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No, it\'s not \
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No, it\\\'s not \\\"I\\\'m a better person\\\", I never said that, it\\\'s exactly what I said: they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' questionable/very arguable per definition, otherwise I wouldn\\\'t be able to make an argument. As are mine naturally, and both views should be presented, along with attempting to take those of other people into account.

I have tried to maintain her inserts, but the cutting that I have been treated with in return has been so heavy-handed and put into practice elsewhere as well, while ignoring any long explanations that I make and offering virtually nothing in return, that I can\\\'t help but start to see it in a pattern after a while. I have tried to discuss it, I have asked for logic, I have explained myself, and I thought that several of my text pieces were quite relevant. It quickly turns tiresome if the pattern is just repeated over and over, especially as I think that cclospina used to be more talkative over [[StealthParody at]] {{Deadpool}}. So in these cases it\\\'s usually good to ask for others to help mediate it.

As for my motivation, it\\\'s the usual one: Strong anal-retentive need for patterns to make sense, and getting hangups when I can\\\'t quite process it.

Btw: No problem. It tends to be a progress to hammer out my thoughts. Sorry about that.

Btw2: I just noticed that cclospina had in fact done a couple of compromises in her latest version, and apologise to her. I also attempted to compromise further myself by adjusting sentences to a middle-version or keeping out further large chunks of my old text. I think that this is a good point for you to check for bad parts to keep out.
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Now think of a female character who has the [[DarkActionGirl same resume]]. It\'s pretty hard to translate that stigma, especially if there\'s a [[SexFaceTurn romantic tie-in]] with a heroic character. They are just going to be perceived as a DarkActionGirl. The only way I can see one working off the top of my head is if a female character acts heroically but is OnlyInItForTheMoney.
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Now think of a female character who has the same resume. It\\\'s pretty hard to translate that stigma, especially if there\\\'s a [[SexFaceTurn romantic tie-in]] with a heroic character. The only way I can see one working off the top of my head is if a female character acts heroically but is OnlyInItForTheMoney.
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Now think of a female character who has the [[DarkActionGirl same resume]]. It\'s pretty hard to translate that stigma, especially if there\'s a romantic tie-in with a heroic character. They are just going to be perceived as a DarkActionGirl. The only way I can see one working off the top of my head is if a female character acts heroically but is OnlyInItForTheMoney.
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Now think of a female character who has the [[DarkActionGirl same resume]]. It\\\'s pretty hard to translate that stigma, especially if there\\\'s a [[SexFaceTurn romantic tie-in]] with a heroic character. They are just going to be perceived as a DarkActionGirl. The only way I can see one working off the top of my head is if a female character acts heroically but is OnlyInItForTheMoney.
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The problem with a female anti-hero is that [[DoubleStandard almost any crime is easily forgivable]] as long as it doesn\'t cross the MoralEventHorizon . Think of a male character who is or was a thief, mercenary, or [[EvenEvilHasStandards assassin who doesn\'t kill innocents]]. Not a CompleteMonster but he carries a certain stigma.
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The problem with a female anti-hero is that [[DoubleStandard almost any crime is easily forgivable]] as long as it doesn\\\'t cross the MoralEventHorizon . Think of a male character who is or was a thief, mercenary, or assassin [[EvenEvilHasStandards who doesn\\\'t kill innocents]]. Not a CompleteMonster but he carries a certain stigma.
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The problem with a female anti-hero is that [[DoubleStandard almost any crime is easily forgivable]]as long as it doesn\'t cross the MoralEventHorizon . Think of a male character who is or was a thief, mercenary, or [[EvenEvilHasStandards assassin who doesn\'t kill innocents]]. Not a CompleteMonster but he carries a certain stigma.
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The problem with a female anti-hero is that [[DoubleStandard almost any crime is easily forgivable]] as long as it doesn\\\'t cross the MoralEventHorizon . Think of a male character who is or was a thief, mercenary, or [[EvenEvilHasStandards assassin who doesn\\\'t kill innocents]]. Not a CompleteMonster but he carries a certain stigma.
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I think that in order to fit the trope well an anti-hero has to exist in a sort of gray area. He\'s unfit to become a [[BadassDecay regular hero]] or at least a [[BadassDecay redeemed member of society]] perhaps because of a DarkAndTroubledPast but not a CompleteMonster because he never crossed the MoralEventHorizon.
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I think that in order to fit the trope well an anti-hero has to exist in a sort of gray area. He\\\'s unfit to become a [[BadassDecay regular hero]] or at least a [[BadassDecay redeemed member of society]] perhaps because of a DarkAndTroubledPast but is not a CompleteMonster because he never crossed the MoralEventHorizon.
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I think that in order to fit the trope well an anti-hero has to exist in a sort of gray area between being unfit to become a [[BadassDecay regular hero]] or at least a [[BadassDecay redeemed member of society]] perhaps because of a DarkAndTroubledPast but not a CompleteMonster because he never crossed the MoralEventHorizon.
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I think that in order to fit the trope well an anti-hero has to exist in a sort of gray area. He\\\'s unfit to become a [[BadassDecay regular hero]] or at least a [[BadassDecay redeemed member of society]] perhaps because of a DarkAndTroubledPast but not a CompleteMonster because he never crossed the MoralEventHorizon.
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No, it\'s not \
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No, it\\\'s not \\\"I\\\'m a better person\\\", I never said that, it\\\'s exactly what I said: they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' questionable/very arguable per definition, othervise I wouldn\\\'t be able to make an argument. As are mine naturally, and both views should be presented, along with attempting to take those of other people into account.

