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This discussion has been dragged out long enough and stretched out to too many different places. It has gone to the Trope Description Improvement Drive ([=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13164954120A97000100&page=109#comment-2708=]), and a few ATT threads ([=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85734&type=att=], [=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85618&type=att=], and [=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=84819&type=att=], etc.). Really if you want to look for all of them, just search \
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This discussion has been dragged out long enough and stretched out to too many different places. It has gone to the Trope Description Improvement Drive ([=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13164954120A97000100&page=109#comment-2708=]), and a few ATT threads ([=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85734&type=att=], [=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85618&type=att=], and [=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=84819&type=att=], etc.). Really if you want to look for all of them, just search \\\"[=BadWritingIndex=]\\\" in ATT. Generally, the questions are \\\"Should X be removed from BadWritingIndex?\\\" And I would like to actually formulate some criteria for placement on this index. [---As an aside, I love writing, and I even have a degree in writing. I personally know that this sort of thing is observable and you \\\'\\\'can\\\'\\\' find criteria for bad writing.---]
The first point of order, then, is what criteria do we use to determine what goes on BadWritingIndex. That way, we have something to reference when we or other tropers want to argue what to keep or cut.
Some criteria I generally agree on in favor of including a trope to this list, in no particular order:
* The trope must be about writing.
** This could include characterization, plotting, exposition, dialog.
** Thus, tropes specifically regarding design, art, or acting are (or should be) excluded.
* The trope is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' generally (or specifically) used intentionally to be bad.
** The status of \\\"bad\\\" or \\\"mark of bad writing\\\" is accidental, generally.
* Whether or not there is an UnreliableNarrator in play, there is no good reason to play the given trope.
** A \\\"good reason\\\" is something like \\\"produces drama,\\\" \\\"produces humor,\\\" \\\"marks something about the character/situation,\\\" or something similar.
** An UnreliableNarrator can excuse \\\"bad writing\\\" because then the \\\"bad\\\" writing is likely intentional by the author.
The first point of order, then, is what criteria do we use to determine what goes on BadWritingIndex. That way, we have something to reference when we or other tropers want to argue what to keep or cut.
Some criteria I generally agree on in favor of including a trope to this list, in no particular order:
* The trope must be about writing.
** This could include characterization, plotting, exposition, dialog.
** Thus, tropes specifically regarding design, art, or acting are (or should be) excluded.
* The trope is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' generally (or specifically) used intentionally to be bad.
** The status of \\\"bad\\\" or \\\"mark of bad writing\\\" is accidental, generally.
* Whether or not there is an UnreliableNarrator in play, there is no good reason to play the given trope.
** A \\\"good reason\\\" is something like \\\"produces drama,\\\" \\\"produces humor,\\\" \\\"marks something about the character/situation,\\\" or something similar.
** An UnreliableNarrator can excuse \\\"bad writing\\\" because then the \\\"bad\\\" writing is likely intentional by the author.
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This discussion has been dragged out long enough and stretched out to too many different places. It has gone to the Trope Description Improvement Drive ([[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13164954120A97000100&page=109#comment-2708 here]]), and a few ATT threads ([[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85734&type=att here,]] [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85618&type=att here,]] and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=84819&type=att here,]] etc.). Really if you want to look for all of them, just search \
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This discussion has been dragged out long enough and stretched out to too many different places. It has gone to the Trope Description Improvement Drive ([=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13164954120A97000100&page=109#comment-2708=]), and a few ATT threads ([=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85734&type=att=], [=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=85618&type=att=], and [=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=84819&type=att=], etc.). Really if you want to look for all of them, just search \\\"[=BadWritingIndex=]\\\" in ATT. Generally, the questions are \\\"Should X be removed from BadWritingIndex?\\\" And I would like to actually formulate some criteria for placement on this index. [---As an aside, I love writing, and I even have a degree in writing. I personally know that this sort of thing is observable and you \\\'\\\'can\\\'\\\' find criteria for bad writing.---]
The first point of order, then, is what criteria do we use to determine what goes on BadWritingIndex. That way, we have something to reference when we or other tropers want to argue what to keep or cut.
Some criteria I generally agree on in favor of including a trope to this list, in no particular order:
* The trope must be about writing.
** This could include characterization, plotting, exposition, dialog.
** Thus, tropes specifically regarding design, art, or acting are (or should be) excluded.
* The trope is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' generally (or specifically) used intentionally to be bad.
** The status of \\\"bad\\\" or \\\"mark of bad writing\\\" is accidental, generally.
* Whether or not there is an UnreliableNarrator in play, there is no good reason to play the given trope.
** A \\\"good reason\\\" is something like \\\"produces drama,\\\" \\\"produces humor,\\\" \\\"marks something about the character/situation,\\\" or something similar.
** An UnreliableNarrator can excuse \\\"bad writing\\\" because then the \\\"bad\\\" writing is likely intentional by the author.
The first point of order, then, is what criteria do we use to determine what goes on BadWritingIndex. That way, we have something to reference when we or other tropers want to argue what to keep or cut.
Some criteria I generally agree on in favor of including a trope to this list, in no particular order:
* The trope must be about writing.
** This could include characterization, plotting, exposition, dialog.
** Thus, tropes specifically regarding design, art, or acting are (or should be) excluded.
* The trope is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' generally (or specifically) used intentionally to be bad.
** The status of \\\"bad\\\" or \\\"mark of bad writing\\\" is accidental, generally.
* Whether or not there is an UnreliableNarrator in play, there is no good reason to play the given trope.
** A \\\"good reason\\\" is something like \\\"produces drama,\\\" \\\"produces humor,\\\" \\\"marks something about the character/situation,\\\" or something similar.
** An UnreliableNarrator can excuse \\\"bad writing\\\" because then the \\\"bad\\\" writing is likely intentional by the author.
