Discussion History Analysis / AntiHero

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (PuritySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendToAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just watch the movie ThreeHundred.

A type V can frequently turn into the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors, or idealise [[{{Conflict Man Versus Man full-blown warfare mass-murder, rather than Man Versus Nature (which is the real problem)]] as the ultimate pinnacle of human achievement and thrill to strive for. Heck there are plenty of writers who outright ingrain SocialDarwinist systematic cleansings as something harmonic, good, virtuous, enlightened, wise, and positive, which may be even worse. They have simply turned an awful lot more clever about it than in BenitoMussolini\\\'s days.

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (MarySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendToAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just watch the movie ThreeHundred.

A type V can frequently turn into the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors, or idealise [[{{Conflict Man Versus Man full-blown warfare mass-murder, rather than Man Versus Nature (which is the real problem)]] as the ultimate pinnacle of human achievement and thrill to strive for. Heck there are plenty of writers who outright ingrain SocialDarwinist systematic cleansings as something harmonic, good, virtuous, enlightened, wise, and positive, which may be even worse. They have simply turned an awful lot more clever about it than in BenitoMussolini\\\'s days.

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (MarySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendToAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just watch the movie ThreeHundred.

A type V can frequently turn into the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors, or idealise ManVersusMan full-blown warfare mass-murder rather than ManVersusNature (which is the real problem) as the ultimate pinnacle of human achievement and thrill to strive for. Heck there are plenty of writers who outright ingrain SocialDarwinist systematic cleansings as something harmonic, good, virtuous, enlightened, wise, and positive, which may be even worse. They have simply turned an awful lot more clever about it than in BenitoMussolini\\\'s days.

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (MarySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendToAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just watch the movie ThreeHundred.

A type V can frequently turn into the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors, or idealise ManVersusMan full-blown warfare mass-murder rather than ManVersusNature as the ultimate pinnacle of human achievement and thrill to strive for. Heck there are plenty of writers who outright ingrain SocialDarwinist systematic cleansings as something harmonic, good, virtuous, enlightened, wise, and positive, which may be even worse. They have simply turned an awful lot more clever about it than in BenitoMussolini\\\'s days.

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (MarySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendToAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just watch the movie ThreeHundred.

A type V can frequently turn into the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors, or idealise ManVersusMan full-blown warfare mass-murder rather than ManVersusNature as the ultimate pinnacle of human achievement and thrill to strive for. Heck there are plenty of writers who outright ingrain SocialDarwinist systematic cleansings as something harmonic, good, virtuous, wise, and positive, which may be even worse.

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (MarySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendToAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just watch the movie ThreeHundred.

A type V can frequently turn into the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors.

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (MarySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendOfAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just see the movie ThreeHundred. A type V is the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors.

All right. Will do. Thanks for the help.

A \\\"Sue\\\" is per definition a wish-fulfillment device for the author, whether it is to be all-powerful (GodModeSue), perfect (MarySue), an asshole (JerkSue), or cut loose with your bloodthirst, hatred, intolerance, supremacism, extremism, prejudice, etc (VillainSue). The more skilled authors then try to come up with a setting and narrative that \\\"justifies\\\" that/tricks the reader into accepting it, either by presenting a lie/deceptive narrative so great that it is a self-sustaining continuity (as Hitler roughly put it), or simply twisting small parts completely out of context in synch with with greater lies (it is entirely possible to make a FriendOFAllLivingThings pacifist or a forgiving repeated torture victim into the bad guy whereas outright fascist values or the torturer in question are presented as good. In fact it is common, just see the movie ThreeHundred. A type V is the very essense of this. A glorification of absolute evil. Basically it is not uncommon to have a CompleteMonster character running around fighting against Lovecraftian horrors.

All right. Will do. Thanks for the help.