I have tried to maintain her inserts, but the cutting that I have been treated with in return has been so heavy-handed and put into practice elsewhere as well, while ignoring any long explanations that I make and offering virtually nothing in return, that I can\\\'t help but start to see it in a pattern after a while. I have tried to discuss it, I have asked for logic, I have explained myself, and I thought that several of my text pieces were quite relevant. It quickly turns tiresome if the pattern is just repeated over and over, especially as I think that cclospina used to be more talkative over [[StealthParody at]] {{Deadpool}}. So in these cases it\\\'s usually good to ask for others to help mediate it.

As for my motivation, it\\\'s the usual one: Strong anal-retentive need for patterns to make sense, and getting hangups when I can\\\'t quite process it.

Btw: No problem. It tends to be a progress to hammer out my thoughts. Sorry about that.

Btw2: I just noticed that cclospina had in fact done a couple of compromises in her latest version, and apologise to her. I also attempted to compromise further myself by adjusting sentences to a middle-version or keeping out further large chunks of my old text. I think that this is a good point for you to check for bad parts to keep out.
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No, it\'s not \
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No, it\\\'s not \\\"I\\\'m a better person\\\", I never said that, it\\\'s exactly what I said: they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' questionable/very arguable per definition, othervise I wouldn\\\'t be able to make an argument. As are mine naturally, and both views should be presented, along with attempting to take those of other people into account.

I have tried to maintain her inserts, but the cutting that I have been treated with in return has been so heavy-handed and put into practice elsewhere as well, while ignoring any long explanations that I make and offering virtually nothing in return, that I can\\\'t help but start to see it in a pattern after a while. I have tried to discuss it, I have asked for logic, I have explained myself, and I thought that several of my text pieces were quite relevant. It quickly turns tiresome if the pattern is just repeated over and over, especially as I think that cclospina used to be more talkative over [[StealthParody at]] {{Deadpool}}. So in these cases it\\\'s usually good to ask for others to help mediate it.

Btw: No problem. It tends to be a progress to hammer out my thoughts. Sorry about that.

Btw2: I just noticed that cclospina had in fact done a couple of compromises in her latest version, and apologise to her. I also attempted to compromise further myself by adjusting sentences to a middle-version or keeping out further large chunks of my old text. I think that this is a good point for you to check for bad parts to keep out.
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No, it\'s not \
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No, it\\\'s not \\\"I\\\'m a better person\\\", I never said that, it\\\'s exactly what I said: they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' questionable/very arguable per definition, othervise I wouldn\\\'t be able to make an argument. As are mine naturally, and both views should be presented, along with attempting to take those of other people into account.

