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If this is true, the {{Prototype}} example should be removed, and possibly the StarWarsTheForceUnleashed example, too, unless there\\\'s some style meter or rating system for how you kill stormtroopers.

Lots of non-examples here.

This trope is about games that rate your playstyle on-screen and possibly provide some reward, right?

If this is true, the {Prototype} example should be removed, and possibly the StarWarsForceUnleashed example, too, unless there\\\'s some style meter or rating system for how you kill stormtroopers.

ThisTroper is a legitimate and uncontroversial phrase for certain uses of the first person. It is avoideing \\\'\\\'first person\\\'\\\' in non-idiomatic phrases (i.e. explicit reference to ones\\\' self) that is the issue. It\\\'s a matter of descriptive grammar vs. prescriptive grammar, in a context where the limitations of first person on a wiki are well understood If \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' Tropers including Fast Eddie feel it is explicitly bad writing \\\'\\\'in all circumstances\\\'\\\', that doesn\\\'t make a consensus on such a drastic action. It is like saying the \\\'\\\'singular they\\\'\\\' is \\\"explicitly spelled out as bad writing\\\" in a grammar textbook when in fact there is no consensus on the subject, but there is consensus that it should not be used in certain circumstances. Big difference.

I find this attitude of \\\"I delete anything that is bad writing\\\" frustrating. I have not been here for \\\'\\\'years and years\\\'\\\', but I\\\'ve cleaned up enormous pages a few times and had to rearrange everything and remove ungrammaticisms, and I\\\'ve taken care not to eliminate worthwhile content. It comes with the territory of editing... In the case of ThisTroper, it is a trademark phrase associated with the site. Its meaning is clear and its improper use is what should be restricted, not try to eliminate its meaning. I was especially amused to read that the reasons for locking this page and IAmNotMakingThisUp (where there was an actual consensus due to rampant phrase abuse) was that \\\"it was fast becoming a trademark expression associated with this site.\\\" As if that were a bad thing...

ThisTroper is a legitimate and uncontroversial phrase for certain uses of the first person. It is avoideing \\\'\\\'first person\\\'\\\' in non-idiomatic phrases (i.e. explicit reference to ones\\\' self) that is the issue. It\\\'s a matter of descriptive grammar vs. prescriptive grammar, in a context where the limitations of first person on a wiki are well understood If \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' Tropers including Fast Eddie feel it is explicitly bad writing \\\'\\\'in all circumstances\\\'\\\', that doesn\\\'t make a consensus on such a drastic action. It is like saying the \\\'\\\'singular they\\\'\\\' is \\\"explicitly spelled out as bad writing\\\" in a grammar textbook when in fact there is no consensus on the subject, but there is consensus that it should not be used in certain circumstances. Big difference.

I find this attitude of \\\"I delete anything that is bad writing\\\" frustrating. I have not been here for \\\'\\\'years and years\\\'\\\', but I\\\'ve cleaned up enormous pages a few times and had to rearrange everything and remove ungrammaticisms, and I\\\'ve taken care not to eliminate worthwhile content. It comes with the territory of editing... In the case of ThisTroper, it is a trademark phrase associated with the site. Its meaning is clear and its improper use is what should be restricted, not try to eliminate its meaning. I was especially amused to read that the reasons for locking this page and IAmNotMakingThisUp (where there was an actual consensus due to rampant phrase abuse) was that \\\"it was fast becoming a trademark expression associated with this site.\\\" As if that were a bad thing...

The description on another page insists there is a consensus that it \\\'\\\'never be used\\\'\\\' when there is no such consensus, as established by the fact that ThisTroper is an \\\'\\\'idiomatic expression unique to, and ubiquitous on, this site\\\'\\\'. Obviously its use on the Main Page of articles should be restricted to idiomatic expression, since Troper Tales are generally avoided on the Main Page. But the notion that Tropers should self-identify everything they post would imply that first-person pronouns have no justification in Real Life, sort of like the \\\"adjectives are bad writing\\\" prescription of many (derided) grammatical textbooks.

ThisTroper is a legitimate and uncontroversial phrase for certain uses of the first person. It is avoideing \\\'\\\'first person\\\'\\\' in non-idiomatic phrases (i.e. explicit reference to ones\\\' self) that is the issue. It\\\'s a matter of descriptive grammar vs. prescriptive grammar, in a context where the limitations of first person on a wiki are well understood If \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' Tropers including Fast Eddie feel it is explicitly bad writing \\\'\\\'in all circumstances\\\'\\\', that doesn\\\'t make a consensus on such a drastic action. It is like saying the \\\'\\\'singular they\\\'\\\' is \\\"explicitly spelled out as bad writing\\\" in a grammar textbook when in fact there is no consensus on the subject, but there is consensus that it should not be used in certain circumstances. Big difference.

