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* Leonidas scorns Athenians as \\\"boy-lovers,\\\" but pederasty was also practiced in Sparta.
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
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* Leonidas scorns Athenians as \\\"boy-lovers,\\\" but pederasty was also practiced in Sparta.
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
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* Leonidas scorns Athenians as \
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* Leonidas scorns Athenians as \\\"boy-lovers,\\\" but pederasty was also practiced in Sparta.
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty. [[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DConst.%20Lac.%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D14 Here is where he says it specifically]]:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty. [[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DConst.%20Lac.%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D14 Here is where he says it specifically]]:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
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* Leonidas scorns Athenians as \
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* Leonidas scorns Athenians as \\\"boy-lovers,\\\" but pederasty was also practiced in Sparta.
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty. [[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DConst.%20Lac.%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D14 Here is where he says it specifically]]:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
The reason I am disputing it is that Xenophon, a man who was actually alive during the time of the Spartans and who lived among them for a time, states that the Spartans did not practice pederasty. [[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DConst.%20Lac.%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D14 Here is where he says it specifically]]:
\\\"The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy\\\'s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy\\\'s outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.\\\"
I\\\'m more inclined to believe Xenophon than someone who lived long after the Spartans died, especially if later authors are working off of generalizations (i.e. other Greek States did it so Sparta must as well). In fact, Xenophon addresses that too:
\\\"I am not surprised, however, that people refuse to believe this. For in many states the laws are not opposed to the indulgence of these appetites.\\\"
