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\\\"Turtler, it just... stop\\\"
Sorry, but I like debate, and I have nothing better to do.
And as for your argument, it is built on a misunderstanding of what STSD means.
\\\"Joker lives and goes to try to warn the galaxy of the upcoming Reaper invasion.\\\"
You mean... like Shepard and his crew, in addition to Jahleed, Chorban, likely Anderson, and anyone else have tried to do? Simply put, almost anybody who is going to be convinced at a time prior to when it becomes hopelessly obvious and too late to prepare was convinced when Sovereign crashed through the Citadel. Joker\\\'s warnings bring appallingly little new to the table.
\\\"However, what no one else knows is, Galactus went and ate the entire Reaper fleet.\\\"
In which case, we have even bigger problems. And there is absolutely zero evidence of the presence of Galactus or anything powerful enough to stand in for him in this setting, and there is even less to indicate that it has waylaid the Reaper fleet in any way, shape, or form.
\\\"While this scenario isn\\\'t exactly a STSD for ME 2, it is one for the overarching storyline: Shepard gives everything to stop the Reapers, including his life, but Galactus eats the Reapers, effectively making Shepard and team\\\'s sacrifice pointless, especially since the Collectors were being directly controlled by Harbinger (who was eaten).\\\"
That would be a STSD, but only in one respect and not the conventional respect that STSD is meant. What you are referring to is a case where a Deus ex Machina destroys the bad guys after said Heroic Sacrifices, and that destruction would have happened regardless of whatever the Good guys did. That is a STSD story, but it is not the ONLY STSD story.
In this case, it would be \\\"Shepard gives everything to stop Reapers, including life and lives of team and crew, but Reapers power up and harvest rest of galaxy anyway, destroying absolutely everything that Shepard worked for over the course of two games and leaving the Council races and their contemporaries as nothing more than shadowy records for those \\\"lucky\\\" enough to be destined for the next cycle to find.\\\"
That is ALSO a STSD as defined by the STSD paage.
\\\"We don\\\'t know what Joker would have done in the worst ending, and because we don\\\'t know, we cannot call this a Shoot The Shaggy Dog, if only because we don\\\'t have enough information what what would happen next.\\\"
Perhaps, but again, he doesn\\\'t exactly have many options, does he?
\\\"EDIT: Illos was spared, if only because it wasn\\\'t stripped bare by the Reapers\\\"
Perhaps, but that doesn\\\'t explain the possibility that 500,000 years of inactivity might have allowed evolution to begin again.
\\\"(not to mention that if the facility was found, it would have been harvested for technology, especially for the working mini-Mass Relay).\\\"
True, but the reasons why it wasn\\\'t discovered aren\\\'t exactly clear, to say the least.
\\\"And yes, if the Normandy was destroyed by the Collector cruiser three seconds after using the Omega-4 relay, then that would be closer to a STSD then what you\\\'re trying to put out.\\\"
You are missing the point of my putting that forward. the question is WHY and HOW?
Sorry, but I like debate, and I have nothing better to do.
And as for your argument, it is built on a misunderstanding of what STSD means.
\\\"Joker lives and goes to try to warn the galaxy of the upcoming Reaper invasion.\\\"
You mean... like Shepard and his crew, in addition to Jahleed, Chorban, likely Anderson, and anyone else have tried to do? Simply put, almost anybody who is going to be convinced at a time prior to when it becomes hopelessly obvious and too late to prepare was convinced when Sovereign crashed through the Citadel. Joker\\\'s warnings bring appallingly little new to the table.
\\\"However, what no one else knows is, Galactus went and ate the entire Reaper fleet.\\\"
In which case, we have even bigger problems. And there is absolutely zero evidence of the presence of Galactus or anything powerful enough to stand in for him in this setting, and there is even less to indicate that it has waylaid the Reaper fleet in any way, shape, or form.
\\\"While this scenario isn\\\'t exactly a STSD for ME 2, it is one for the overarching storyline: Shepard gives everything to stop the Reapers, including his life, but Galactus eats the Reapers, effectively making Shepard and team\\\'s sacrifice pointless, especially since the Collectors were being directly controlled by Harbinger (who was eaten).\\\"
That would be a STSD, but only in one respect and not the conventional respect that STSD is meant. What you are referring to is a case where a Deus ex Machina destroys the bad guys after said Heroic Sacrifices, and that destruction would have happened regardless of whatever the Good guys did. That is a STSD story, but it is not the ONLY STSD story.
In this case, it would be \\\"Shepard gives everything to stop Reapers, including life and lives of team and crew, but Reapers power up and harvest rest of galaxy anyway, destroying absolutely everything that Shepard worked for over the course of two games and leaving the Council races and their contemporaries as nothing more than shadowy records for those \\\"lucky\\\" enough to be destined for the next cycle to find.\\\"
That is ALSO a STSD as defined by the STSD paage.
\\\"We don\\\'t know what Joker would have done in the worst ending, and because we don\\\'t know, we cannot call this a Shoot The Shaggy Dog, if only because we don\\\'t have enough information what what would happen next.\\\"
Perhaps, but again, he doesn\\\'t exactly have many options, does he?
\\\"EDIT: Illos was spared, if only because it wasn\\\'t stripped bare by the Reapers\\\"
Perhaps, but that doesn\\\'t explain the possibility that 500,000 years of inactivity might have allowed evolution to begin again.
\\\"(not to mention that if the facility was found, it would have been harvested for technology, especially for the working mini-Mass Relay).\\\"
True, but the reasons why it wasn\\\'t discovered aren\\\'t exactly clear, to say the least.
\\\"And yes, if the Normandy was destroyed by the Collector cruiser three seconds after using the Omega-4 relay, then that would be closer to a STSD then what you\\\'re trying to put out.\\\"
You are missing the point of my putting that forward. the question is WHY and HOW?
