\\\" part, then I\\\'ll mention a few film and American TV examples that are already listed this very page made in the [=2000s=] so you can read this page for details and I won\\\'t have to repeat them:
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
*\\\'\\\'Signs\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'The Island\\\'\\\' (2005)
*\\\'\\\'Knowing\\\'\\\' (2009)
*\\\'\\\'The Bucket List\\\'\\\' (2007)
*\\\'\\\'The Rite\\\'\\\' (2011)
*\\\'\\\'The Mentalist\\\'\\\' (2008-still running)
*\\\'\\\'House\\\'\\\' (No, he is not a positive portrayal. Just because he has redeeming qualities doesn\\\'t change the fact that he\\\'s an asshole, or that his atheism is presented in an assholish \\\"I\\\'m right, you\\\'re wrong, fuck you\\\" way.)
*\\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' (2002)
*\\\'\\\'Scrubs\\\'\\\' (2001-2010)
Also, I have to address the fact that you think this trope only applies to \\\"positive\\\" or \\\"negative\\\" portrayals. How positive or negative the creator who uses these stereotypes does not matter--this trope is about characters constructed to the basic structure as out lined in the trope page: (1) They are in some way bitter and cynical, sometimes extremely so; (2) something bad \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' have happened to make them atheist, they can never have just come upon it through their own choice and reasoning; and (3) they have one or more of the character traits as listed in the trope description. Whether the character is a villain or not, whether atheism is being condemned or not, does not matter. If he fits the stereotype, then he is a HollywoodAtheist.
And that\\\'s it. So what about Christianity also being stereotyped? We have Strawman tropes about that too, and that has no bearing on this discussion. Nor does Christianity being stereotyped itself somehow mean that atheists being stereotyped is suddenly lessened or somehow doesn\\\'t apply anymore.
Also, what does the term \\\"Hollywood\\\" have to do with my point? I was very specifically responding to your statement that they \\\"rarely if ever appear in mainstream media of today\\\" when they still do.
