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This really feels like a \'\'severe\'\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy -with the excuse of \
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This really feels like a \\\'\\\'severe\\\'\\\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy -with the excuse of \\\"bad writing\\\", or downplay his actions to give him some level of moral superiority. Especially when there \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' options aside from fucking off into the sky, namely, \\\'\\\'evacuating Atlas and Mantle and fleeing Solitas\\\'\\\', which, even if still a hail mary, is more feasible than just \\\'\\\'fucking off into space and letting the rest of the world die\\\'\\\'. [[SarcasmMode But no, the only course of actions is]] TheElitesJumpShip [[SarcasmMode and hoping you have enough food, power, ammo, and control to actually survive up there for more than a month.]]
This doesn\\\'t mean the gang are in \\\'\\\'the right\\\'\\\', since their plans \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' poorly thought out, and I believe the narrative is \\\'\\\'intentionally\\\'\\\' doing this so that, when Atlas \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' fall, and it shouldn\\\'t need to be sad that Atlas\\\' fall is an inevitability, they\\\'ll be forced to look back at their decisions and start asking themselves: \\\"What did we do wrong?\\\", effectively being a wakeup call that, while opposing Ironwood\\\'s plans \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' a good thing, their not having a good enough plan isn\\\'t better.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13639868050A17401700&page=2769 This is the thread by the way.
This doesn\\\'t mean the gang are in \\\'\\\'the right\\\'\\\', since their plans \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' poorly thought out, and I believe the narrative is \\\'\\\'intentionally\\\'\\\' doing this so that, when Atlas \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' fall, and it shouldn\\\'t need to be sad that Atlas\\\' fall is an inevitability, they\\\'ll be forced to look back at their decisions and start asking themselves: \\\"What did we do wrong?\\\", effectively being a wakeup call that, while opposing Ironwood\\\'s plans \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' a good thing, their not having a good enough plan isn\\\'t better.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13639868050A17401700&page=2769 This is the thread by the way.
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This really feels like a \'\'severe\'\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy -with the excuse of \
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This really feels like a \\\'\\\'severe\\\'\\\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy -with the excuse of \\\"bad writing\\\", or downplay his actions to give him some level of moral superiority. Especially when there \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' options aside from fucking off into the sky, namely, \\\'\\\'evacuating Atlas and Mantle and fleeing Solitas\\\'\\\', which, even if still a hail mary, is more feasible than just \\\'\\\'fucking off into space and letting the rest of the world die\\\'\\\'. [[SarcasmMode But no, the only course of actions is]] TheElitesJumpShip [[SarcasmMode and hoping you have enough food, power, ammo, and control to actually survive up there for more than a month.]]
This doesn\\\'t mean the gang are in \\\'\\\'the right\\\'\\\', since their plans \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' poorly thought out, and I believe the narrative is \\\'\\\'intentionally\\\'\\\' doing this so that, when Atlas \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' fall, and it shouldn\\\'t need to be sad that Atlas\\\' fall is an inevitability, they\\\'ll be forced to look back at their decisions and start asking themselves: \\\"What did we do wrong?\\\", effectively being a wakeup call that, while opposing Ironwood\\\'s plans \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' a good thing, their not having a good enough plan isn\\\'t better.
This doesn\\\'t mean the gang are in \\\'\\\'the right\\\'\\\', since their plans \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' poorly thought out, and I believe the narrative is \\\'\\\'intentionally\\\'\\\' doing this so that, when Atlas \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' fall, and it shouldn\\\'t need to be sad that Atlas\\\' fall is an inevitability, they\\\'ll be forced to look back at their decisions and start asking themselves: \\\"What did we do wrong?\\\", effectively being a wakeup call that, while opposing Ironwood\\\'s plans \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' a good thing, their not having a good enough plan isn\\\'t better.
