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Tacitus This. Cannot. Continue from The Great American Dumpster Fire Since: Jan, 2001
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#142776: Aug 12th 2019 at 11:14:14 AM

Also she's a flying horse from a legend about Prince Shotoku. So she's Miko's mount, I guess.

Ohhhh my.

At a glance: Bowsette Jr., is that a gun?, colorful lady playing with too many sparklers, and Aya's American cousin (original character, do not steal).

So the plot is just animal gangs in animal hell turf wars so hard it bleeds into Gensokyo and the MCs gotta be the police?

I was gonna say one of Gensokyo's own gangs - the Moriyas, Buddhists, Taoists, whichever - really ought to be doing their part to defend their territory. Then I realized the Incident Resolvers are basically their own little outfit, so this really could be one huge gang war.

the Beast World (which is an entirely different world, not part of Hell)

Sweet, more cosmology!

So, is this Beast World located somewhere in Gensokyo as we know it, like another corner of the Underworld that connects to Hell? Is it a separate Otherworld with its own Hell that Hecatia runs, which happens to be connected to Gensokyo's Hell somehow? Or is it the Animal Realm mentioned in this article on Buddhist conceptions of reincarnation?

the Oni Supremes

Wait, is that legal? Naming your gang of supernatural beings after another supernatural being that isn't actually in your gang? Does the Beast World have oni of its own?

So ZUN is hinting about troubles in hell, but then ignores it?

Hell's been a hot mess since, what, Subterranean Animism? Underfunded, previously so overcrowded the whole operation had to relocate, slacking workers, decaying infrastructure...

Stage 4 boss is actually a dragon.

Awaiting the inevitable showdown with Meiling.

So if you were to cook up Yachie, are you going to make dragon steak or turtle soup?

Deep-fried fillets. That's usually the proper answer regardless of the meat, granted.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#142777: Aug 12th 2019 at 11:38:58 AM

Just to add, when people refer to Yachie they sometimes just go "oh, you mean that dragon?" She is 120% a dragon, everyone thinks of her as a dragon.

Anyway, I'm honestly not sure if the Beast World is supposed to represent the Buddhist Animal Realm or not, but in terms of Touhou cosmology it's described as somewhere extremely far from Gensokyo and the Human World generally. You can't even reach it without going through Hell, which itself is "despair-inducingly vast." Eiki specifically says that what happens in the Beast World has absolutely no chance of affecting living humans in any way, outside of extraordinary circumstances.

I think it's safe to say that this is the furthest from home Reimu's ever been.

Edited by Clarste on Aug 12th 2019 at 11:40:21 AM

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#142779: Aug 12th 2019 at 11:51:33 AM

Is the game not yet fully translated?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 12th 2019 at 2:55:59 PM

matteste Since: Jul, 2010
#142780: Aug 12th 2019 at 11:55:36 AM

Looking at Pixiv, quite a few artists seem to portray Saki as a centaur. Can't say I blame them. Had the same idea and I think ZUN missed an opportunity for one.

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MetaflarePrime Yubi yubi! from Bed Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#142782: Aug 12th 2019 at 12:23:32 PM

would not even be remotely surprised

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#142783: Aug 12th 2019 at 12:29:41 PM

Further than the moon?

Depends on how fast you can travel through Dream World.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#142784: Aug 12th 2019 at 3:15:03 PM

The moon's just a hop, skip, and a nap away.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142785: Aug 12th 2019 at 3:45:46 PM

Anyway, I'm honestly not sure if the Beast World is supposed to represent the Buddhist Animal Realm or not
FWIW the stage subtitle namedrops the Animal Realm (Tiryagyoni Metropolis ~ Beastly Dystopia)

Also

Animal realm: is state of existence of a being as an animal (tiryag). This realm is traditionally thought to be similar to a hellish realm, because animals are believed in Buddhist texts to be driven by impulse and instinct, they prey on each other and suffer.
sounds pretty close

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142786: Aug 12th 2019 at 3:54:16 PM

Is Keiki based on a specific myth? What even is her species, just 'god' generically?

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#142787: Aug 12th 2019 at 4:04:19 PM

I've heard she's based on an obscure god from the Kojiki who shares her surname. A god who creates things from clay.

Her species is just "god".

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142788: Aug 12th 2019 at 4:13:41 PM

cool

fyi from hereon out i shall be referring to her as 'cake'

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#142791: Aug 12th 2019 at 6:41:47 PM

Apparently I missed that the leader of the Gouyaku Alliance (the Eagle's gang) is actually named in the dialog with Saki. Her name is Toutetsu, which is the name of an evil creature from Chinese myth (taotie).

So, uh, have fun with that, kids.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142792: Aug 12th 2019 at 6:53:59 PM

The taotie is a sheep demon with a human face, which bascly eats everything it comes across and is a symbolic representation of gluttony or smth

donno what one is doing being the boss of a bird gang

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#142793: Aug 12th 2019 at 7:04:54 PM

A flying horse is the boss of the wolf gang, there's some wiggle room.

TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
#142794: Aug 12th 2019 at 7:17:57 PM

It's somewhat funny that Yachie's profile basically tells the entire plot, but when it comes to Yachie herself it's only "she's friendly but actually looks foen on you."

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#142795: Aug 13th 2019 at 5:28:52 AM

Yachie shows up in a few of the endings. One of them has her arguing with Keiki and it's pretty interesting.

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BeholdTheTheremin Since: Oct, 2010
#142797: Aug 13th 2019 at 8:58:21 PM

So I guess if we were to continue the meme of "Reimu continues to make problems each game", Touhou 17's would be something like "Reimu propagates gang violence" or something?

TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
#142798: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:58:50 PM

Reimu suppresses a slave rebellion.

Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#142799: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:46:03 PM

With the warring dystopias, it's like she defeated one set of masters and left them at the mercy of another, isn't it?

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#142800: Aug 14th 2019 at 3:23:23 AM

Gonna go with 'Reimu suppresses a slave rebellion' too.

The beasts called her in because the uppity human spirits were getting ideas above their station and summoning protector gods

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