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** Maury is an even bigger abuser of this than you\'d think. Women who were proven to have been cheating are all shown to do the \
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** Maury is an even bigger abuser of this than you\\\'d think. Women who were proven to have been cheating are all shown to do the \\\"weeping run down the back stage area\\\" acting as if they had been tricked into cheating. Men are treated as vile, horrible, nasty, bastards for even * thinking* the child is not theirs, even when the woman\\\'s been on the show with five other guys. Let\\\'s let that sink in a bit. \\\'\\\'They get booed for questioning whether-or-not they are the father, even when it\\\'s shown they have EVERY REASON to think they aren\\\'t.\\\'\\\'
*** It may be more of a fact that the children are the ones who are suffering the most. Still, the idea that the woman in question is treated as blameless through the ordeal while the man faces backlash for even \\\'\\\'thinking\\\'\\\' that the baby couldn\\\'t be his while he has every reason to believe so is ridiculous.
**** Let\\\'s also notice that the men on this show aren\\\'t doing themselves any favors. They never seem to make a logical point, saying \\\"She\\\'s brought six guys on this show, there is a good chance it\\\'s not mine.\\\" They seem to look for the dumbest guys that can find who will say nothing except, \\\"SHE\\\'S JUST A SLUT. THAT KID AIN\\\'T MINE!\\\"
** It gets worse than that. One episode consisted of a woman who is suspected of cheating on her husband and the idea that the child might not be his. When she comes out she is \\\'\\\'surprisingly\\\'\\\' booed. Maury was flabbergasted by the lack of sympathy, asking why they were booing her (with loud declarations of her being a cheater from the audience). Could you imagine this reaction from Maury if the genders were reversed? Seriously, the borderline misandry on the show is infuriating.
--->\\\'\\\'\\\'Maury:\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\"This is the seventh time you\\\'ve been on our show.\\\" \\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'\\\'Woman:\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\"I know this one\\\'s the father, Maury! I\\\'m \\\'\\\'\\\'a million percent sho\\\'!\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\"\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'\\\'Maury:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[spoiler:\\\"You are NOT the father!\\\"]]\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'\\\'Man:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[spoiler:[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2i0ts-uck * dance of joy* ]](the music was edited in afterwards)]]
** There was one show where a woman was convinced that her husband was cheating and got mad when the lie detector proved her wrong. Even Maury thought she was crazy.
*** Well if they used a polygraph then she may not be, because those things aren\\\'t exactly accurate.
*** It could also be that the woman was so dead set in thinking her husband was cheating that nothing in the world could convince her that she is wrong. Some women do still believe in the \\\"once a cheater always a cheater\\\" motto.
** Averted by the Steve Wilkos show, though he usually deals with more serious issues like abuse and rape accusations, but sometimes cheating comes up as a secondary issue. A woman who cheated on her girlfriend and falsely cried rape on the man who got her pregnant and a mother who, according to the Lie Detector tests, apparently cheated on her husband \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' abused \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' neglected their children were booed by the audience and told to get off Steve\\\'s chair just as vehemently as male cheaters/abusers, if not \\\'\\\'more so\\\'\\\'.
*** Except the one episode where he vehemently refused to [[RapeIsOkWhenItIsFemaleOnMale believe a man had been raped]], to the point where said man looked like he was going to breakdown. WallBanger? Yes, indeed. But given that it\\\'s Steve Wilkos, who switches between having AwesomeMoments, {{Narm}}, and WallBanger status...
** On one episode of Steve Wilkos starred a divorced couple in which the husband had cheated. He was maintianing that she was interfering with his visits to his daughter. She stated otherwise. either point was just \\\"he said, she said\\\". Steve brought them both on stage to \\\"talk it out\\\". It was his turn to talk. Not only did she talk over him, she invaded his personal space. (specifically, she made an intimidation stance less than a foot away from him.) This caused the situation to devolve into an argument. The husband was forced to leave the stage because he was a \\\"jackass\\\" even though much of what he said was just \\\"get out of my face.\\\" To make it clear, he did not retaliate.
* Largely averted in the British equivalent, \\\'\\\'The Jeremy Kyle Show\\\'\\\'. \\\'\\\'All\\\'\\\' cheats are depicted as the bad guys of the show unless they\\\'re genuinely apologetic.
* The RealityShow \\\'\\\'Tool Acadamy\\\'\\\'. Men who are lacking in social/ relationship skills are tricked by their long suffering girlfriends into competing for the title of \\\"Mr. Awesome\\\". The Acadamy is actually a charm school where the women have placed the men to learn to be better boyfriends. True, some of these guys are indeed [[JerkAss JerkAsses]], but just try to imagine a DiStaffCounterpart to this. Just try.
** Well, they do have female \\\"tools\\\" on the show now.
*** And in general, the \\\'\\\'Charm School\\\'\\\' shows that were spin-offs of \\\'\\\'Flavor of Love\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Rock of Love\\\'\\\' did roughly the same thing, basically trying to improve their bad behaviour. The big difference is that while \\\'\\\'Charm School\\\'\\\' is trying to improve the girls to be better people in general, whereas \\\'\\\'Tool Academy\\\'\\\' is trying to turn the guys into better boyfriends. Rather than just make them better people, the premise is more \\\"shape them to their girlfriend\\\'s will so their girlfriends aren\\\'t ashamed of them.\\\" On both shows, the women win.
