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I didn\'t say the trope was unfair, I\'m saying that your extremely broad, sweeping, meta-and-otherwise definition is unfair. You\'re basically boiling it down to \
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I didn\\\'t say the trope was unfair, I\\\'m saying that your extremely broad, sweeping, meta-and-otherwise definition is unfair. You\\\'re basically boiling it down to \\\"If she\\\'s not the protagonist and has a relationship of any kind with a man, in-universe or otherwise, then she\\\'s NeverASelfMadeWoman\\\" which is not at all true. This trope does have its validity (I\\\'ve added a number of entries to this page myself!) but not when you\\\'re using it to discredit every female supporting character just on the grounds that she isn\\\'t the center of the narrative universe.
Yes, many female characters are attached to male figures in their lives. \\\'\\\'Peggy is not one of them\\\'\\\'. Yes, there is a romantic subplot, but she is not a throw-away love interest, and she does not exist solely to develop Steve\\\'s character, and more importantly, the movie makes it very clear that she had a life before Steve, and she had a life after he was gone. She joined the SSR without him, went on assignment without him, she had an entire career that had absolutely nothing to do with her relationship to him. Every scene they have together develops her character at least as much as it develops his, and her accomplishments and BadAss moments do not involve him at all (except when \\\'\\\'he\\\'s\\\'\\\' the one fucking up). Painting her with the LINETS brush just because the movie is not actually about her is horribly unfair to the role she actually plays in the plot-- especially when that plot \\\'\\\'takes place in the 40\\\'s\\\'\\\' and having Peggy be as active and skilled as she is speaks volumes for how she \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t\\\'\\\' just a prize for Captain America. (A prize which, should be noted, he would not have gotten even if she was one.)
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Mainly because I really do not want to get in an argument over this, let\\\'s take a shortcut, here:
\\\'\\\'Who does Peggy Carter have to thank for her position?\\\'\\\'
The answer is \\\'\\\'herself\\\'\\\', and so she does not deserve to be on this list.
Yes, many female characters are attached to male figures in their lives. \\\'\\\'Peggy is not one of them\\\'\\\'. Yes, there is a romantic subplot, but she is not a throw-away love interest, and she does not exist solely to develop Steve\\\'s character, and more importantly, the movie makes it very clear that she had a life before Steve, and she had a life after he was gone. She joined the SSR without him, went on assignment without him, she had an entire career that had absolutely nothing to do with her relationship to him. Every scene they have together develops her character at least as much as it develops his, and her accomplishments and BadAss moments do not involve him at all (except when \\\'\\\'he\\\'s\\\'\\\' the one fucking up). Painting her with the LINETS brush just because the movie is not actually about her is horribly unfair to the role she actually plays in the plot-- especially when that plot \\\'\\\'takes place in the 40\\\'s\\\'\\\' and having Peggy be as active and skilled as she is speaks volumes for how she \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t\\\'\\\' just a prize for Captain America. (A prize which, should be noted, he would not have gotten even if she was one.)
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Mainly because I really do not want to get in an argument over this, let\\\'s take a shortcut, here:
\\\'\\\'Who does Peggy Carter have to thank for her position?\\\'\\\'
The answer is \\\'\\\'herself\\\'\\\', and so she does not deserve to be on this list.
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I didn\'t say the trope was unfair, I\'m saying that your extremely broad, sweeping, meta-and-otherwise definition is unfair. You\'re basically boiling it down to \
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I didn\\\'t say the trope was unfair, I\\\'m saying that your extremely broad, sweeping, meta-and-otherwise definition is unfair. You\\\'re basically boiling it down to \\\"If she\\\'s not the protagonist and has a relationship of any kind with a man, in-universe or otherwise, then she\\\'s NeverASelfMadeWoman\\\" which is not at all true. This trope does have its validity (I\\\'ve added a number of entries to this page myself!) but not when you\\\'re using it to discredit every female supporting character just on the grounds that she isn\\\'t the center of the narrative universe.
Yes, many female characters are attached to male figures in their lives. \\\'\\\'Peggy is not one of them\\\'\\\'. Yes, there is a romantic subplot, but she is not a throw-away love interest, and she does not exist solely to develop Steve\\\'s character, and more importantly, the movie makes it very clear that she had a life before Steve, and she had a life after he was gone. She joined the SSR without him, went on assignment without him, she had an entire career that had absolutely nothing to do with her relationship to him. Every scene they have together develops her character at least as much as it develops his, and her accomplishments and BadAss moments do not involve him at all (except when \\\'\\\'he\\\'s\\\'\\\' the one fucking up). Painting her with the LINETS brush just because the movie is not actually about her is horribly unfair to the role she actually plays in the plot-- especially when that plot \\\'\\\'takes place in the 40\\\'s\\\'\\\' and having Peggy be as active and skilled as she is speaks volumes for how she \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t\\\'\\\' just a prize for Captain America. (A prize which, should be noted, he would not have gotten even if she was one.)
Yes, many female characters are attached to male figures in their lives. \\\'\\\'Peggy is not one of them\\\'\\\'. Yes, there is a romantic subplot, but she is not a throw-away love interest, and she does not exist solely to develop Steve\\\'s character, and more importantly, the movie makes it very clear that she had a life before Steve, and she had a life after he was gone. She joined the SSR without him, went on assignment without him, she had an entire career that had absolutely nothing to do with her relationship to him. Every scene they have together develops her character at least as much as it develops his, and her accomplishments and BadAss moments do not involve him at all (except when \\\'\\\'he\\\'s\\\'\\\' the one fucking up). Painting her with the LINETS brush just because the movie is not actually about her is horribly unfair to the role she actually plays in the plot-- especially when that plot \\\'\\\'takes place in the 40\\\'s\\\'\\\' and having Peggy be as active and skilled as she is speaks volumes for how she \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t\\\'\\\' just a prize for Captain America. (A prize which, should be noted, he would not have gotten even if she was one.)
