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1) \\\"They wanted to show how dangerous it would be for a real life kid to play superhero in a city like Gotham.\\\" No, they showed how dangerous it was for a \\\'\\\'person\\\'\\\' to play superhero. He was not defeated in a way that would have spared an adult, he was not more vulnerable because he was a child, it was standard \\\"Lure in a good guy and whack him over the back of the head.\\\" Batman himself was knocked out and tied up on more than one occasion in this series by enemies showing no more skill than was used to knock out Robin. After the Joker was defeated here, Batman shut out both Batgirl and Nightewing, who were into adulthood by now, because he saw the dangers to everybody, not just little kids.
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any more or less traumatized than Robin.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. even without any great personal trauma or grand event. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences stemming from a trope, not just saying \\\"See, XXXXXX is present, and the situation is very bad.\\\"
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any more or less traumatized than Robin.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. even without any great personal trauma or grand event. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences stemming from a trope, not just saying \\\"See, XXXXXX is present, and the situation is very bad.\\\"
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1) \\\"They wanted to show how dangerous it would be for a real life kid to play superhero in a city like Gotham.\\\" No, they showed how dangerous it was for a \\\'\\\'person\\\'\\\' to play superhero. He was not defeated in a way that would have spared an adult, he was not more vulnerable because he was a child, it was standard \\\"Lure in a good guy and whack him over the back of the head.\\\" Batman himself was knocked out and tied up on more than one occasion in this series by enemies showing no more skill than was used to knock out Robin. After the Joker was defeated here, Batman shut out both Batgirl and Nightewing, who were into adulthood by now, because he saw the dangers to everybody, not just little kids.
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. even without any great personal trauma or grand event. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences stemming from a trope, not just saying \\\"See, XXXXXX is present, and the situation is very bad.\\\"
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. even without any great personal trauma or grand event. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences stemming from a trope, not just saying \\\"See, XXXXXX is present, and the situation is very bad.\\\"
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1) \\\"They wanted to show how dangerous it would be for a real life kid to play superhero in a city like Gotham.\\\" No, they showed how dangerous it was for a \\\'\\\'person\\\'\\\' to play superhero. He was not defeated in a way that would have spared an adult, he was not more vulnerable because he was a child, it was standard \\\"Lure in a good guy and whack him over the back of the head.\\\" Batman himself was knocked out and tied up on more than one occasion in this series by enemies showing no more skill than was used to knock out Robin. After the Joker was defeated here, Batman shut out both Batgirl and Nightewing, who were into adulthood by now, because he saw the dangers to everybody, not just little kids.
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences stemming from a trope, not just saying \\\"See, XXXXXX is present, and the situation is very bad.\\\"
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences stemming from a trope, not just saying \\\"See, XXXXXX is present, and the situation is very bad.\\\"
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1) \\\"They wanted to show how dangerous it would be for a real life kid to play superhero in a city like Gotham.\\\" No, they showed how dangerous it was for a \\\'\\\'person\\\'\\\' to play superhero. He was not defeated in a way that would have spared an adult, he was not more vulnerable because he was a child, it was standard \\\"Lure in a good guy and whack him over the back of the head.\\\" Batman himself was knocked out and tied up on more than one occasion in this series by enemies showing no more skill than was used to knock out Robin. After the Joker was defeated here, Batman shut out both Batgirl and Nightewing, who were into adulthood by now, because he saw the dangers to everybody, not just little kids.
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences, not just saying \\\"See, bad stuff happens when XXXXX is involved.\\\"
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {{Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself with Terry (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Not just the immediate problem of always being beaten up, but the long-term detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, the frequent re-breaking of bones that has a cumulative weakening of your musculature, etc). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences, not just saying \\\"See, bad stuff happens when XXXXX is involved.\\\"
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1) \\\"They wanted to show how dangerous it would be for a real life kid to play superhero in a city like Gotham.\\\" No, they showed how dangerous it was for a \\\'\\\'person\\\'\\\' to play superhero. He was not defeated in a way that would have spared an adult, he was not more vulnerable because he was a child, it was standard \\\"Lure in a good guy and whack him over the back of the head.\\\" Batman himself was knocked out and tied up on more than one occasion in this series by enemies showing no more skill than was used to knock out Robin. After the Joker was defeated here, Batman shut out both Batgirl and Nightewing, who were into adulthood by now, because he saw the dangers to everybody, not just little kids.
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {[Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Always being beaten up). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences, not just saying \\\"See, bad stuff happens when XXXXX is involved.\\\"
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
EDIT: For an actual deconstruction of the KidHero genre, I reommend classic {[Spiderman}}, and even the majority of BatmanBeyond series itself (Although BB is a rather light deconstruction). In both they have to deal with the negative impact on their professional lives/careers (Time spent hero-ing leaves them no time for studying or working), their personal lives (Always leaving family and friends, never getting enough sleep, etc.) and even their physical health (Always being beaten up). Their stories constantly point out how, despite the coolness that comes with their abilities, the very nature of doing what they do means their lives are painful, emotionally empty, a risk to their loved ones, etc. \\\'\\\'That\\\'s\\\'\\\' a {{deconstruction}}, showing the real-life consequences, not just saying \\\"See, bad stuff happens when XXXXX is involved.\\\"
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1) \\\"They wanted to show how dangerous it would be for a real life kid to play superhero in a city like Gotham.\\\" No, they showed how dangerous it was for a \\\'\\\'person\\\'\\\' to play superhero. He was not defeated in a way that would have spared an adult, he was not more vulnerable because he was a child, it was standard \\\"Lure in a good guy and whack him over the back of the head.\\\" Batman himself was knocked out and tied up on more than one occasion in this series by enemies showing no more skill than was used to knock out Robin. After the Joker was defeated here, Batman shut out both Batgirl and Nightewing, who were into adulthood by now, because he saw the dangers to everybody, not just little kids.
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
2) \\\"And they also showed that the trauma would had been much more damaging to a kid than it would had been to an adult...If it was Nightwing or Gordon, than they wouldn\\\'t have been as traumatized as Robin, as they\\\'ve learned to endure it, but not Robin\\\" They showed no such thing. They never showed a comparison with an adult being tortured, never said \\\"And it was worse because he was so young.\\\" We have no reason to believe an adult would have been any less traumatized than Robin, and real life pysychological studies show that kids can be \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' resilient to trauma and stress in certain situations.
3) \\\"The kid ended up with PTSD due what happened to him.\\\" No, he didn\\\'t. He was brainwashed and [[GrandTheftMe body-jacked]] by advanced technology, he was MindRaped. He was tortured until his mind broke, yes, but the nightmares that haunted him as an adult were the byproduct of bizarre technology and delusions created by his brain attemtping to handle having his DNA rewritten. Until the Joker reawakened he had managed to come to terms with an adjust to what had happened to him, leaving his life as Robin behind. He did \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with which I am quite familiar, he exhibited symptons very close to PTSD that sprang from a completely unconnected cause.
Just having a DownerEnding and having a trope be the opposite of what we expect, dark and gritty instead of lighthearted, does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' make something a deconstruction.