* Several years back on Oprah Winfrey\\\'s talk show, a researcher was getting disbelieving catcalls from the (normally very well-behaved) audience when she pointed out that there had to be just about as many women as men cheating in relationships. She asked if they believed there was a pool of a few dozen women all the cheating men shared? She also explicitly described the \\\"When he cheats it\\\'s his fault, when she cheats, it\\\'s his fault\\\" DoubleStandard.
* Prince Charles and Lady Diana. Both were apparently unfaithful; Diana had multiple acknowledged lovers, most of whom were ignored after her divorce; Charles had one, Camilla Parker Bowles, to whom he is now married, and they were together even from long before Diana came into the picture. Of course, Charles is an evil insensitive scumbag who drove poor sad and saintly Diana to it. \\\'\\\'Camilla\\\'\\\', meanwhile...
** Part of the reason Charles is labeled as the worse one is that Camilla Parker Bowles \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' in the picture long before he married Diana and many people feel that he should have never married Diana in the first place with those feelings. But, being the Prince, his family insisted he marry someone, and Camilla wasn\\\'t eligible.
** One of her biographers even said flat out that she slept with a reporter to get him to write a fluff piece about her.
** During an episode of \\\'\\\'HaveIGotNewsForYou\\\'\\\' following Diana\\\'s 1995 interview on \\\'\\\'Panorama\\\'\\\', Ian Hislop criticised the selective blindness Diana (and the public) seemed to have regarding adultery in her marriage to Charles. \\\"She said there were three of us in the marriage, which shows that her maths doesn\\\'t change much. (counting on fingers) Hewitt, Hoare, Gilbey, Charles, Camilla....\\\"
** I actually heard some people saying that Charles was [[BeautyEqualsGoodness wrong]] because he loved the older and less attractive of the two women. No comment.
* [[http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/17/tanya-gold-stripping This article]] claims that women watching male strippers are just having fun, while men watching female strippers have \\\"darker reasons\\\". The quality of the research is heavily debated in the 700+ comments; in particular, the fact that the journalist (a woman, for what\\\'s it\\\'s worth) doesn\\\'t appear to have actually asked any \\\'\\\'men\\\'\\\' -- whether a male stripper or a man who watches female strippers -- what \\\'\\\'they\\\'\\\' think about all of this, having focused entirely on interviewing the women, has not gone unnoticed.
** Not to mention the huge rift between her two sources of \\\"fact-checking:\\\" a Chippendale\\\'s tour for the male strippers and the dingiest, dirtiest rat hole imaginable for the female strippers.
* Christopher Titus\\\'s relationships, for the most part - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyVjgp-HR-8=related he manages to find the humor in it, though]]. For a bigger bonus, watch from 4:00, where he establishes his side of the divorce from his wife.
* A weirdly handled subset of this is any case of teacher/student affairs (see PaedoHunt). If it is a male teacher and female student, then obviously he used his power and authority to take advantage, and anyone who questions the female\\\'s innocence is misogynist. But if it is a case of female teacher/male student such as Mary Kay Letorneau and Debra LaFave, not only do some accept that the woman must have been lonely and/or desperate (the boy either stupid or lucky), but it automatically gets more media attention than the former due to the supposed rarity. LaFave\\\'s case was especially {{egregious}}.
** Plenty excuse it when it\\\'s male teacher/female student as well - read the \\\'\\\'comments\\\'\\\' on any such news story. However, the media themselves are pretty insistent on this trope. If they admitted that not all men were evil and not all women were innocent they\\\'d have less sensationalistic nonsense to scream about?
** Of course not! They\\\'d have twice as much!
** There was a female/female case of this in the UK recently, and the judge even said that no-one had any right to break them up.
*** [[SouthPark Nice]].
* There is a joke that says that the real reason for this trope is that women are just better at hiding their affairs than men are. Of course, a number of men don\\\'t believe \\\'\\\'their\\\'\\\' wife or girlfriend could possible be capable of cheating...
** There is a theory that more men cheat for \\\'\\\'adventure\\\'\\\' than anything else, and have a compulsive need to be found out (although some don\\\'t), where as women like to keep there\\\'s on \\\"The Down Low\\\".
*** This troper knows a marriage counselor who says that when men cheat it\\\'s usually just for sex or for thrills but when women cheat it\\\'s usually because they\\\'ve fallen in love with another man. This, he argues, is why male adulterers are more reviled. Cheating for sex or thrills seems callous and heartless. Cheating for love seems like the act of a poor lonely victim of an uncaring spouse. Ironically, however, the former is easy for a counselor to fix while the latter is often the death-knell of a marriage.
* Insults. It\\\'s ok for a girl to abuse a man so bad that Gunny Hartman would be proud. But if you\\\'re a guy, don\\\'t even think about letting slip the F word on a girl... or you\\\'ll get slapped. (And let\\\'s not even go into the whole hitting thing.)
