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Not necessarily; especially where the existence of the systems in question is either dubious or has been grossly exaggerated. In the case of most of the \
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Not necessarily; especially where the existence of the systems in question is either dubious or has been grossly exaggerated. In the case of most of the \\\"wunderwaffe\\\', they are both; their capabilities and significance are blown out of all proportion and their historical importance exaggerated beyond sanity. Once the reality of the equipment is examined, they are not wonder-weapons at all but not-very-inspiring examples of technology that were mostly already surpassed by allied developments. Thus, as \\\"wonder-weapons\\\" they do not belong in a section entitled \\\"the real world\\\". They weren\\\'t wonderful and they weren\\\'t weapons. Actually, they could better be described as a DiscreditedTrope. I\\\'ll put in an entry on the MG213 because that genuinely was important and advanced but most of the junk usually described as wonder-weapons wasn\\\'t.
Also, its worth noting that most of the designs and so on that get the breathless treatment actually had no official backing or support. They were either private company ventures or vague ideas with no substantive reality - hence the much better name for them, napkinwaffe (so called because they were scrawled on the back of a paper napkin in a beer garden).
This trope deals with super-weapons used by Nazi Germany. This section of the entry deals with things in that category that existed and were used in real life. Therefore to qualify for this trope at all, the item needs to be a super-weapon and, as we have seen, the candidates in question weren\\\'t even close to being super-weapons. To qualify for the real life section here, the system has to be real (ie had a serious existence beyond its source-napkin). An outline on a piece of paper or an idea that does not and could not work is not part of the real world. The ones deleted were not parts of the real world. Arguably they could belong in an entry for the literature section as fictional concepts but they don\\\'t belong in the real world. By the way, if allied designs were given the same degree of coverage as Nazi ones, do you realize there would be an equally huge number of very advanced projects that went nowhere? Germans weren\\\'t the only people who could come up with concepts that had no chance of being put into production.
Also, its worth noting that most of the designs and so on that get the breathless treatment actually had no official backing or support. They were either private company ventures or vague ideas with no substantive reality - hence the much better name for them, napkinwaffe (so called because they were scrawled on the back of a paper napkin in a beer garden).
This trope deals with super-weapons used by Nazi Germany. This section of the entry deals with things in that category that existed and were used in real life. Therefore to qualify for this trope at all, the item needs to be a super-weapon and, as we have seen, the candidates in question weren\\\'t even close to being super-weapons. To qualify for the real life section here, the system has to be real (ie had a serious existence beyond its source-napkin). An outline on a piece of paper or an idea that does not and could not work is not part of the real world. The ones deleted were not parts of the real world. Arguably they could belong in an entry for the literature section as fictional concepts but they don\\\'t belong in the real world. By the way, if allied designs were given the same degree of coverage as Nazi ones, do you realize there would be an equally huge number of very advanced projects that went nowhere? Germans weren\\\'t the only people who could come up with concepts that had no chance of being put into production.
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Not necessarily; especially where the existence of the systems in question is either dubious or has been grossly exaggerated. In the case of most of the \
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Not necessarily; especially where the existence of the systems in question is either dubious or has been grossly exaggerated. In the case of most of the \\\"wunderwaffe\\\', they are both; their capabilities and significance are blown out of all proportion and their historical importance exaggerated beyond sanity. Once the reality of the equipment is examined, they are not wonder-weapons at all but not-very-inspiring examples of technology that were mostly already surpassed by allied developments. Thus, as \\\"wonder-weapons\\\" they do not belong in a section entitled \\\"the real world\\\". They weren\\\'t wonderful and they weren\\\'t weapons. Actually, they could better be described as a DiscreditedTrope. I\\\'ll put in an entry on the MG213 because that genuinely was important and advanced but most of the junk usually described as wonder-weapons wasn\\\'t.
