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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating what a person will do and plan in accordance. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating what a person will do and plan in accordance. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\" The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice. The Daleks don\\\'t run an elaborated scheme to manipulate him here, they simply kidnap the Doctor and throw him on the planet, with only one option to escape it.

This trope is about manipulating someone into helping them, so I ask you, when do the Daleks manipulate the Doctor here?

What they do is just {{Genre Savvy}}ness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating what a person will do and plan in accordance. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating what a person will do and plan in accordance. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\"

The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice. The Daleks don\\\'t run an elaborated scheme to manipulat him here, they simply kidnap the Doctor and throw him on the planet, with only one option to escape it.

This trope is about manipulating someone into helping them, so I ask you, when do the Daleks manipulate the Doctor here?

What they do is just {{Genre Savvy}}ness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating what a person will do and plan in accordance. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating what a person will do and plan in accordance. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\"

The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice. The Daleks don\\\'t run an elaborated scheme to manipulat him here, they simply kidnap the Doctor and throw him on the planet, with only one option to escape it.

What the Daleks do here is just {{Genre Savvy}}ness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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I never said anything about UnwittingPawn, but the last sentence of the first paragraph links to it. It is not a necessity, but most of the time it is the case. The victim doesn\'t know it is being manipulated, or it knows it is manipulated, but doesn\'t know the reason or the direction.
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I never said anything about UnwittingPawn, but the last sentence of the first paragraph links to it. I wouldn\\\'t say it is a necessity, but most of the time ,it is the case. The victim doesn\\\'t know it is being manipulated, or it knows it is manipulated, but doesn\\\'t know the reason or the direction.
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating what a person will do and plan in accordance. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\"

The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice. The Daleks don\\\'t run an elaborated scheme to manipulat him here, they simply kidnap the Doctor and throw him on the planet, with only one option to escape it.

What the Daleks do here is just GenreSavvy|ness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sports bet would be a BatmanGambit.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sports bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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In essence, a BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\"
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The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice for him. The Daleks don\\\'t run an elaborated scheme here, they simply kidnap the Doctor and throw him on the planet.

What the Daleks do here is just GenreSavvyness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\"

The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice for him. The daleks don\\\'t run an elaborated scheme here, they simply kidnap the Doctor and throw him on the planet.

What the Daleks do here is just GenreSavvyness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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I never said anything about UnwittingPawn.
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I never said anything about UnwittingPawn, but the last sentence of the first paragraph links to it. It is not a necessity, but most of the time it is the case. The victim doesn\\\'t know it is being manipulated, or it knows it is manipulated, but doesn\\\'t know the reason or the direction.
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To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\"

The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice for him.

What the Daleks do here is just GenreSavvyness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sports bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sports bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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To quote from the page :\\\" In short, if there is any reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it\\\'s a Batman Gambit.\\\"

The Doctor doesn\\\'t have a reasonable alternative to disabling the force field here, as \\\"doing nothing and dying\\\" is not a reasonable choice for him.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sport bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sports bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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The Daleks simply take the Doctor and tell him to go down to the planet and deactivate the forcefield so they can shoot it. That\'s it. The plan doesn\'t rely on the Doctor winning, the plan simply is the Doctor winning.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sport bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. The Daleks simply take the Doctor and tell him to go down to the planet and deactivate the forcefield so they can shoot it. That\'s it. The plan doesn\'t rely on the Doctor winning, the plan simply is the Doctor winning.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sport bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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The Daleks simply take the Doctor and tell him to go down to the planet and deactivate the forcefield so they can shoot it. That\\\'s it. The plan doesn\\\'t rely on the Doctor winning, the plan simply is the Doctor winning.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sport bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. The Daleks simply take the Doctor and tell him to go down to the planet and deactivate the forcefield so they can shoot it. That\'s it.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sport bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. The Daleks simply take the Doctor and tell him to go down to the planet and deactivate the forcefield so they can shoot it. That\\\'s it. The plan doesn\\\'t rely on the Doctor winning, the plan simply is the Doctor winning.
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A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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Assuming someone is going to win is not a BatmanGambit, otherwise any sport bet would be a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choices a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice. The Daleks simply take the Doctor and tell him to go down to the planet and deactivate the forcefield so they can shoot it. That\\\'s it.
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A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. That\'s why it is named after Batman, he analyses his villains so well that he knows well in advance what they will do in any given situation and thus, is always prepared or it plays right in his hands. That\'s the essence of this trope.
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A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. The victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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For a BatmanGambit, the victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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For a BatmanGambit, the victim needs at least two valid options to reach his goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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For a BatmanGambit, the victim needs at least two valid options to reach their goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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What the Daleks do here is just GenreSavyness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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What the Daleks do here is just GenreSavvyness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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And no, the definition you gave has nothing to do with a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. That\'s why it is named after Batman, he analyses his villains so well that he knows well in advance what they will do in any given situation and thus, is always prepared or it plays right in his hands. That\'s the essence of this trope.
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A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. That\\\'s why it is named after Batman, he analyses his villains so well that he knows well in advance what they will do in any given situation and thus, is always prepared or it plays right in his hands. That\\\'s the essence of this trope.
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And no, the definition you gave has nothing to do with a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. That\'s why it is named after Batman, he analyses his villains so well that he knows well in advance what they will do in any given situation and thus, is always prepared. That\'s the essence of this trope.
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And no, the definition you gave has nothing to do with a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. That\\\'s why it is named after Batman, he analyses his villains so well that he knows well in advance what they will do in any given situation and thus, is always prepared or it plays right in his hands. That\\\'s the essence of this trope.
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For a BatmanGambit, the victim needs at least two valid options to reach his goal. The goal in this case is escaping the planet, but there is only one option to do so and that\\\'s why it is not a BatmanGambit. There is no choice.
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And no, the definition you gave has nothing to do with a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make.
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And no, the definition you gave has nothing to do with a BatmanGambit. A BatmanGambit is about correctly anticipating the choice a person will make and plan in accordance. That\\\'s why it is named after Batman, he analyses his villains so well that he knows well in advance what they will do in any given situation and thus, is always prepared. That\\\'s the essence of this trope.

What the Daleks do here is just GenreSavyness: They know the Doctor is good at defeating them, so when they have a problem with insane Daleks, they call him.
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