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As emphasized in both points, the key word is \
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As emphasized in both points, the key word is \\\"obvious.\\\" The margin for error in accepting reduced teams \\\'\\\'\\\'should\\\'\\\'\\\' be less than accepting full teams. i.e. The roles \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to be there with very little, if any, justification text.
Though it may be prudent to [[YouKnowThatThingWhere create a separate Trope for that]]. FourManBand perhaps? Alternately, we may need a handy guide to [[SquarePegRoundTrope converting]] FourTemperamentEnsemble roles to FiveManBand roles (or FiveBadBand roles).
As for \\\"teams\\\" of 2 or 3 or 7+, yeah, mainly needs dropping unless, in the case of the latter, if a subset of 5 fits all 5 roles \\\'\\\'\\\'exactly with \\\'\\\'one and only one\\\'\\\' character per role\\\'\\\'\\\'. (In that case, redact the outside members unless they form their own [~5MB~]. On the other hand, a series with [[GeodesicCast multiple Five Man Bands]] can have two teams share one (at most) member. Bonus points if the shared member fills two different roles between the two teams \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' neither role is TheHero. Also acceptable IMO are teams that shift their rosters over time while retaining members.
As for the \\\'\\\'Mother3\\\'\\\' 3-person+[[TeamPet pet]] example, it may fit better in FiveManBandConcert.
EDIT: Just so you know, I\\\'ve always held that the five main \\\'\\\'Tropes\\\'\\\' for the Band are a requirement for that band. i.e. only TheHero, TheLancer, TheBigGuy, TheSmartGuy, and TheChick / TheHeart can be members of the band proper. There is still room for [[SixthRanger Sixth Rangers]], [[TagalongKid kids]] and [[TeamPet pets]], [[TheObiwan mentors]] ([[BigBrotherMentor Big Sibling]] or otherwise), and [[MissionControl Missions Control]], but these are not actual team \\\'\\\'members\\\'\\\'.
And, again, the role-based nature of the Bands make it more attractive than Ensembles, which are personality based. Which admittedly does lend more easily to misuse.
EDIT 2: The page \\\'\\\'\\\'itself\\\'\\\'\\\' agrees with me! Take this notice from after the section on \\\"Associated Character Tropes\\\" (emphasis mine):
[[quoteblock]]Note: Variations occur where the core five are different \\\'\\\'\\\'or overlap.\\\'\\\'\\\' Don\\\'t take the title too literally — it\\\'s \\\'\\\'\\\'the roles\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\'\\\'more than\\\'\\\' the numbers that matter.[[/quoteblock]]
Or, in AceAttorney [[http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4796009 form]]. (I don\\\'t think they can handle italics there.)
Though it may be prudent to [[YouKnowThatThingWhere create a separate Trope for that]]. FourManBand perhaps? Alternately, we may need a handy guide to [[SquarePegRoundTrope converting]] FourTemperamentEnsemble roles to FiveManBand roles (or FiveBadBand roles).
As for \\\"teams\\\" of 2 or 3 or 7+, yeah, mainly needs dropping unless, in the case of the latter, if a subset of 5 fits all 5 roles \\\'\\\'\\\'exactly with \\\'\\\'one and only one\\\'\\\' character per role\\\'\\\'\\\'. (In that case, redact the outside members unless they form their own [~5MB~]. On the other hand, a series with [[GeodesicCast multiple Five Man Bands]] can have two teams share one (at most) member. Bonus points if the shared member fills two different roles between the two teams \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' neither role is TheHero. Also acceptable IMO are teams that shift their rosters over time while retaining members.
As for the \\\'\\\'Mother3\\\'\\\' 3-person+[[TeamPet pet]] example, it may fit better in FiveManBandConcert.
EDIT: Just so you know, I\\\'ve always held that the five main \\\'\\\'Tropes\\\'\\\' for the Band are a requirement for that band. i.e. only TheHero, TheLancer, TheBigGuy, TheSmartGuy, and TheChick / TheHeart can be members of the band proper. There is still room for [[SixthRanger Sixth Rangers]], [[TagalongKid kids]] and [[TeamPet pets]], [[TheObiwan mentors]] ([[BigBrotherMentor Big Sibling]] or otherwise), and [[MissionControl Missions Control]], but these are not actual team \\\'\\\'members\\\'\\\'.
And, again, the role-based nature of the Bands make it more attractive than Ensembles, which are personality based. Which admittedly does lend more easily to misuse.
