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[004] Tuvok

17th Jul '19 at 05:17:22 PM

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[003] Tuvok

17th Jul '19 at 05:16:20 PM

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If your continuing this conversation you need to state what it\'s about # context. To anyone confused this is a discussion regarding Designated Villian. There was already a member thread for that as in the ATT. Proceed there if you wish to continue. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=DesignatedVillain.LiveActionTV#latest

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If your continuing this conversation you need to state what it\\\'s about # context. To anyone confused this is a discussion regarding Designated Villian. There was already a member thread for that as in the ATT. Proceed there if you wish to continue.

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[002] Tuvok

17th Jul '19 at 05:14:04 PM

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\'\'\' A villainous antagonist is a common driving force behind conflict in stories, so it makes natural sense to write one in. But villainy requires performing villainous acts; a villain who doesn\'t really act on those is difficult to root against.

The result is a character who is treated as a bad guy by the principal characters, despite never actually doing anything to justify that amount of hate. They might even be sympathetic by virtue of their social position. Any astute arguments and observations by this character are to be dismissed by the audience, because they are Evil™.\'\'\'

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\\\'\\\'\\\'A villainous antagonist is a common driving force behind conflict in stories, so it makes natural sense to write one in. But villainy requires performing villainous acts; a villain who doesn\\\'t really act on those is difficult to root against. The result is a character who is treated as a bad guy by the principal characters, despite never actually doing anything to justify that amount of hate. They might even be sympathetic by virtue of their social position. Any astute arguments and observations by this character are to be dismissed by the audience, because they are Evil™.\\\'\\\'\\\'

[001] Tuvok

17th Jul '19 at 05:12:58 PM

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However I remind you as per ATT and that thread the consensus was the definition did \'\'\'not\'\'\' match for Grant Ward. I\'m not the one standing in it\'s way. Consensus and the fact his example did not feet the criteria. Also Frameward an NPC didn\'t end up on the right path because Frameward never made choices and Fitz unlike Real Ward was mindwiped. But again your missing the point. Frameward does not make RealWard a Designated Villian. The things Ward chose to do him a Villain. Context defines trope.

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However I remind you as per ATT and that thread the consensus was the definition did \\\'\\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'\\\' match for Grant Ward. I\\\'m not the one standing in it\\\'s way. Consensus and the fact his example did not fit the criteria. Also Frameward an NPC didn\\\'t end up on the right path because Frameward never made choices and Fitz unlike Real Ward was mindwiped. But again your missing the point. Frameward does not make RealWard a Designated Villian. The things Ward chose to do him a Villain. Context defines trope.

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\\\'\\\'\\\' A villainous antagonist is a common driving force behind conflict in stories, so it makes natural sense to write one in. But villainy requires performing villainous acts; a villain who doesn\\\'t really act on those is difficult to root against.

The result is a character who is treated as a bad guy by the principal characters, despite never actually doing anything to justify that amount of hate. They might even be sympathetic by virtue of their social position. Any astute arguments and observations by this character are to be dismissed by the audience, because they are Evil™.\\\'\\\'\\\'
Villainous acts required. Betraying the team, trying to kill the team, kidnapping members of the team, torturing members of the team, trying to use one team members ( Daisy) curiosity about her father to get her to help him escape etc. That is why {{DesignatedVillain}} does not apply to him. Hes not the bad guy by designation and no reason, hes the bad guy for doing awful things. But I recommend you go the the original thread to continue this. Its already there and has been for a couple of years. Consensus both there and ATT have mark him as NOT a {{DesignatedVillain}}, as well as examples shown.

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