** No, let\\\'s. It\\\'s got to come up sooner or later. [[http://boundlessthoughts.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/25-things-a-perfect-guy-would-do/ This article]], listing \\\"25 Things a perfect guy should do\\\" has been circulating around the internet in several different versions for a while now. The list includes some cliched romantic bullshit like \\\"His hands always find yours\\\" and that he should \\\"Dance with you, even if he feels like a dork\\\", etc. Guess what No. 15 is? That he should \\\"React so cutely when you hit him and it actually hurts.\\\" I repeat: He should \\\"React so cutely when you hit him and it actually hurts.\\\" What the \\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'fuck\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'? It\\\'s unknown where exactly this originated from, although the whole thing seems to have started in \\\"The Twilight Archives\\\" fanfiction site with a post labelled [[http://www.twilightarchives.com/viewuser.php?uid=9425 21 Things a sweet guy would do]] (scroll down a bit, it\\\'s actually a \\\'\\\'profile page\\\'\\\') and seems to have been added to over time. By multiple women. All of whom \\\'\\\'retained No. 15\\\'\\\'. Seriously, \\\'\\\'\\\'WHAT THE FUCK?\\\'\\\'\\\' The article has not gone uncommented on by several pissed-off males \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' females, who have replied with many, many [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarous]] comments which can be read [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.132161-25-Things-a-Perfect-Guy-Would-Do?page=8 here]], and [[http://www.flyffworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127017 here]]. This troper can\\\'t help wonder what any female tropers who are reading this have to say about it.
*** That I\\\'m very scared and glad I\\\'m not dating those girls?
*** \\\"* 15. React so cutely when you hit him and it actually hurts.\\\" / \\\"Also fuck that. You hit me and I hit you back. If you are able to hit me hard enough that you can actually hurt me, you can take a retaliatory beating just fine\\\"
*** This female troper would sooner date a pencil sharpener than any man that fit that description. She doesn\\\'t want to hurt people, doesn\\\'t like to be touched, or listen to anyone who can\\\'t sing. Also keep away from my hair. And if he wants to watch \\\"the game\\\", go ahead. I\\\'m probably watching [=DVDs=] on my laptop anyway. I don\\\'t like drinking, smoking, or drugs, but that one seems out of place. And act cute if he wants something? That\\\'s the job of little kids and animals.
*** This male troper would like to ask to above troper to marry him because she seems like the coolest woman he\\\'s ever met. :)
*** This female troper find this stuff to be more misogynistic than romantic/attractive, and deconstructs every one of these that is sent to her over facebook.
*** BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, in case the injured party decides to go GrotesqueCute.
*** [[TheBestPageInTheUniverse Maddox]] [[http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=26_things deconstructed those back in]] [[OlderThanTheyThink 2003]], quite thoroughly.
** Let\\\'s get back to the hitting thing. This trope in general is part of the reason that more than a few people are saying that teaching your sons to \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' hit a woman is a bad idea. There are multiple studies showing that women are just as likely (if not moreso) to be violent in a relationship. They also realize that female-on-male violence can actually be worse since 1) a man is less likely to fight back or report it, partially because of this trope, and 2) since women realize they\\\'re outmatched strength-wise, they\\\'re more likely to use weapons. They think that it should be changed to basically \\\"don\\\'t be abusive, but don\\\'t be a punching bag either. if your girlfriend is drunk, angry and coming at you with a baseball bat, don\\\'t feel guilty if you give her a hearty shove to get to safety.\\\" [[http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/155944/why_you_should_not_teach_your_son_never.html?cat=25 This article]] (from a woman) sums up the argument pretty well.
* The Oprah Show (as mentioned above) oozes this trope as well. Except Oprah \\\'\\\'herself\\\'\\\' is very subtle about it.
* A More dicey example would be the fact that black men aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'allowed\\\'\\\' to like [[AmbiguouslyBrown fair-skinned]] [[ButNotTooBlack black women]], let alone white women; if you do, you\\\'re everything that\\\'s wrong with black men (even if you admit to liking dark-skinned black women as well). And that\\\'s not even bringing up the DoubleStandard of interracial dating. Black females who date or marry white guys are seen as women who have traded up for a better life and stability ([[UnfortunateImplications the trade-up is never a non-white male though]]). While black males who show any interest in white women are seen as weak and sellouts.
** While the abovementioned double standard can happen, the opposite often applies as well. Black women who date and marry interracially are also often viewed negatively and as sellouts. . .by the same black men who see nothing wrong with dating or marrying interracially themselves (not that there\\\'s anything wrong with interracial relationships of any kind).
*** And to come full circle, the aforementioned black men who date non-black women are seen as weak and sellouts. . . often by the same black women who have \\\"traded up\\\" for a better life and stability. Basically it\\\'s [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy/sour grapes]] at work.
** There\\\'s definitely bitterness on both sides concerning interracial dating/marriages. But from an objective point of view it\\\'s waaay more negative for a black man, due to the reasons that was already mentioned. And there\\\'s alot more \\\"bitterness\\\" on the female side. Mostly because of the myth that there\\\'s not enough eligible black men to go around. But the fact of the matter is when it comes to marriage blackmen rich, or middle class still OVERWHELMINGLY marries other black women. So while IR relationships between BM/WW are slowly increasing, it\\\'s still rather rare to see IR couples in general together. Whether or not that\\\'s a good or bad thing is up for debate.
*** You can\\\'t help but think the ButNotTooBlack trope caused a lot of this sometimes unfair resentment towards black men (and women whom have a lighter shade)though.
** On the subject of interracial dating, most people don\\\'t seem to have a problem with an Arab woman dating a Caucasian man. The opposite, however, seems to be warrant a lot of complaints.
* And on that note - any laws decreeing that a drunken partner is unable to give consent, even if they\\\'re conscious. While an [[YourMileageMayVary agreeable idea]], the application of this type of law is \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' uneven, as most guys who make the \\\"Drunken mistake\\\" will be encouraged to just accept it, while women would be treated (relatively) compassionately.