Also, its worth noting that most of the designs and so on that get the beathless treatment actually had no official backing or support. They were either private company ventures or vague ideas with no substantive reality - hence the much better name for them, napkinwaffe (so called because they were scrawled on the back of a paper napkin in a beer garden).
To qualify for the real life section here, the system has to be real (ie had a serious existence beyond its source-napkin) and has to be advanced. An outline on a piece of paper or an idea that does not and could not work is not part of the real world. The ones deleted were not parts of the real world. Arguably they could belong in an entry for the literature section as fictional concepts but they don\\\'t belong in the real world. By the way, if allied designs were given the same degree of coverage as Nazi ones, do you realize there would be an equally huge number of very advanced projects that went nowhere? Germans weren\\\'t the only people who could come up with concepts that had no chance of being put into production.
Also, its worth noting that most of the designs and so on that get the beathless treatment actually had no official backing or support. They were either private company ventures or vague ideas with no substantive reality - hence the much better name for them, napkinwaffe (so called because they were scrawled on the back of a paper napkin in a beer garden).
To qualify for the real life section here, the system has to be real (ie had a serious existence beyond its source-napkin) and has to be advanced. An outline on a piece of paper or an idea that does not and could not work is not part of the real world. The ones deleted were not parts of the real world. Arguably they could belong in an entry for the literature section as fictional concepts but they don\\\'t belong in the real world. By the way, if allied designs were given the same degree of coverage as Nazi ones, do you realize there would be an equally huge number of very advanced projects that went nowhere? Germans weren\\\'t the only people who could come up with concepts that had no chance of being put into production.
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Not necessarily; especially where the existence of the systems in question is either dubious or have been grossly exaggerated. In the case of most of the \
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Not necessarily; especially where the existence of the systems in question is either dubious or has been grossly exaggerated. In the case of most of the \\\"wunderwaffe\\\', they are both; their capabilities and significance are blown out of all proportion and their historical importance exaggerated beyond sanity. Once the reality of the equipment is examined, they are not wonder-weapons at all but not-very-inspiring examples of technology that were mostly already surpassed by allied developments. Thus, as \\\"wonder-weapons\\\" they do not belong in a section entitled \\\"the real world\\\". They weren\\\'t wonderful and they weren\\\'t weapons. I\\\'ll put in an entry on the MG213 because that genuinely was important and advanced but most of the junk usually described as wonder-weapons wasn\\\'t.
Also, its worth noting that most of the designs and so on that get the beathless treatment actually had no official backing or support. They were either private company ventures or vague ideas with no substantive reality - hence the much better name for them, napkinwaffe (so called because they were scrawled on the back of a paper napkin in a beer garden).
To qualify for the real life section here, the system has to be real (ie had a serious existence beyond its source-napkin) and has to be advanced. An outline on a piece of paper or an idea that does not and could not work is not part of the real world. The ones deleted were not parts of the real world. Arguably they could belong in an entry for the literature section as fictional concepts but they don\\\'t belong in the real world. By the way, if allied designs were given the same degree of coverage as Nazi ones, do you realize there would be an equally huge number of very advanced projects that went nowhere? Germans weren\\\'t the only people who could come up with concepts that had no chance of being put into production.
Also, its worth noting that most of the designs and so on that get the beathless treatment actually had no official backing or support. They were either private company ventures or vague ideas with no substantive reality - hence the much better name for them, napkinwaffe (so called because they were scrawled on the back of a paper napkin in a beer garden).
To qualify for the real life section here, the system has to be real (ie had a serious existence beyond its source-napkin) and has to be advanced. An outline on a piece of paper or an idea that does not and could not work is not part of the real world. The ones deleted were not parts of the real world. Arguably they could belong in an entry for the literature section as fictional concepts but they don\\\'t belong in the real world. By the way, if allied designs were given the same degree of coverage as Nazi ones, do you realize there would be an equally huge number of very advanced projects that went nowhere? Germans weren\\\'t the only people who could come up with concepts that had no chance of being put into production.
