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[[quoteblock]]While we\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \
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[[quoteblock]]While we\\\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\\\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \\\"but better\\\").[[/quoteblock]]
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d be singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
These posts are how I\\\'ve been interpreting the show and the character (and other characters). I do find it genuinely interesting that something I view as completely normal behaviour, not just for an individual but also quite normal (as in contextually explainable) within the boundaries of the show we\\\'re watching, is interpreted by others as being not normal behaviour, and the reasons given for why that interpretation exists.
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d be singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
These posts are how I\\\'ve been interpreting the show and the character (and other characters). I do find it genuinely interesting that something I view as completely normal behaviour, not just for an individual but also quite normal (as in contextually explainable) within the boundaries of the show we\\\'re watching, is interpreted by others as being not normal behaviour, and the reasons given for why that interpretation exists.
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[[quoteblock]]While we\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \
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[[quoteblock]]While we\\\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\\\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \\\"but better\\\").[[/quoteblock]]
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d be singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
These posts are how I\\\'ve been interpreting the show and the character (and other characters). I do find it interesting that something I view as completely normal behaviour, not just for an individual but also quite normal (as in contextually explainable) within the boundaries of the show we\\\'re watching, is interpreted by others as being not normal behaviour.
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d be singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
These posts are how I\\\'ve been interpreting the show and the character (and other characters). I do find it interesting that something I view as completely normal behaviour, not just for an individual but also quite normal (as in contextually explainable) within the boundaries of the show we\\\'re watching, is interpreted by others as being not normal behaviour.
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[[quoteblock]]While we\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \
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[[quoteblock]]While we\\\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\\\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \\\"but better\\\").[[/quoteblock]]
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d be singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d be singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
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[[quoteblock]]While we\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \
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[[quoteblock]]While we\\\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\\\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \\\"but better\\\").[[/quoteblock]]
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d been singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school - or even being said to socially adventurous children just in case they end up feeling a bit nervous or shy later on. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d been singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
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[[quoteblock]]While we\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \
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[[quoteblock]]While we\\\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\\\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \\\"but better\\\").[[/quoteblock]]
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d been singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t seem like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d been singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
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[[quoteblock]]While we\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \
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[[quoteblock]]While we\\\'ve never been given a solid explanation for why Ruby is the way she is, several characters (namely Yang and Ozpin) have remarked on her social difficulties (one coming to mind is Yang asking her why she doesn\\\'t try making her own friends after Ruby mentions how seeing new weapons is like meeting new people \\\"but better\\\").[[/quoteblock]]
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d been singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
But it hasn\\\'t been singled out as anything akin to a disorder. What I mean by that is that the show keeps contextualising it in terms of her being childish or immature or needing to grow up. Even Ozpin\\\'s speech to her about the responsibilities of leadership is just a very kind and gentle speech about needing to grow up and mature.
Yang has only mentioned her needing to make friends right at the beginning when she was new to school, and it doesn\\\'t like anything unusual to me that I haven\\\'t heard from all sorts of parents or teachers to shy children entering a brand new environment or shy teenagers entering a new school. Back when I was Ruby\\\'s age, that sort of \\\"you need to come out of shell\\\" type conversation or message got used on me - and plenty other kids in my year group.
I even heard when I was in university, directed towards eighteen and nineteen year olds. I continue to hear that sort of thing in adulthood, too. Take workplace celebrations or parties, there have plenty of times when colleagues give a team mate a nudge and tell them they need to break out of their shell and mingle more or socialise more.
All these people are considered \\\"ordinary\\\".
More to the point, this idea about making new friends in the early episodes comes across almost like moralising in children\\\'s stories - the \\\"don\\\'t be afraid to make new friends\\\" aesop. Yang trying to break Ruby out of her shell only happens a small handful of times, and is often accompanied by nearby scenes where someone else is saying the same thing but in a different way. For example, Jaune comments that his parents told him to view strangers as friends he hasn\\\'t met yet.
It\\\'s exactly the same thing Yang\\\'s doing, just in a different way, and it\\\'s very normal advice that parents give to children or teenagers who may initially be nervous about making new friends or entering new situations.
It has not been a recurring theme with Ruby throughout the show. It only happened at the start when she was entering a new situation and had to make new friends. And, as she pointed out to Yang, part of her problem was that she was very nervous about her ability to blend in, she was afraid she\\\'d been singled out for having been advanced two years.
[[quoteblock]]As seen by Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\' sarcasm, in addition to various other things such as her RTAA themed imagination and pretty much whenever she really starts to geek out about weapons. Comedic effect does not remove the example from the table.[[/quoteblock]]
And just because there is evidence of geekiness being played for laughs, it doesn\\\'t mean that someone has some kind of disorder. I don\\\'t see any attempt to display her as anything other than a writer\\\'s cliche of how geek characters behave in stories. Even then, she\\\'s not a strong example of nerdiness. There are one or two incidents that are played for cuteness as well as comedy, but most of the time the subject never even crops up - so it\\\'s again, mostly early introduction stuff.
We may just have to disagree on the subject of Ruby\\\'s responses to Weiss\\\'s sarcasm because, depending on incident, I\\\'ve interpreted it as her being funny in her own right, taking the high road over Weiss\\\'s tone, some early episode childish mockery or snit at Weiss\\\'s attitude, and only very occasionally genuinely not sensing Weiss\\\'s real attitude.
That all seems to be a normal, acceptable range to me, including sometimes not getting someone else\\\'s mood - which even the biggest social barfly can miss or get wrong. No-one is perfect, no-one reads a person\\\'s mood right all the time, and I don\\\'t see Ruby as missing social behaviours and cues on a regular basis. She\\\'s done it once or twice - and plenty of other characters in this show have done it once or twice as well, so it all comes across to me as the writers just portraying kids who are growing up.
[[quoteblock]]To help the parallels with Pinocchio Syndrome \\\"I just want to be a normal girl, with normal knees\\\".[[/quoteblock]]
She feels like she\\\'s being singled out because she\\\'s just been jumped up the school system by two years. I consider her fears completely normal given the situation. Not only have I seen plenty people have fears like that (including me) when it\\\'s happened to them, but it\\\'s also only an initial fear she faces. Once she\\\'s in the school and being treated normally, she\\\'s thrilled (hence her \\\"normal knees!\\\" relief in the students first fight with Grimm.
[[quoteblock]]What matters is what\\\'s seen.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree, but as far as I can see, I\\\'m watching a pretty normal show for teenager \\\'coming of age\\\' stories, with pretty common cliches thrown in and very human behaviour that I can relate to, having had many of the same experiences as some of these characters when I was their ages (all the fantasy enemies and threat of war aside, that is :) ).