* An episode of {{Jerry Springer}}\\\'s SpringerShow-esque gameshow \\\'Baggage\\\' has this. The woman whom is choosing from three guys finds out of the three men enjoys group sex, and gets rid of him... Only for us to find out at the end she\\\'s currently dating \\\'\\\'FIVE\\\'\\\' men at once, none of whom know about the others, [[{{Irony}} claiming not wanting to be hurt]]. Everyone sympathizes with her, and the guy decides to try a relationship with her.
* One common sitcom trope involves a woman trying to be more powerful in her relationship with her man. The woman is usually presented as reasonable, while the man tends to \\\'\\\'instantly\\\'\\\' become a knuckle-dragging chauvinist. Very rarely is this shown with any sort of sympathy for the man\\\'s side at all. He will almost always be ExiledToTheCouch until he learns to see how reasonable the woman is being.
** Another is where a woman being physically abusive and a straight up bitch to her husband others but no one dares hit her for the reason of being \\\"more down to earth then her husband\\\". See Carrie Heffernand of KingOfQueens or Debra Ramone of EveryBodyLovesRaymond for examples of that bullshit.
** To be fair to KingOfQueens Carrie \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' seen as something of a bitch by the other characters, and while Doug is considered slightly dim, he\\\'s also considered exceedingly patient for putting up with her.
* Until recently, there was a law in Alabama that allowed women specifically to get out of paying alimony in divorce cases. It\\\'s now been struck down by the Supreme Court.
** Singapore\\\'s \\\"empowered\\\" wives can still extract maintenance from their husbands, who have no right to do the same to them. And the husband can be JAILED for failing to pay.
* In the past few decades it was quite common for child custody cases to automatically assign custody to the mother regardless of which parent was actually more fit to raise the child. A couple hundred years ago it was the other way around - children were \\\'\\\'always\\\'\\\' the property of the father, no matter what.
** It\\\'s very rare for non-custodial mothers to be required to pay child support, but overwhelmingly common for non-custodial fathers, even if they never wanted the child in the first place. If a women deliberately deceives a man (by say, going off her birth control) and gets pregnant, that man is \\\'\\\'still\\\'\\\' legally required to support the child until his 18th birthday.
*** Ironically, the media attention brought to custody cases by the \\\"Father\\\'s Rights Movement\\\" now means that if a mother in a divorce case cites abuse on the part of the father, the court is LESS likely to award full custody to her, and lawyers advise their clients to keep quiet about such things even if they\\\'re true.
**** This sad state of affairs is largely due to the very sad and frightening inability of the justice system to be truly unbiased. In the past women could make false claims that their husbands were abusive, perhaps even child molesters, in order to gain custody and not face any retaliation. Now that they\\\'ve been called out on it instead of trying to examine the issues more closely most judges have simply become suspicious of any claims of abuse in child custody cases. Of course there are still some judges that assume the opposite, that if a woman claims abuse it is automatically true, so what happens in such cases generally depends on what judge you get and their prejudices and double standards.
* \\\"[[http://jezebel.com/5572097/why-shameless-objectification-can-be-a-good-thing Why Shameless Objectification can be a good thing - Jezebel]]\\\". Basically, it\\\'s an article explaining why it\\\'s okay for women to objectify male athletes, but it\\\'s not okay for men to do the same. The other comments are similarly full of fail, including [[http://jezebel.com/comment/25118000 this one]], which implies \\\'\\\'women fundamentally don\\\'t \\\"ogle\\\" in the same manner men do\\\'\\\'.
** This is actually something that\\\'s been seen in several advertisements in the UK. Diet Coke? Women ogle hot guy in an elevator. Kinder Bueno? One where women stare at a waiter\\\'s posterior and another where they steal a man\\\'s clothing so he has to leave a sauna naked. Aero? Just a well-built man in nothing but a towel talking into camera in an alluring manner. Galaxy Minstrels? A whole audience full of women ogling male strippers on a stage, a la The Full Monty (which adds to what an above troper pointed out about \\\"the reasons men and women enjoy watching strippers\\\"). Reverse the genders in any of those adverts and there\\\'d be a colossal number of complaints.
*** And let\\\'s not forget the Eurpean ads for \\\'\\\'Ski\\\'\\\' yoghurt: Ogling attractive women is bad, but ogling attractive men is a-okay.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgTBx2Sgmp4 This ad]] recieved some complains because of the UnfortunateImplications that Mike Rowe was saying \\\"black women are icky\\\". The fact that the woman in question just touched his jeans without his permission, which could be construed as \\\'\\\'sexual assault\\\'\\\', went largely unnoticed.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ0M9CBEkw0 This ad.]] Lots of the comments make the very valid point that if this were a baby girl and adult men were looking at her like that, the UnfortunateImplications would be off the chart.
** It\\\'s closer to home, too. You know those McDonald\\\'s snack wrap ads? The girlfriend mentions how her friend\\\'s new boyfriend thinks \\\"Sundays are just for football.\\\" The guy\\\'s gotta be on his toes and react in just the right way or he\\\'s out of the house. And the one from the woman\\\'s point of view... the guy just wants to nap on the couch instead of spending his weekend painting the garage, but she finds another job for him. Can you see either of those with the genders flipped?
* A more sad and heartbreaking example of this is the fact that closeted gay females whom are already in a heterosexual relationships are seen waay more sympathetically than gay closeted males in hetero relationships. The former is seen as someone that was a victim of society\\\'s norms, while the latter are seen as a bunch of selfish men whom are spreading STDs within the female populace. In other words, it\\\'s society\\\'s fault when a closet Lesbian has same-sex affairs, but a gay man\\\'s fault if he does. Closeted women are never judged on how this effects their spouse or children if they have any, while the men are seen as horrible and irresponsible.
