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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \
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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \\\"Skywalker Saga\\\" that ends up with every single Skywalker dead and all that they fought for (the Rebellion, the Jedi) having gone down in abject defeat, with \\\'\\\'maybe\\\'\\\' a chance for something similar (a future order of the Knights of Rey) emerging in the future, should qualify.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it says: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it says: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \
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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \\\"Skywalker Saga\\\" that ends up with every single Skywalker dead and all that they fought for (the Rebellion, the Jedi) having gone down in abject defeat, with \\\'\\\'maybe\\\'\\\' a chance for something similar (a future order of the Knights of Rey) emerging in the future, should qualify.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it say: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it say: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \
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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \\\"Skywalker Saga\\\" that ends up with every single Skywalker dead and what they fought for (the Rebellion, the Jedi) having gone down in abject defeat, with \\\'\\\'maybe\\\'\\\' a chance for something similar (a future order of the Knights of Rey) emerging in the future, should qualify.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it say: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it say: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \
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The bit about the future of democracy and things I can agree is speculative. I do think, though, that a conclusion to the so-called \\\"Skywalker Saga\\\" that ends up with every single Skywalker dead and what they fought for (the Rebellion, the Jedi) having gone down in abject defeat, with \\\'\\\'maybe\\\'\\\' a chance for something similar (a future order of the Knights of Rey) emerging in the future should qualify.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it say: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
That Zombie Palpatine and the Empire 2.0/Final Order/whatever were defeated is generally presented as a good thing, and since the movie presents them as mustache-twirling villains whenever it bothers to give them any characterization at all, that makes sense. As far as I understand it, the issue is whether this is \\\'\\\'enough\\\'\\\' to outweigh the bigger tragedy of the Skywalkers to qualify as a straight happy ending, or even a straight BittersweetEnding. \\\'\\\'The Rise of Skywalker\\\'\\\' seems to portray the Jedi ghosts as happy with being replaced with Rey Palpatine, but given a lot of fan comments I have seen in various places, at the very least, not all viewers appear to agree that they \\\'\\\'ought\\\'\\\' to be.
On the page defining the EsotericHappyEnding trope, it say: \\\"Not to be confused with a BittersweetEnding, in which the darker or less pleasant elements are acknowledged, \\\'\\\'\\\'although it\\\'\\\'\\\' [the EsotericHappyEnding] \\\'\\\'\\\'can also frequently be caused when those same darker elements out-weigh the pleasant ones in the minds of some viewers\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (emphasis added). That would seem to be what is the case here.
