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^ I have since read the almost the entire manga and I agree with gender neutral pronouns. the character reads as unambiguously trans to me, but that isn\'t exactly how its framed in the story- still, i think they/them is a good nuetral choice, and avoiding using pronouns when possible.
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^ I have since read the almost the entire manga and I agree with either gender neutral pronouns or she/her. the character reads as unambiguously trans to me, but that isn\\\'t exactly how its framed in the story- still, i think they/them is a good neutral choice, and avoiding using pronouns when possible.
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard \'\'\'(\
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard \\\'\\\'\\\'(\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about her assigned sex at birth after hearing her discuss her dysphorias\\\")\\\'\\\'\\\'. A reader who isnt familiar with the story should be able to read this page and get an accurate picture of the story as it was written.

\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about Hibari\\\'s biological sex after hearing her(them?) wishing she had breasts\\\"\\\'\\\'\\\' Something like that would be more accurately supported by the story as written

I think this page should not include any examples which state \\\"Hibari is trans\\\" as an objective fact, (even tho it clearly reads that way to me). They can say \\\"Many modern readers interpret Hibari as a trans girl\\\" or \\\"Hibari is often considered an example of early transgender character\\\" but not \\\"Hibari is trans and identifies as female.\\\"


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* \\\"Recently, though, Word of God has confirmed (when handled by a trusted translator who’s worked closely with the author) that Hibari is Transgender. Precise identity beyond that (binary or non binary) can be up for some debate, though.\\\"

Again, sounds very pushy of a modern western view on gender and also oddly defensive. It should point out that WordOfGod regarding Hibari\\\'s ender identity has differed throughout the years, and via different translators. It can link to the french interview if you want
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard \\\'\\\'\\\'(\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about her assigned sex at birth after hearing her discuss her dysphorias\\\")\\\'\\\'\\\'. A reader who isnt familiar with the story should be able to read this page and get an accurate picture of the story as it was written.

\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about Hibari\\\'s biological sex after hearing her(them?) wishing she had breasts\\\"\\\'\\\'\\\' Something like that would be more accurately supported by the story as written

I think this page should not include any examples which state \\\"Hibari is trans\\\" as an objective fact, (even tho it clearly reads that way to me). They can say \\\"Many modern readers interpret Hibari as a trans girl\\\" or \\\"Hibari is often considered an example of early transgender character\\\" but not \\\"Hibari is trans and identifies as female.\\\"


Last thing:

* \\\"Recently, though, Word of God has confirmed (when handled by a trusted translator who’s worked closely with the author) that Hibari is Transgender. Precise identity beyond that (binary or non binary) can be up for some debate, though.\\\"

Again, sounds very pushy of a modern western view on gender and also oddly defensive. It should point out that WordOfGod regarding Hibari\\\'s ender identity has differed throughout the years, and via different translators. It can link to the french interview if you want
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^ I have since read the almost the entire manga and I agree with gender neutral pronouns. the character reads as unambiguously trans to me, but that isn\'t exactly how its framed in the story- still, i think they/them is a good nuetral choice, and avoiding using pronouns unnesisarily.
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^ I have since read the almost the entire manga and I agree with gender neutral pronouns. the character reads as unambiguously trans to me, but that isn\\\'t exactly how its framed in the story- still, i think they/them is a good nuetral choice, and avoiding using pronouns when possible.
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about her assigned sex at birth after hearing her discuss her dysphorias\\\"). A reader who isnt familer with the story should be able to read this page and get an accurate picture of the story as it was written.

\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about Hibari\\\'s biological sex after hearing her(them?) wishing she had breasts\\\" Something like that would be more accurately supported by the story as written

I think this page should not include any examples which state \\\"Hibari is trans\\\" as an objective fact, (even tho it clearly reads that way to me). They can say \\\"Many modern readers interpret Hibari as a trans girl\\\" or \\\"Hibari is often considered an example of early transgender character\\\" but not \\\"Hibari is trans and identifies as female.\\\"

If its up to me, I would also avoid examples which state \\\"Hibari is \\\'\\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'\\\' trans and identifies as a boy\\\"

Last thing:

* \\\"Recently, though, Word of God has confirmed (when handled by a trusted translator who’s worked closely with the author) that Hibari is Transgender. Precise identity beyond that (binary or non binary) can be up for some debate, though.\\\"