** YMMV. This one \\\'\\\'really\\\'\\\' depends on which crowds you hang out with and their opinions on homosexuality. And arguably it\\\'s just another example of the \\\"cheating men are pigs, cheating women are just yearning for love\\\" stereotype described throughout this page.
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*** It may be more of a fact that the children are the ones who are suffering the most. Still, the idea that the woman in question is treated as blameless through the ordeal while the man faces backlash for even \\\'\\\'thinking\\\'\\\' that the baby couldn\\\'t be his while he has every reason to believe so is ridiculous.
**** Let\\\'s also notice that the men on this show aren\\\'t doing themselves any favors. They never seem to make a logical point, saying \\\"She\\\'s brought six guys on this show, there is a good chance it\\\'s not mine.\\\" They seem to look for the dumbest guys that can find who will say nothing except, \\\"SHE\\\'S JUST A SLUT. THAT KID AIN\\\'T MINE!\\\"
** It gets worse than that. One episode consisted of a woman who is suspected of cheating on her husband and the idea that the child might not be his. When she comes out she is \\\'\\\'surprisingly\\\'\\\' booed. Maury was flabbergasted by the lack of sympathy, asking why they were booing her (with loud declarations of her being a cheater from the audience). Could you imagine this reaction from Maury if the genders were reversed? Seriously, the borderline misandry on the show is infuriating.
--->\\\'\\\'\\\'Maury:\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\"This is the seventh time you\\\'ve been on our show.\\\" \\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'\\\'Woman:\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\"I know this one\\\'s the father, Maury! I\\\'m \\\'\\\'\\\'a million percent sho\\\'!\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\"\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'\\\'Maury:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[spoiler:\\\"You are NOT the father!\\\"]]\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'\\\'Man:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[spoiler:[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2i0ts-uck * dance of joy* ]](the music was edited in afterwards)]]
** There was one show where a woman was convinced that her husband was cheating and got mad when the lie detector proved her wrong. Even Maury thought she was crazy.
*** Well if they used a polygraph then she may not be, because those things aren\\\'t exactly accurate.
*** It could also be that the woman was so dead set in thinking her husband was cheating that nothing in the world could convince her that she is wrong. Some women do still believe in the \\\"once a cheater always a cheater\\\" motto.
** Averted by the Steve Wilkos show, though he usually deals with more serious issues like abuse and rape accusations, but sometimes cheating comes up as a secondary issue. A woman who cheated on her girlfriend and falsely cried rape on the man who got her pregnant and a mother who, according to the Lie Detector tests, apparently cheated on her husband \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' abused \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' neglected their children were booed by the audience and told to get off Steve\\\'s chair just as vehemently as male cheaters/abusers, if not \\\'\\\'more so\\\'\\\'.
*** Except the one episode where he vehemently refused to [[RapeIsOkWhenItIsFemaleOnMale believe a man had been raped]], to the point where said man looked like he was going to breakdown. WallBanger? Yes, indeed. But given that it\\\'s Steve Wilkos, who switches between having AwesomeMoments, {{Narm}}, and WallBanger status...
** On one episode of Steve Wilkos starred a divorced couple in which the husband had cheated. He was maintianing that she was interfering with his visits to his daughter. She stated otherwise. either point was just \\\"he said, she said\\\". Steve brought them both on stage to \\\"talk it out\\\". It was his turn to talk. Not only did she talk over him, she invaded his personal space. (specifically, she made an intimidation stance less than a foot away from him.) This caused the situation to devolve into an argument. The husband was forced to leave the stage because he was a \\\"jackass\\\" even though much of what he said was just \\\"get out of my face.\\\" To make it clear, he did not retaliate.
* Largely averted in the British equivalent, \\\'\\\'The Jeremy Kyle Show\\\'\\\'. \\\'\\\'All\\\'\\\' cheats are depicted as the bad guys of the show unless they\\\'re genuinely apologetic.
* The RealityShow \\\'\\\'Tool Acadamy\\\'\\\'. Men who are lacking in social/ relationship skills are tricked by their long suffering girlfriends into competing for the title of \\\"Mr. Awesome\\\". The Acadamy is actually a charm school where the women have placed the men to learn to be better boyfriends. True, some of these guys are indeed [[JerkAss JerkAsses]], but just try to imagine a DiStaffCounterpart to this. Just try.
** Well, they do have female \\\"tools\\\" on the show now.
*** And in general, the \\\'\\\'Charm School\\\'\\\' shows that were spin-offs of \\\'\\\'Flavor of Love\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Rock of Love\\\'\\\' did roughly the same thing, basically trying to improve their bad behaviour. The big difference is that while \\\'\\\'Charm School\\\'\\\' is trying to improve the girls to be better people in general, whereas \\\'\\\'Tool Academy\\\'\\\' is trying to turn the guys into better boyfriends. Rather than just make them better people, the premise is more \\\"shape them to their girlfriend\\\'s will so their girlfriends aren\\\'t ashamed of them.\\\" On both shows, the women win.
* Several years back on Oprah Winfrey\\\'s talk show, a researcher was getting disbelieving catcalls from the (normally very well-behaved) audience when she pointed out that there had to be just about as many women as men cheating in relationships. She asked if they believed there was a pool of a few dozen women all the cheating men shared? She also explicitly described the \\\"When he cheats it\\\'s his fault, when she cheats, it\\\'s his fault\\\" DoubleStandard.
