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Gilphon Untrustworthy from The Third Sound Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Untrustworthy
#1776: Oct 26th 2018 at 2:02:08 PM

I don't know- that smug little 'I like two-faced women' implies that he's fully aware of what Theta tried to do.

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#1777: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:52:12 PM

It looks to be one of those things where the author is being deliberately ambiguous to fuck with us, so could go either way.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1778: Nov 2nd 2018 at 12:55:03 AM

Chapter 387 out:

Okay, precognition and Time Stands Still while in Zetsu, a state where you're supposed to be powerless? That is some OP DIO bullshit right there.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#1779: Nov 2nd 2018 at 12:55:04 AM

chapter out. does Tserriednich have King Crimson powers? I'm asking because I'm still not sure how King Crimson works exactly

Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#1780: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:43:49 AM

It's more complicated and closer to Epitaph than to King Crimson proper, but yeah, the inspiration is clear.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#1781: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:01:10 PM

I wonder if this ability is from that Beelzebub nen beast he unconsciously manifested.

Dabbler Since: Sep, 2018
#1782: Nov 6th 2018 at 2:12:39 AM

HXH powers is getting complicated every chapter

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1783: Nov 6th 2018 at 3:18:23 PM

So a lot of people have been making Jojo's reference with the 4th prince's power. How did whatever Stand work, exactly?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#1784: Nov 6th 2018 at 3:25:08 PM

The Stand’s power is similar to the Prince’s power.

The difference is that King Crimson erases 10 seconds into the future causing mass confusion & uses a second Stand ability called Epitath to look into those 10 seconds so the wielder himself won’t be confused.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 6th 2018 at 3:33:50 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#1785: Nov 6th 2018 at 3:30:10 PM

Spoilers for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Golden Wind: The main bad guy had a stand that would let him both see 10 seconds into the future, and also "skip" past 10 seconds of time, during which only he could perceive the time that had been erased, which he used to avoid attacks and reposition himself.

[up]You should probably spoiler that.

Edited by Moth13 on Nov 6th 2018 at 6:30:22 AM

Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#1786: Nov 7th 2018 at 4:24:25 AM

If we're going to get technical, there's no set amount of time the boss can erase. He just always caps at 10 seconds because that's the limit of his foresight ability, so otherwise he wouldn't know what is he skipping into.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1787: Nov 8th 2018 at 5:09:40 PM

So, think it really is just going to come down to one of the princes?

Zistal Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#1788: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:47:38 PM

[up] Depends on whether or not the nen ritual can be broken. As long as it's in effect, it has to come down to one prince because a lasting escape is an automatic death sentence. Well, spending the rest of their lives on the ship could also be an option...

Ideally, destroying the urn that everyone gave their blood to would break the ritual and dispel all of the nen beasts and those phantom hands. However, there's a high chance the thing is covered in divine script, or is otherwise extremely reinforced with nen. This could make smashing it practically impossible.

In that case, there's another possible to way to break the ritual: Sink the Black Whale. The succession war is a mock Gu ritual. Gu is a type of sorcery where various poisonous creatures are sealed inside an urn and forced to battle until one remains. Smash the urn, and the creatures are freed. Sink the ship, and the princes are freed.

The more I think about it, the more likely it is that the ship itself is the key.

  • Fugetsu could safely go to the lower levels, indicating the entire ship is indeed part of the ritual.
  • Just like the urn, it has a face on its front and "hole"(of sorts) on its top.
  • Similar to the urn, it has a rounded body.
  • Its departure horn was what roused the nen beasts.

Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#1789: Nov 16th 2018 at 11:04:32 AM

New chapter.

A lot of wrong guesses were made about Halkenburg's ability and we find out Camilla is somewhat like Ren Kouha from Magi.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#1790: Nov 16th 2018 at 11:06:37 AM

I feel like these chapters are what an Editor's supposed to do.