I have tried to maintain her inserts, but the cutting that I have been treated with in return has been so heavy-handed and put into practice elsewhere as well, while ignoring any long explanations that I make and offering virtually nothing in return, that I can\\\'t help but start to see it in a pattern after a while. I have tried to discuss it, I have asked for logic, I have explained myself, and I thought that several of my text pieces were quite relevant. It quickly turns tiresome if the pattern is just repeated over and over, especially as I think that cclospina used to be more talkative over [[StealthParody at]] {{Deadpool}}. So in these cases it\\\'s usually good to ask for others to help mediate it.

Btw: No problem. It tends to be a progress to hammer out my thoughts. Sorry about that.

Btw2: I noticed that cclospina had in fact done a couple of compromises, and apologise to her. I also attempted to compromise further myself by adjusting sentences to a middle-version or keeping out further large chunks of my old text. I think that this is a good point for you to check for bad parts to keep out.
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No, it\'s not \
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No, it\\\'s not \\\"I\\\'m a better person\\\", I never said that, it\\\'s exactly what I said: they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' questionable/very arguable per definition, othervise I wouldn\\\'t be able to make an argument. As are mine naturally, and both views should be presented, along with attempting to take those of other people into account.

I have tried to maintain her inserts, but the cutting that I have been treated with in return has been so heavy-handed and put into practice elsewhere as well, while ignoring any long explanations that I make and offering virtually nothing in return, that I can\\\'t help but start to see it in a pattern after a while. I have tried to discuss it, I have asked for logic, I have explained myself, and I thought that several of my text pieces were quite relevant. It quickly turns tiresome if the pattern is just repeated over and over, especially as I think that cclospina used to be more talkative over [[StealthParody at]] {{Deadpool}}. So in these cases it\\\'s usually good to ask for others to help mediate it.

Btw: No problem. It tends to be a progress to hammer out my thoughts. Sorry about that.

Btw2: I noticed that cclospina had in fact done a couple of compromises, and apologise to her. I also attempted to compromise further myself by adjusting sentences to a middle-version or keeping out further large chunks of my old text.
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No, it\'s not \
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No, it\\\'s not \\\"I\\\'m a better person\\\", I never said that, it\\\'s exactly what I said: they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' questionable/very arguable per definition, othervise I wouldn\\\'t be able to make an argument. As are mine naturally, and both views should be presented, along with attempting to take those of other people into account.

I have tried to maintain her inserts, but the cutting that I have been treated with in return has been so heavy-handed and put into practice elsewhere as well, while ignoring any long explanations that I make and offering virtually nothing in return, that I can\\\'t help but start to see it in a pattern after a while. I have tried to discuss it, I have asked for logic, I have explained myself, and I thought that several of my text pieces were quite relevant. It quickly turns tiresome if the pattern is just repeated over and over, especially as I think that cclospina used to be more talkative over [[StealthParody at]] {{Deadpool}}. So in these cases it\\\'s usually good to ask for others to help mediate it.

Btw: No problem. It tends to be a progress to hammer out my thoughts. Sorry about that.
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No, it\'s not \
to:
No, it\\\'s not \\\"I\\\'m a better person\\\", I never said that, it\\\'s exactly what I said: they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' questionable/very arguable per definition, othervise I wouldn\\\'t be able to make an argument. As are mine naturally, and both views should be presented, along with attempting to take those of other people into account.

I have tried to maintain her inserts, but the cutting that I have been treated with in return has been so heavy-handed and put into practice elsewhere as well, while ignoring any long explanations that I make and offering virtually nothing in return, that I can\\\'t help but start to see it in a pattern after a while. I have tried to discuss it, I have asked for logic, I have explained myself, and I thought that several of my text pieces were quite relevant. It quickly turns tiresome if the pattern is jsut repeated over and over, especially as I know that cclospina used to be more talkative over [[StealthParody at]] {{Deadpool}}. So in these cases it\\\'s usually good to ask for others to help mediate it.

Btw: No problem. It tends to be a progress to hammer out my thoughts. Sorry about that.
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