EDIT 2: The page \\\'\\\'\\\'itself\\\'\\\'\\\' agrees with me! Take this notice from after the section on \\\"Associated Character Tropes\\\" (emphasis mine):
[[quoteblock]]Note: Variations occur where the core five are different \\\'\\\'\\\'or overlap.\\\'\\\'\\\' Don\\\'t take the title too literally — it\\\'s \\\'\\\'\\\'the roles\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\'\\\'more than\\\'\\\' the numbers that matter.[[/quoteblock]]
Or, in AceAttorney [[http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4796009 form]]. (I don\\\'t think they can handle italics there.)
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# One character is pulling double duty (fulfilling two roles, i.e. a GeniusBruiser combining both TheBigGuy and TheSmartGuy). But they must \'\'obviously\'\' be doing so. In this case, the same character can \'\'not\'\' be both TheHero and TheLancer.
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# One character is pulling double duty (fulfilling two roles). But they must \\\'\\\'obviously\\\'\\\' be doing so. In this case, the same character can \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' be both TheHero and TheLancer.
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As emphasized in both points, the key word is \
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As emphasized in both points, the key word is \\\"obvious.\\\" The margin for error in accepting reduced teams \\\'\\\'\\\'should\\\'\\\'\\\' be less than accepting full teams. i.e. The roles \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to be there with very little, if any, justification text.
Though it may be prudent to [[YouKnowThatThingWhere create a separate Trope for that]]. FourManBand perhaps? Alternately, we may need a handy guide to [[SquarePegRoundTrope converting]] FourTemperamentEnsemble roles to FiveManBand roles (or FiveBadBand roles).
As for \\\"teams\\\" of 2 or 3 or 7+, yeah, mainly needs dropping unless, in the case of the latter, if a subset of 5 fits all 5 roles \\\'\\\'\\\'exactly with \\\'\\\'one and only one\\\'\\\' character per role\\\'\\\'\\\'. (In that case, redact the outside members unless they form their own [~5MB~]. On the other hand, a series with [[GeodesicCast multiple Five Man Bands]] can have two teams share one (at most) member. Bonus points if the shared member fills two different roles between the two teams \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' neither role is TheHero. Also acceptable IMO are teams that shift their rosters over time while retaining members.
As for the \\\'\\\'Mother3\\\'\\\' 3-person+[[TeamPet pet]] example, it may fit better in FiveManBandConcert.
EDIT: Just so you know, I\\\'ve always held that the five main \\\'\\\'Tropes\\\'\\\' for the Band are a requirement for that band. i.e. only TheHero, TheLancer, TheBigGuy, TheSmartGuy, and TheChick / TheHeart can be members of the band proper. There is still room for [[SixthRanger Sixth Rangers]], [[TagalongKid kids]] and [[TeamPet pets]], [[TheObiwan mentors]] ([[BigBrotherMentor Big Sibling]] or otherwise), and [[MissionControl Missions Control]], but these are not actual team \\\'\\\'members\\\'\\\'.
And, again, the role-based nature of the Bands make it more attractive than Ensembles, which are personality based. Which admittedly does lend more easily to misuse.
Though it may be prudent to [[YouKnowThatThingWhere create a separate Trope for that]]. FourManBand perhaps? Alternately, we may need a handy guide to [[SquarePegRoundTrope converting]] FourTemperamentEnsemble roles to FiveManBand roles (or FiveBadBand roles).
As for \\\"teams\\\" of 2 or 3 or 7+, yeah, mainly needs dropping unless, in the case of the latter, if a subset of 5 fits all 5 roles \\\'\\\'\\\'exactly with \\\'\\\'one and only one\\\'\\\' character per role\\\'\\\'\\\'. (In that case, redact the outside members unless they form their own [~5MB~]. On the other hand, a series with [[GeodesicCast multiple Five Man Bands]] can have two teams share one (at most) member. Bonus points if the shared member fills two different roles between the two teams \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' neither role is TheHero. Also acceptable IMO are teams that shift their rosters over time while retaining members.
As for the \\\'\\\'Mother3\\\'\\\' 3-person+[[TeamPet pet]] example, it may fit better in FiveManBandConcert.
EDIT: Just so you know, I\\\'ve always held that the five main \\\'\\\'Tropes\\\'\\\' for the Band are a requirement for that band. i.e. only TheHero, TheLancer, TheBigGuy, TheSmartGuy, and TheChick / TheHeart can be members of the band proper. There is still room for [[SixthRanger Sixth Rangers]], [[TagalongKid kids]] and [[TeamPet pets]], [[TheObiwan mentors]] ([[BigBrotherMentor Big Sibling]] or otherwise), and [[MissionControl Missions Control]], but these are not actual team \\\'\\\'members\\\'\\\'.
And, again, the role-based nature of the Bands make it more attractive than Ensembles, which are personality based. Which admittedly does lend more easily to misuse.