Cause this is just overwhelming.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1791: Nov 16th 2018 at 11:11:20 AM

Yeah, it's getting to the points where I'm just skipping pages because I feel it can be reasonably assumed the dialogue won't actually be worth remembering.

Gilphon Untrustworthy from The Third Sound Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Untrustworthy
#1792: Nov 16th 2018 at 11:31:24 AM

Christ, yeah. Pages and pages filled with minor characters incorrectly speculating about something that audience already knows.

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1793: Nov 16th 2018 at 11:38:06 AM

Though, if you want the perspective of someone enjoying this, here's a Mangastream comment:

I kinda get the complains, but I'm absolutely loving this. When this arc started, I expected that we focus on two or three princes where it's obvious that one of them will win while the others are just fodder. But every person involved in this is acting in a way that makes them seem like real human beings. The fact that we focus so much on the thoughts of so many characters results in huge text walls and I see why people might not like this, but there will be pay off. Togashi is gathering the pieces and even though this is a 1000 pieces puzzle, the end result will be worth it. Also, I absolutely love the tactical war fare. The moment Halkenburg was confined, I realized how much I'm enjoying this. They don't power up or try to force their way through, they know that Benjamin has the most influence out of all the princes and try to use this to completely avoid the danger that Halkenburg poses. I don't need muscle heads hitting each other as hard as they can, I want this. And the fact that we'll most likely go on Hiatus after next week is breaking my heart right now.

I don't agree with literally anything this person said, but there it is. And, hey, it's better than saying that anyone who has issues with it just lacks reading comprehension skills, as some people have taken up doing.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 16th 2018 at 2:56:18 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#1794: Nov 16th 2018 at 11:40:40 AM

Like I’m not saying this concept is wrong but it’s just he’s not doing it exactly well.

I know there is a better way of handling all this but I don’t know how.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 16th 2018 at 11:41:41 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1795: Nov 16th 2018 at 12:44:14 PM

Ah the tragedy of minor characters trying to figure something out we know but they dont.

I kinda like it but the WORDS WORDS WORDS is annoying.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#1796: Nov 16th 2018 at 12:53:05 PM

[up][up][up]I agree with the sentiment but not with the words. I’m definitely enjoying this more than I’m expecting to enjoy the Dark Continent, but the focus on the princes isn’t as well distributed as I wished it were and I definitely could do with a little less POV from the guards.

Edited by Comun on Nov 16th 2018 at 4:53:39 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1797: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:49:14 PM

I feel like I'd be enjoying this more if I thought this whole succession war was more than just a time-waster, before actually getting to the Dark Continent, because that's what it feels like to me now.

The amount of text is itself an issue but even more than that, it just comes off like Togashi isn't actually trying to make it interesting. And some people are giving him credit for that, saying it's more "realistic" but I'm not reading a manga like this for realism, I'm reading it to be entertained. Political minutiae can be interesting, but that comes down to presentation; just making something really wordy and convoluted doesn't make it smart or "realistic".

Edited by LSBK on Nov 16th 2018 at 4:55:05 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1798: Nov 16th 2018 at 2:52:36 PM

He watched too much game of thrones but since this is shonen it can't have all the nudity.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#1799: Nov 16th 2018 at 2:58:26 PM

It doesn’t help that the arts taken a backseat to all this thinking.

Like Death Note had a lot of talking & thinking but it was able to at least make it look cool.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gilphon Untrustworthy from The Third Sound Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Untrustworthy
#1800: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:41:23 PM

That is unfair on two different levels:

1) It's not the current content that's doing this; Togashi has been treating the magazine versions as rough drafts, art-wise, and cleaning it up for the Volumes for, like, a full decade now. If anything, the lack of complicated action sequences mean that the art is better than it normally is; it's downright beautiful compared to some of the inscrutable sketches we got during the Chimera Ant arc.

2) You're comparing an anime to a manga- Death Note kept the lengthy thinking scenes exciting with music and funky lighting and dramatic voice acting, none of which are present are.

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."

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