* Prince Charles and Lady Diana. Both were apparently unfaithful; Diana had multiple acknowledged lovers, most of whom were ignored after her divorce; Charles had one, Camilla Parker Bowles, to whom he is now married, and they were together even from long before Diana came into the picture. Of course, Charles is an evil insensitive scumbag who drove poor sad and saintly Diana to it. \\\'\\\'Camilla\\\'\\\', meanwhile...
** Part of the reason Charles is labeled as the worse one is that Camilla Parker Bowles \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' in the picture long before he married Diana and many people feel that he should have never married Diana in the first place with those feelings. But, being the Prince, his family insisted he marry someone, and Camilla wasn\\\'t eligible.
** One of her biographers even said flat out that she slept with a reporter to get him to write a fluff piece about her.
** During an episode of \\\'\\\'HaveIGotNewsForYou\\\'\\\' following Diana\\\'s 1995 interview on \\\'\\\'Panorama\\\'\\\', Ian Hislop criticised the selective blindness Diana (and the public) seemed to have regarding adultery in her marriage to Charles. \\\"She said there were three of us in the marriage, which shows that her maths doesn\\\'t change much. (counting on fingers) Hewitt, Hoare, Gilbey, Charles, Camilla....\\\"
** I actually heard some people saying that Charles was [[BeautyEqualsGoodness wrong]] because he loved the older and less attractive of the two women. No comment.
* [[http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/17/tanya-gold-stripping This article]] claims that women watching male strippers are just having fun, while men watching female strippers have \\\"darker reasons\\\". The quality of the research is heavily debated in the 700+ comments; in particular, the fact that the journalist (a woman, for what\\\'s it\\\'s worth) doesn\\\'t appear to have actually asked any \\\'\\\'men\\\'\\\' -- whether a male stripper or a man who watches female strippers -- what \\\'\\\'they\\\'\\\' think about all of this, having focused entirely on interviewing the women, has not gone unnoticed.
** Not to mention the huge rift between her two sources of \\\"fact-checking:\\\" a Chippendale\\\'s tour for the male strippers and the dingiest, dirtiest rat hole imaginable for the female strippers.
* Christopher Titus\\\'s relationships, for the most part - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyVjgp-HR-8=related he manages to find the humor in it, though]]. For a bigger bonus, watch from 4:00, where he establishes his side of the divorce from his wife.
* A weirdly handled subset of this is any case of teacher/student affairs (see PaedoHunt). If it is a male teacher and female student, then obviously he used his power and authority to take advantage, and anyone who questions the female\\\'s innocence is misogynist. But if it is a case of female teacher/male student such as Mary Kay Letorneau and Debra LaFave, not only do some accept that the woman must have been lonely and/or desperate (the boy either stupid or lucky), but it automatically gets more media attention than the former due to the supposed rarity. LaFave\\\'s case was especially {{egregious}}.
** Plenty excuse it when it\\\'s male teacher/female student as well - read the \\\'\\\'comments\\\'\\\' on any such news story. However, the media themselves are pretty insistent on this trope. If they admitted that not all men were evil and not all women were innocent they\\\'d have less sensationalistic nonsense to scream about?
** Of course not! They\\\'d have twice as much!
** There was a female/female case of this in the UK recently, and the judge even said that no-one had any right to break them up.
*** [[SouthPark Nice]].
* There is a joke that says that the real reason for this trope is that women are just better at hiding their affairs than men are. Of course, a number of men don\\\'t believe \\\'\\\'their\\\'\\\' wife or girlfriend could possible be capable of cheating...
** There is a theory that more men cheat for \\\'\\\'adventure\\\'\\\' than anything else, and have a compulsive need to be found out (although some don\\\'t), where as women like to keep there\\\'s on \\\"The Down Low\\\".
*** This troper knows a marriage counselor who says that when men cheat it\\\'s usually just for sex or for thrills but when women cheat it\\\'s usually because they\\\'ve fallen in love with another man. This, he argues, is why male adulterers are more reviled. Cheating for sex or thrills seems callous and heartless. Cheating for love seems like the act of a poor lonely victim of an uncaring spouse. Ironically, however, the former is easy for a counselor to fix while the latter is often the death-knell of a marriage.
* Insults. It\\\'s ok for a girl to abuse a man so bad that Gunny Hartman would be proud. But if you\\\'re a guy, don\\\'t even think about letting slip the F word on a girl... or you\\\'ll get slapped. (And let\\\'s not even go into the whole hitting thing.)
** No, let\\\'s. It\\\'s got to come up sooner or later. [[http://boundlessthoughts.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/25-things-a-perfect-guy-would-do/ This article]], listing \\\"25 Things a perfect guy should do\\\" has been circulating around the internet in several different versions for a while now. The list includes some cliched romantic bullshit like \\\"His hands always find yours\\\" and that he should \\\"Dance with you, even if he feels like a dork\\\", etc. Guess what No. 15 is? That he should \\\"React so cutely when you hit him and it actually hurts.\\\" I repeat: He should \\\"React so cutely when you hit him and it actually hurts.\\\" What the \\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'fuck\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'? It\\\'s unknown where exactly this originated from, although the whole thing seems to have started in \\\"The Twilight Archives\\\" fanfiction site with a post labelled [[http://www.twilightarchives.com/viewuser.php?uid=9425 21 Things a sweet guy would do]] (scroll down a bit, it\\\'s actually a \\\'\\\'profile page\\\'\\\') and seems to have been added to over time. By multiple women. All of whom \\\'\\\'retained No. 15\\\'\\\'. Seriously, \\\'\\\'\\\'WHAT THE FUCK?\\\'\\\'\\\' The article has not gone uncommented on by several pissed-off males \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' females, who have replied with many, many [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarous]] comments which can be read [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.132161-25-Things-a-Perfect-Guy-Would-Do?page=8 here]], and [[http://www.flyffworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127017 here]]. This troper can\\\'t help wonder what any female tropers who are reading this have to say about it.