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This really feels like a \'\'severe\'\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy with the excuse of \
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This really feels like a \\\'\\\'severe\\\'\\\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy -with the excuse of \\\"bad writing\\\", or downplay his actions to give him some level of moral superiority. Especially when there \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' options aside from fucking off into the sky, namely, \\\'\\\'evacuating Atlas and Mantle and fleeing Solitas\\\'\\\', which, even if still a hail mary, is more feasible than just \\\'\\\'fucking off into space and letting the rest of the world die\\\'\\\'.
This doesn\\\'t mean the gang are in \\\'\\\'the right\\\'\\\', since their plans \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' poorly thought out, and I believe the narrative is \\\'\\\'intentionally\\\'\\\' doing this so that, when Atlas \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' fall, and it shouldn\\\'t need to be sad that Atlas\\\' fall is an inevitability, they\\\'ll be forced to look back at their decisions and start asking themselves: \\\"What did we do wrong?\\\", effectively being a wakeup call that, while opposing Ironwood\\\'s plans \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' a good thing, their not having a good enough plan isn\\\'t better.
This doesn\\\'t mean the gang are in \\\'\\\'the right\\\'\\\', since their plans \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' poorly thought out, and I believe the narrative is \\\'\\\'intentionally\\\'\\\' doing this so that, when Atlas \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' fall, and it shouldn\\\'t need to be sad that Atlas\\\' fall is an inevitability, they\\\'ll be forced to look back at their decisions and start asking themselves: \\\"What did we do wrong?\\\", effectively being a wakeup call that, while opposing Ironwood\\\'s plans \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' a good thing, their not having a good enough plan isn\\\'t better.
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This still seems to ignore that he is flat out planning to \'\'abandon Remnant\'\', not just Mantle, and saying the further actions are OOC when he is established as far back as Volume \'\'3\'\' as being willing to \'\'shoot his own men\'\' if they pulled what Qrow did. It was PlayedForLaughs at the time, but it as such is still consistent with the fact that Ironwood \'\'is\'\' willing to shoot someone just for opposing him, since all Qrow \'\'did\'\' was pick a fight with Winter and break two Atlesian Knights... \'\'that\'s it\'\'. And Glynda points out the only reason it escalated as far as it did is because Winter took Qrow\'s bait and initiated the fight.
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This still seems to ignore that he is flat out planning to \\\'\\\'abandon Remnant\\\'\\\', not just Mantle, and saying the further actions are OOC when he is established as far back as Volume \\\'\\\'3\\\'\\\' as being willing to \\\'\\\'shoot his own men\\\'\\\' if they pulled what Qrow did. It was PlayedForLaughs at the time, but it as such is still consistent with the fact that Ironwood \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' willing to shoot someone just for opposing him, since all Qrow \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' was pick a fight with Winter and break two Atlesian Knights... \\\'\\\'that\\\'s it\\\'\\\'. And Glynda points out the only reason it escalated as far as it did is because Winter took Qrow\\\'s bait and initiated the fight. Yet rather than actually chastise Winter, he does so to the one he has no control over and more accurately pissed him off. So him shooting Oscar and [[spoiler:killing Sleet]] \\\'\\\'do\\\'\\\' fall in line with his characterization.
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This really feels like a \'\'severe\'\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy with the excuse of \
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This really feels like a \\\'\\\'severe\\\'\\\' case of DracoInLeatherPants for Ironwood, since people try to either justify his turn to villainy with the excuse of \\\"bad writing\\\", or downplay his actions to give him some level of moral superiority. This doesn\\\'t mean the gang are in \\\'\\\'the right\\\'\\\', since their plans \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' poorly thought out, and I believe the narrative is \\\'\\\'intentionally\\\'\\\' doing this so that, when Atlas \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' fall, and it shouldn\\\'t need to be sad that Atlas\\\' fall is an inevitability, they\\\'ll be forced to look back at their decisions and start asking themselves: \\\"What did we do wrong?\\\", effectively being a wakeup call that, while opposing Ironwood\\\'s plans \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' a good thing, their not having a good enough plan isn\\\'t better.