I find this attitude of \\\"I delete anything that is bad writing\\\" frustrating. I have not been here for \\\'\\\'years and years\\\'\\\', but I\\\'ve cleaned up enormous pages a few times and had to rearrange everything and remove ungrammaticisms, and I\\\'ve taken care not to eliminate worthwhile content. It comes with the territory of editing... In the case of ThisTroper, it is a trademark phrase associated with the site. Its meaning is clear and its improper use is what should be restricted, not try to eliminate its meaning. I was especially amused to read that the reasons for locking this page and IAmNotMakingThisUp (where there was an actual consensus due to rampant phrase abuse) was that \\\"it was fast becoming a trademark expression associated with this site.\\\" As if that were a bad thing...

Bottom line is, the LockedPages description insists that there is a consensus that ThisTroper is bad writing when there is no such consensus, as established by the fact that ThisTroper is an \\\'\\\'idiomatic expression unique to, and ubiquitous on, this site\\\'\\\'. Obviously its use on the Main Page of articles should be restricted to idiomatic expression, since Troper Tales are generally avoided on the Main Page. But the notion that Tropers should self-identify everything they post would imply that first-person pronouns have no justification in Real Life, sort of like the \\\"adjectives are bad writing\\\" prescription of many (derided) grammatical textbooks.

ThisTroper is a legitimate and uncontroversial phrase for certain uses of the first person. It is avoideing \\\'\\\'first person\\\'\\\' in non-idiomatic phrases (i.e. explicit reference to ones\\\' self) that is the issue. It\\\'s a matter of descriptive grammar vs. prescriptive grammar, in a context where the limitations of first person on a wiki are well understood If \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' Tropers including Fast Eddie feel it is explicitly bad writing \\\'\\\'in all circumstances\\\'\\\', that doesn\\\'t make a consensus. It is like saying the \\\'\\\'singular they\\\'\\\' is \\\"explicitly spelled out as bad writing\\\" in a grammar textbook when in fact there is no consensus on the subject, but there is consensus that it should not be used in certain circumstances. Big difference.

I find this attitude of \\\"I delete anything that is bad writing\\\" frustrating. I have not been here for \\\'\\\'years and years\\\'\\\', but I\\\'ve cleaned up enormous pages a few times and had to rearrange everything and remove ungrammaticisms, and I\\\'ve taken care not to eliminate worthwhile content. It comes with the territory of editing... In the case of ThisTroper, it is a trademark phrase associated with the site. Its meaning is clear and its improper use is what should be restricted, not try to eliminate its meaning. I was especially amused to read that the reasons for locking this page and IAmNotMakingThisUp (where there was an actual consensus due to rampant phrase abuse) was that \\\"it was fast becoming a trademark expression associated with this site.\\\" As if that were a bad thing...

Bottom line is, the LockedPages description insists that there is a consensus that ThisTroper is bad writing when there is no such consensus, as established by the fact that ThisTroper is an \\\'\\\'idiomatic expression unique to, and ubiquitous on, this site\\\'\\\'. Obviously its use on the Main Page of articles should be restricted to idiomatic expression, since Troper Tales are generally avoided on the Main Page. But the notion that Tropers should self-identify everything they post would imply that first-person pronouns have no justification in Real Life, sort of like the \\\"adjectives are bad writing\\\" prescription of many (derided) grammatical textbooks.

ThisTroper is a legitimate and uncontroversial phrase for certain uses of the first person. It\\\'s a matter of descriptive grammar vs. prescriptive grammar, in a context where the limitations of first person on a wiki are well understood If \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' Tropers including Fast Eddie feel it is explicitly bad writing \\\'\\\'in all circumstances\\\'\\\', that doesn\\\'t make a consensus. It is like saying the \\\'\\\'singular they\\\'\\\' is \\\"explicitly spelled out as bad writing\\\" in a grammar textbook when in fact there is no consensus on the subject, but there is consensus that it should not be used in certain circumstances. Big difference.

I find this attitude of \\\"I delete anything that is bad writing\\\" frustrating. I have not been here for \\\'\\\'years and years\\\'\\\', but I\\\'ve cleaned up enormous pages a few times and had to rearrange everything and remove ungrammaticisms, and I\\\'ve taken care not to eliminate worthwhile content. It comes with the territory of editing... In the case of ThisTroper, it is a trademark phrase associated with the site. Its meaning is clear and its improper use is what should be restricted, not try to eliminate its meaning. I was especially amused to read that the reasons for locking this page and IAmNotMakingThisUp (where there was an actual consensus due to rampant phrase abuse) was that \\\"it was fast becoming a trademark expression associated with this site.\\\" As if that were a bad thing...

Bottom line is, the LockedPages description insists that there is a consensus that ThisTroper is bad writing when there is no such consensus, as established by the fact that ThisTroper is an \\\'\\\'idiomatic expression unique to, and ubiquitous on, this site\\\'\\\'. Obviously its use on the Main Page of articles should be restricted to idiomatic expression, since Troper Tales are generally avoided on the Main Page. But the notion that Tropers should self-identify everything they post would imply that first-person pronouns have no justification in Real Life, sort of like the \\\"adjectives are bad writing\\\" prescription of many (derided) grammatical textbooks.