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Japanese culture in the 1980s certainly had concepts about gender, even if they were not the same as current \
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Japanese culture in the 1980s certainly had concepts about gender, even if they were not the same as current \\\"Western\\\" ones. The default in Japanese culture in the 1980s would be to refer to an \\\'\\\'okama\\\'\\\' as he. When the author also calls him male, at least in his Japanese interviews, I don\\\'t think that should be too problematic.
\\\"They\\\" pronouns certainly don\\\'t reflect how Hibari is treated InUniverse. There he is called either \\\"he\\\" or \\\"she\\\" depending on who is talking and what they know. No one speaks of him as \\\"they\\\" (I don\\\'t think this idiosyncratic use of third person plural even exists in Japanese?) or uses circumlocutions like \\\"that person with an ambiguous gender\\\" or any such thing. If the entire page were to be written in that style, that would indeed give a very distorted impression of the series.
I have likewise stated my views and the reasons for them. With all respect to those who feel otherwise.
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Anyway, we\\\'ve been repeating a lot of arguments that were already treated earlier in the thread (and/or the previous one) so going by what\\\'s been said, we probably aren\\\'t all going to be able to agree in the end. And with this thread being this long and almost a month old, maybe it\\\'s time we asked for a moderator ruling or something.
Tropers/{{Crazysamaritan}}, if you\\\'re still reading this, any suggestions on how we should proceed from here?
\\\"They\\\" pronouns certainly don\\\'t reflect how Hibari is treated InUniverse. There he is called either \\\"he\\\" or \\\"she\\\" depending on who is talking and what they know. No one speaks of him as \\\"they\\\" (I don\\\'t think this idiosyncratic use of third person plural even exists in Japanese?) or uses circumlocutions like \\\"that person with an ambiguous gender\\\" or any such thing. If the entire page were to be written in that style, that would indeed give a very distorted impression of the series.
I have likewise stated my views and the reasons for them. With all respect to those who feel otherwise.
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Anyway, we\\\'ve been repeating a lot of arguments that were already treated earlier in the thread (and/or the previous one) so going by what\\\'s been said, we probably aren\\\'t all going to be able to agree in the end. And with this thread being this long and almost a month old, maybe it\\\'s time we asked for a moderator ruling or something.
Tropers/{{Crazysamaritan}}, if you\\\'re still reading this, any suggestions on how we should proceed from here?
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Japanese culture in the 1980s certainly had concepts about gender, even if they were not the same as current \
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Japanese culture in the 1980s certainly had concepts about gender, even if they were not the same as current \\\"Western\\\" ones. The default in Japanese culture in the 1980s would be to refer to an \\\'\\\'okama\\\'\\\' as he. When the author also calls him male, at least in his Japanese interviews, I don\\\'t think that should be too problematic.
\\\"They\\\" pronouns certainly don\\\'t reflect how Hibari is treated InUniverse. There he is called either \\\"he\\\" or \\\"she\\\" depending on who is talking and what they know. No one speaks of him as \\\"they\\\" (I don\\\'t think this idiosyncratic use of third person plural even exists in Japanese?) or uses circumlocutions like \\\"that person with an ambiguous gender\\\" or any such thing. If the entire page were to be written in that style, that would indeed give a very distorted impression of the series.
I have likewise stated my views and the reasons for them. With all respect to those who disagree.
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Anyway, we\\\'ve been repeating a lot of arguments that were already treated earlier in the thread (and/or the previous one) so going by what\\\'s been said, we probably aren\\\'t all going to be able to agree in the end. And with this thread being this long and almost a month old, maybe it\\\'s time we asked for a moderator ruling or something.
Tropers/{{Crazysamaritan}}, if you\\\'re still reading this, any suggestions on how we should proceed from here?
\\\"They\\\" pronouns certainly don\\\'t reflect how Hibari is treated InUniverse. There he is called either \\\"he\\\" or \\\"she\\\" depending on who is talking and what they know. No one speaks of him as \\\"they\\\" (I don\\\'t think this idiosyncratic use of third person plural even exists in Japanese?) or uses circumlocutions like \\\"that person with an ambiguous gender\\\" or any such thing. If the entire page were to be written in that style, that would indeed give a very distorted impression of the series.
I have likewise stated my views and the reasons for them. With all respect to those who disagree.
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Anyway, we\\\'ve been repeating a lot of arguments that were already treated earlier in the thread (and/or the previous one) so going by what\\\'s been said, we probably aren\\\'t all going to be able to agree in the end. And with this thread being this long and almost a month old, maybe it\\\'s time we asked for a moderator ruling or something.
Tropers/{{Crazysamaritan}}, if you\\\'re still reading this, any suggestions on how we should proceed from here?
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Japanese culture in the 1980s certainly had concepts about gender, even if they were not the same as current \
to:
Japanese culture in the 1980s certainly had concepts about gender, even if they were not the same as current \\\"Western\\\" ones. The default in Japanese culture in the 1980s would be to refer to an \\\'\\\'okama\\\'\\\' as he. When the author also calls him male, at least in his Japanese interviews, I don\\\'t think that should be too problematic.
\\\"They\\\" pronouns certainly don\\\'t reflect how Hibari is treated InUniverse. There he is called either \\\"he\\\" or \\\"she\\\" depending on who is talking and what they know. No one speaks of him as \\\"they\\\" (I don\\\'t think this idiosyncratic use of third person plural even exists in Japanese?) or uses circumlocutions like \\\"that person with an ambiguous gender\\\" or any such thing. If the entire page were to be written in that style, that would indeed give a very distorted impression of the series.
I have likewise stated my views and the reasons for them. With all respect to those who disagree.
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Anyway, we\\\'ve been repeating a lot of arguments that were already treated earlier in the thread (and/or the previous one) so going by what\\\'s been said, we probably aren\\\'t all going to be able to agree in the end. And with this thread being this long and almost a month old, maybe it\\\'s time we asked for a moderator ruling or something.
Tropers/Crazysamaritan, if you\\\'re still reading this, any suggestions on how we should proceed from here?
\\\"They\\\" pronouns certainly don\\\'t reflect how Hibari is treated InUniverse. There he is called either \\\"he\\\" or \\\"she\\\" depending on who is talking and what they know. No one speaks of him as \\\"they\\\" (I don\\\'t think this idiosyncratic use of third person plural even exists in Japanese?) or uses circumlocutions like \\\"that person with an ambiguous gender\\\" or any such thing. If the entire page were to be written in that style, that would indeed give a very distorted impression of the series.
I have likewise stated my views and the reasons for them. With all respect to those who disagree.
----
Anyway, we\\\'ve been repeating a lot of arguments that were already treated earlier in the thread (and/or the previous one) so going by what\\\'s been said, we probably aren\\\'t all going to be able to agree in the end. And with this thread being this long and almost a month old, maybe it\\\'s time we asked for a moderator ruling or something.
Tropers/Crazysamaritan, if you\\\'re still reading this, any suggestions on how we should proceed from here?
