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Edited to add: I\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list; their habit of cherry-picking to support their position would be ConfirmationBias. Their insistence on pushing the Ironwood perspective might fall into OpinionMyopia given that they tend to struggle with the fact that they\'re a VocalMinority rather than the dominant perspective of the fandom.
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Edited to add: I\\\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list; their habit of cherry-picking to support their position would be ConfirmationBias. Their insistence on pushing the Ironwood perspective might fall into OpinionMyopia given that they tend to struggle with the fact that the rest of the fandom doesn\\\'t agree with them (including the part of the fandom that sides with Ironwood but doesn\\\'t RTDE the heroes in the process).
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That\'s certainly some kind of Myopia. I just don\'t know if there\'s an existing myopia trope for it. However, I do think you\'re capturing a VocalMinority example with that entry.
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That\\\'s certainly some kind of Myopia. I just don\\\'t know if there\\\'s an existing myopia trope for it. However, I do think you\\\'re capturing a VocalMinority example with that entry (I do think we\\\'re dealing with an absurdly VocalMinority rather than a more evenly split BrokenBase, but that\\\'s a debate for that time).
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\'s behaviour while simultaneously insisting that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It\'s bad enough that a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play might be worth having, and we\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\'ve recently dealt with.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\\\'s behaviour while simultaneously insisting that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It\\\'s bad enough that a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play might be worth having, and we\\\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\\\'ve recently dealt with.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\'s behaviour while simultaneously insisting that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It;\'s bad enough to have a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play, and we\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\'ve recently dealt with.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\\\'s behaviour while simultaneously insisting that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It\\\'s bad enough that a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play might be worth having, and we\\\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\\\'ve recently dealt with.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\'s behaviour and which insists that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It;\'s bad enough to have a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play, and we\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\'ve recently dealt with.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\\\'s behaviour while simultaneously insisting that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It;\\\'s bad enough to have a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play, and we\\\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\\\'ve recently dealt with.
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Edited to add: I\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list; their habit of cherry-picking to support their position would be ConfirmationBias. Their insistence in pushing the Ironwood perspective might fall into OpinionMyopia given that they tend to struggle with the fact that they\'re a VocalMinority rather than the dominant perspective of the fandom.
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Edited to add: I\\\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list; their habit of cherry-picking to support their position would be ConfirmationBias. Their insistence on pushing the Ironwood perspective might fall into OpinionMyopia given that they tend to struggle with the fact that they\\\'re a VocalMinority rather than the dominant perspective of the fandom.
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Edited to add: I\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list; their habit of cherry-picking to support their position would be ConfirmationBias. Their aggression in pushing the Ironwood perspective may possibly also fall into OpinionMyopia given that they tend to struggle with the fact that they\'re a VocalMinority rather than the dominant perspective of the fandom. But I think the OpinionMyopia option may need a wider discussion just to be certain that\'s a suitable trope.
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Edited to add: I\\\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list; their habit of cherry-picking to support their position would be ConfirmationBias. Their insistence in pushing the Ironwood perspective might fall into OpinionMyopia given that they tend to struggle with the fact that they\\\'re a VocalMinority rather than the dominant perspective of the fandom.
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Edited to add: I\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list and I\'m wondering if OpinionMyopia and/or ConfirmationBias may be at work. Well, I think ConfirmationBias is definitely an option here. I think OpinionBias might also be relevant given that part of the problem with this specific group is that arguments with them over \'the heroes versus Ironwood\' become so aggressive is because they do tend to be absolutely baffled that their opinion isn\'t the dominant interpretation of the fandom.
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Edited to add: I\\\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list; their habit of cherry-picking to support their position would be ConfirmationBias. Their aggression in pushing the Ironwood perspective may possibly also fall into OpinionMyopia given that they tend to struggle with the fact that they\\\'re a VocalMinority rather than the dominant perspective of the fandom. But I think the OpinionMyopia option may need a wider discussion just to be certain that\\\'s a suitable trope.
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Edited to add: I\\\'ve just had a look down the CommonFanFallacies list and I\\\'m wondering if OpinionMyopia and/or ConfirmationBias may be at work. Well, I think ConfirmationBias is definitely an option here. I think OpinionBias might also be relevant given that part of the problem with this specific group is that arguments with them over \\\'the heroes versus Ironwood\\\' become so aggressive is because they do tend to be absolutely baffled that their opinion isn\\\'t the dominant interpretation of the fandom.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\'s behaviour and insist that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It;\'s bad enough to have a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play, and we\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\'ve recently dealt with.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\\\'s behaviour and which insists that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It;\\\'s bad enough to have a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play, and we\\\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\\\'ve recently dealt with.
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To give you an example of what I mean, the audience is introduced to V7 Ironwood the same way as the heroes. The audience perspective and the hero perspective is therefore the same going into the decision to withhold information from Ironwood. There is no greater audience knowledge at this point than the characters have, so it\'s not true to say it\'s easy for the audience to see something in Ironwood that the characters can\'t because we\'re all seeing the same thing. What you\'re dealing with is the different ways fans interpret the scene, and whether they think the decision is a good idea -- or whether we trust Ironwood genuinely is being open and trustworthy -- is entirely subjective (from the audience\'s perspective).
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To give you an example of what I mean, the audience is introduced to V7 Ironwood the same way as the heroes. The audience perspective and the hero perspective is therefore the same going into the decision to withhold information from Ironwood. There is no greater audience knowledge at this point than the characters have, so it\\\'s not true to say it\\\'s easy for the audience to see something in Ironwood that the characters can\\\'t because we\\\'re all seeing the same thing (and we later receive an objective fact that Ironwood was withholding at least one thing with Winter\\\'s later Winter Maiden reveal to Weiss; again that\\\'s the heroes and audience learning something together). That leaves the audience to interpret for themselves how much they want to trust Ironwood and how much they want to support Ruby\\\'s decision (including the subjectivity of how to factor in later things like the Winter Maiden reveal to Weiss). In other words, that\\\'s not FourthWallMyopia.
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We do have one piece of objective information that Ironwood was withholding information in that scene through Winter\'s later reveal to Weiss of the Winter Maiden plan. So we do know Ironwood wasn\'t being entirely genuine and trustworthy in that scene. That then leads in to another subjective discussion of whether Ironwood can be justified or criticised for withholding that information.
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That brings us to what you are capturing, which is definitely a legitimate issue with part of the fandom. There is a small, but incredibly vocal, part of of the fandom that tries to delegitimise any criticism of Ironwood\\\'s behaviour and insist that the heroes are absolutely heinous to have made the anti-Ironwood decisions that they do. It;\\\'s bad enough to have a legitimate discussion on whether RonTheDeathEater is in play, and we\\\'re definitely dealing with the issue of this group cherry-picking audience (and character) knowledge, such as the situation you mention where the heroes are coming into dealing with Ironwood while still reeling from the loss of trust in the two headmasters they\\\'ve recently dealt with.
