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> You wrote \\\"the active-male/passive-female dichotomy\\\". This example disproved it so hard that you spontaneously deleted it from your mind! Hehehe.
I don\\\'t know where it\\\'s stated that female characters are never portrayed as active; just that the existence of the older \\\'passive female\\\' metatrope still exerts influence. Mostly because people don\\\'t want to let go of women\\\'s \\\'specialness\\\' and passive value and have not yet successfully resolved the obvious contradiction. Women can\\\'t simultaneously have value because they\\\'re women and achieve value through agency like men. It\\\'s just... not possible.
I think the overall problem is this... This is a look at how gender is used as a device in fiction. It\\\'s about what male and female characters are used for. We\\\'re not looking at why, here, just how. Yes some of the motivation for men to focus on actions rather then reactions is to avoid being seen as \\\'sissy or effeminate or gay\\\' but women are also motivated to not act manly.
Also, when creating a story, what\\\'s at the forefront of most creators\\\' concern is not \\\'I don\\\'t want these characters to seem gay/manly/effeminate/butch/etc.\\\' but, \\\'I want this story to work right and hold together. I want it to feel believable. I want these plot points to be hit.\\\'
I don\\\'t know where it\\\'s stated that female characters are never portrayed as active; just that the existence of the older \\\'passive female\\\' metatrope still exerts influence. Mostly because people don\\\'t want to let go of women\\\'s \\\'specialness\\\' and passive value and have not yet successfully resolved the obvious contradiction. Women can\\\'t simultaneously have value because they\\\'re women and achieve value through agency like men. It\\\'s just... not possible.
I think the overall problem is this... This is a look at how gender is used as a device in fiction. It\\\'s about what male and female characters are used for. We\\\'re not looking at why, here, just how. Yes some of the motivation for men to focus on actions rather then reactions is to avoid being seen as \\\'sissy or effeminate or gay\\\' but women are also motivated to not act manly.
Also, when creating a story, what\\\'s at the forefront of most creators\\\' concern is not \\\'I don\\\'t want these characters to seem gay/manly/effeminate/butch/etc.\\\' but, \\\'I want this story to work right and hold together. I want it to feel believable. I want these plot points to be hit.\\\'