*** That I\\\'m very scared and glad I\\\'m not dating those girls?
*** \\\"* 15. React so cutely when you hit him and it actually hurts.\\\" / \\\"Also fuck that. You hit me and I hit you back. If you are able to hit me hard enough that you can actually hurt me, you can take a retaliatory beating just fine\\\"
*** This female troper would sooner date a pencil sharpener than any man that fit that description. She doesn\\\'t want to hurt people, doesn\\\'t like to be touched, or listen to anyone who can\\\'t sing. Also keep away from my hair. And if he wants to watch \\\"the game\\\", go ahead. I\\\'m probably watching [=DVDs=] on my laptop anyway. I don\\\'t like drinking, smoking, or drugs, but that one seems out of place. And act cute if he wants something? That\\\'s the job of little kids and animals.
*** This male troper would like to ask to above troper to marry him because she seems like the coolest woman he\\\'s ever met. :)
*** This female troper find this stuff to be more misogynistic than romantic/attractive, and deconstructs every one of these that is sent to her over facebook.
*** BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, in case the injured party decides to go GrotesqueCute.
*** [[TheBestPageInTheUniverse Maddox]] [[http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=26_things deconstructed those back in]] [[OlderThanTheyThink 2003]], quite thoroughly.
** Let\\\'s get back to the hitting thing. This trope in general is part of the reason that more than a few people are saying that teaching your sons to \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' hit a woman is a bad idea. There are multiple studies showing that women are just as likely (if not moreso) to be violent in a relationship. They also realize that female-on-male violence can actually be worse since 1) a man is less likely to fight back or report it, partially because of this trope, and 2) since women realize they\\\'re outmatched strength-wise, they\\\'re more likely to use weapons. They think that it should be changed to basically \\\"don\\\'t be abusive, but don\\\'t be a punching bag either. if your girlfriend is drunk, angry and coming at you with a baseball bat, don\\\'t feel guilty if you give her a hearty shove to get to safety.\\\" [[http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/155944/why_you_should_not_teach_your_son_never.html?cat=25 This article]] (from a woman) sums up the argument pretty well.
* The Oprah Show (as mentioned above) oozes this trope as well. Except Oprah \\\'\\\'herself\\\'\\\' is very subtle about it.
* A More dicey example would be the fact that black men aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'allowed\\\'\\\' to like [[AmbiguouslyBrown fair-skinned]] [[ButNotTooBlack black women]], let alone white women; if you do, you\\\'re everything that\\\'s wrong with black men (even if you admit to liking dark-skinned black women as well). And that\\\'s not even bringing up the DoubleStandard of interracial dating. Black females who date or marry white guys are seen as women who have traded up for a better life and stability ([[UnfortunateImplications the trade-up is never a non-white male though]]). While black males who show any interest in white women are seen as weak and sellouts.
** While the abovementioned double standard can happen, the opposite often applies as well. Black women who date and marry interracially are also often viewed negatively and as sellouts. . .by the same black men who see nothing wrong with dating or marrying interracially themselves (not that there\\\'s anything wrong with interracial relationships of any kind).
*** And to come full circle, the aforementioned black men who date non-black women are seen as weak and sellouts. . . often by the same black women who have \\\"traded up\\\" for a better life and stability. Basically it\\\'s [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy/sour grapes]] at work.
** There\\\'s definitely bitterness on both sides concerning interracial dating/marriages. But from an objective point of view it\\\'s waaay more negative for a black man, due to the reasons that was already mentioned. And there\\\'s alot more \\\"bitterness\\\" on the female side. Mostly because of the myth that there\\\'s not enough eligible black men to go around. But the fact of the matter is when it comes to marriage blackmen rich, or middle class still OVERWHELMINGLY marries other black women. So while IR relationships between BM/WW are slowly increasing, it\\\'s still rather rare to see IR couples in general together. Whether or not that\\\'s a good or bad thing is up for debate.
*** You can\\\'t help but think the ButNotTooBlack trope caused a lot of this sometimes unfair resentment towards black men (and women whom have a lighter shade)though.
** On the subject of interracial dating, most people don\\\'t seem to have a problem with an Arab woman dating a Caucasian man. The opposite, however, seems to be warrant a lot of complaints.
* And on that note - any laws decreeing that a drunken partner is unable to give consent, even if they\\\'re conscious. While an [[YourMileageMayVary agreeable idea]], the application of this type of law is \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' uneven, as most guys who make the \\\"Drunken mistake\\\" will be encouraged to just accept it, while women would be treated (relatively) compassionately.
* An episode of {{Jerry Springer}}\\\'s SpringerShow-esque gameshow \\\'Baggage\\\' has this. The woman whom is choosing from three guys finds out of the three men enjoys group sex, and gets rid of him... Only for us to find out at the end she\\\'s currently dating \\\'\\\'FIVE\\\'\\\' men at once, none of whom know about the others, [[{{Irony}} claiming not wanting to be hurt]]. Everyone sympathizes with her, and the guy decides to try a relationship with her.