Again, sounds very pushy of a modern western view on gender and also oddly defensive. It should point out that WordOfGod regarding Hibari\\\'s ender identity has differed throughout the years, and via different translators. It can link to the french interview if you want
Changed line(s) 1 from:
n
^ I have since read the almost the entire manga and I agree with gender neutral pronouns. the character reads as unambiguously trans to me, but that isn\'t exactly how its framed in the earlier translations- still, i think they/them is a good nuetral choice, and avoiding using pronouns unnesisarily.
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^ I have since read the almost the entire manga and I agree with gender neutral pronouns. the character reads as unambiguously trans to me, but that isn\\\'t exactly how its framed in the story- still, i think they/them is a good nuetral choice, and avoiding using pronouns unnesisarily.
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about her assigned sex at birth after hearing her discuss her dysphorias\\\"). A reader who isnt familer with the story should be able to read this page and get an accurate picture of the story as it was written.

\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about Hibari\\\'s biological sex after hearing her(them?) wishing she had breasts\\\" Something like that would be more accurately supported by the story as written

I think this page should not include any examples which state \\\"Hibari is trans\\\" as an objective fact, (even tho it clearly reads that way to me). They can say \\\"Many modern readers interpret Hibari as a trans girl\\\" or \\\"Hibari is often considered an example of early transgender character\\\" but not \\\"Hibari is trans and identifies as female.\\\"
If its up to me, I would also avoid examples which state \\\"Hibari is \\\'\\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'\\\' trans and identifies as a boy\\\"

Last thing:

* \\\"Recently, though, Word of God has confirmed (when handled by a trusted translator who’s worked closely with the author) that Hibari is Transgender. Precise identity beyond that (binary or non binary) can be up for some debate, though.\\\"

Again, sounds very pushy of a modern western view on gender and also oddly defensive. It should point out that WordOfGod regarding Hibari\\\'s ender identity has differed throughout the years, and via different translators. It can link to the french interview if you want
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about her assigned sex at birth after hearing her discuss her dysphorias\\\"). A reader who isnt familer with the story should be able to read this page and get an accurate picture of the story as it was written.

\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about Hibari\\\'s biological sex after hearing her(them?) wishing she had breasts\\\" Something like that would be more accurately supported by the story as written

I think this page should not include any examples which state \\\"Hibari is trans\\\" as an objective fact, (even tho it clearly reads that way to me). They can say \\\"Many modern readers interpret Hibari as a trans girl\\\" or \\\"Hibari is often considered an example of early transgender character\\\" but not \\\"Hibari is trans and identifies as female.\\\"
If its up to me, I would also avoid examples which state \\\"Hibari is \\\'\\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'\\\' trans and identifies as a boy\\\"

Last thing:

* \\\"Recently, though, Word of God has confirmed (when handled by a trusted translator who’s worked closely with the author) that Hibari is Transgender. Precise identity beyond that (binary or non binary) can be up for some debate, though.\\\"

Again, sounds very pushy of a modern western view on gender and also oddly defensive. It should point out that WordOfGod regarding Hibari\\\'s ender identity has differed throughout the years, and via different translators. It can link to the french interview if you want
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\
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I do think that some of the language you chose, Beedok, was pushing the modern perspective a little hard (\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about her assigned sex at birth after hearing her discuss her dysphorias\\\"). A reader who isnt familer with the story should be able to read this page and get an accurate picture of the story as it was written.

\\\"Hibari\\\'s flat chest becomes a plot point in one story, when some mean girls at school start suspecting the truth about Hibari\\\'s biological sex after hearing her(them?) wishing she had breasts\\\" Something like that would be more accurately supported by the story as written

I think this page should not include any examples which state \\\"Hibari is trans\\\" as an objective fact, (even tho it clearly reads that way to me). They can say \\\"Many modern readers interpret Hibari as a trans girl\\\" or \\\"Hibari is often considered an example of early transgender character\\\" but not \\\"Hibari is trans and identifies as female\\\"

Last thing:

* \\\"Recently, though, Word of God has confirmed (when handled by a trusted translator who’s worked closely with the author) that Hibari is Transgender. Precise identity beyond that (binary or non binary) can be up for some debate, though.\\\"

Again, sounds very pushy of a modern western view on gender and also oddly defensive. It should point out that WordOfGod regarding Hibari\\\'s ender identity has differed throughout the years, and via different translators. It can link to the french interview if you want
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