* One common sitcom trope involves a woman trying to be more powerful in her relationship with her man. The woman is usually presented as reasonable, while the man tends to \\\'\\\'instantly\\\'\\\' become a knuckle-dragging chauvinist. Very rarely is this shown with any sort of sympathy for the man\\\'s side at all. He will almost always be ExiledToTheCouch until he learns to see how reasonable the woman is being.
** Another is where a woman being physically abusive and a straight up bitch to her husband others but no one dares hit her for the reason of being \\\"more down to earth then her husband\\\". See Carrie Heffernand of KingOfQueens or Debra Ramone of EveryBodyLovesRaymond for examples of that bullshit.
** To be fair to KingOfQueens Carrie \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' seen as something of a bitch by the other characters, and while Doug is considered slightly dim, he\\\'s also considered exceedingly patient for putting up with her.
* Until recently, there was a law in Alabama that allowed women specifically to get out of paying alimony in divorce cases. It\\\'s now been struck down by the Supreme Court.
** Singapore\\\'s \\\"empowered\\\" wives can still extract maintenance from their husbands, who have no right to do the same to them. And the husband can be JAILED for failing to pay.
* In the past few decades it was quite common for child custody cases to automatically assign custody to the mother regardless of which parent was actually more fit to raise the child. A couple hundred years ago it was the other way around - children were \\\'\\\'always\\\'\\\' the property of the father, no matter what.
** It\\\'s very rare for non-custodial mothers to be required to pay child support, but overwhelmingly common for non-custodial fathers, even if they never wanted the child in the first place. If a women deliberately deceives a man (by say, going off her birth control) and gets pregnant, that man is \\\'\\\'still\\\'\\\' legally required to support the child until his 18th birthday.
*** Ironically, the media attention brought to custody cases by the \\\"Father\\\'s Rights Movement\\\" now means that if a mother in a divorce case cites abuse on the part of the father, the court is LESS likely to award full custody to her, and lawyers advise their clients to keep quiet about such things even if they\\\'re true.
**** This sad state of affairs is largely due to the very sad and frightening inability of the justice system to be truly unbiased. In the past women could make false claims that their husbands were abusive, perhaps even child molesters, in order to gain custody and not face any retaliation. Now that they\\\'ve been called out on it instead of trying to examine the issues more closely most judges have simply become suspicious of any claims of abuse in child custody cases. Of course there are still some judges that assume the opposite, that if a woman claims abuse it is automatically true, so what happens in such cases generally depends on what judge you get and their prejudices and double standards.
* \\\"[[http://jezebel.com/5572097/why-shameless-objectification-can-be-a-good-thing Why Shameless Objectification can be a good thing - Jezebel]]\\\". Basically, it\\\'s an article explaining why it\\\'s okay for women to objectify male athletes, but it\\\'s not okay for men to do the same. The other comments are similarly full of fail, including [[http://jezebel.com/comment/25118000 this one]], which implies \\\'\\\'women fundamentally don\\\'t \\\"ogle\\\" in the same manner men do\\\'\\\'.
** This is actually something that\\\'s been seen in several advertisements in the UK. Diet Coke? Women ogle hot guy in an elevator. Kinder Bueno? One where women stare at a waiter\\\'s posterior and another where they steal a man\\\'s clothing so he has to leave a sauna naked. Aero? Just a well-built man in nothing but a towel talking into camera in an alluring manner. Galaxy Minstrels? A whole audience full of women ogling male strippers on a stage, a la The Full Monty (which adds to what an above troper pointed out about \\\"the reasons men and women enjoy watching strippers\\\"). Reverse the genders in any of those adverts and there\\\'d be a colossal number of complaints.
*** And let\\\'s not forget the Eurpean ads for \\\'\\\'Ski\\\'\\\' yoghurt: Ogling attractive women is bad, but ogling attractive men is a-okay.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgTBx2Sgmp4 This ad]] recieved some complains because of the UnfortunateImplications that Mike Rowe was saying \\\"black women are icky\\\". The fact that the woman in question just touched his jeans without his permission, which could be construed as \\\'\\\'sexual assault\\\'\\\', went largely unnoticed.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ0M9CBEkw0 This ad.]] Lots of the comments make the very valid point that if this were a baby girl and adult men were looking at her like that, the UnfortunateImplications would be off the chart.
** It\\\'s closer to home, too. You know those McDonald\\\'s snack wrap ads? The girlfriend mentions how her friend\\\'s new boyfriend thinks \\\"Sundays are just for football.\\\" The guy\\\'s gotta be on his toes and react in just the right way or he\\\'s out of the house. And the one from the woman\\\'s point of view... the guy just wants to nap on the couch instead of spending his weekend painting the garage, but she finds another job for him. Can you see either of those with the genders flipped?
* A more sad and heartbreaking example of this is the fact that closeted gay females whom are already in a heterosexual relationships are seen waay more sympathetically than gay closeted males in hetero relationships. The former is seen as someone that was a victim of society\\\'s norms, while the latter are seen as a bunch of selfish men whom are spreading STDs within the female populace. In other words, it\\\'s society\\\'s fault when a closet Lesbian has same-sex affairs, but a gay man\\\'s fault if he does. Closeted women are never judged on how this effects their spouse or children if they have any, while the men are seen as horrible and irresponsible.
** YMMV. This one \\\'\\\'really\\\'\\\' depends on which crowds you hang out with and their opinions on homosexuality. And arguably it\\\'s just another example of the \\\"cheating men are pigs, cheating women are just yearning for love\\\" stereotype described throughout this page.
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