This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
I would like to know why I was suspended from editing and if there is a way to appeal/fix this. Thank you
Edited by Xenoslayer2137 on Mar 6th 2021 at 10:58:24 AM
So, my categoric replies to Kevjro7 in the "Jerks Are Worse Than Cleanup Threads" are considered aggressive to him, on top of him digging up my past posts which were already addressed in my second suspension a year and half ago.
I think you pulled the trigger early this time, because my last reply in the ATT was not in the least belligerent.
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Lost in Space
I'm about to start replying to cases in this thread. I apologize on behalf of all the moderators for the recent slowness in responding. To make it easier I'm going newest-to-oldest.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 6th 2021 at 6:16:06 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Ano Baka Desu: It kind of is, though? You seem to be on a bit of a hair trigger here and assuming personal offense when there is clearly a fandom disagreement going on. Other people were trying to work out the issue and your only argument is "I disagree". That's not helpful.
Considering your two prior suspensions for rudeness and being told last time that it was your final chance, I'm finding it really hard to take your side despite the actual offense being relatively mild compared to others we've dealt with. There's just no reason to be this prickly. So what if you think someone's baiting you? Don't take the bait.
~Xenoslayer 2137: You engaged in an Edit War on Recap.Wanda Vision Episode 8 Previously On. It was hard to find because you edited the article 36 times in one day. While we don't ban serial tweaking, you should at least make an effort to rein it in, especially on a popular article that others are going to want to edit.
There's no race to get your edits in. Be respectful of other users' contributions and mindful if something you add gets contested.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
How can I get my editing suspension revoked?
You're right, my bad. Sometimes I get caught up in the frenzy of a new episode and I forget that other people might not share the same opinions regarding a trope as I do. I'll rein it in. How long will the suspension be?
Edited by Xenoslayer2137 on Mar 6th 2021 at 3:32:49 AM
Lost in Space
~Crimson Zephyr: I'm moved (a bit) by your contrition, but this is suspension number four, and it's for very similar behavior. It's forum suspension number four, even, and we have even less tolerance for repeats when there are clear and unmistakable warnings through the thump system.
I'm reviewing your thumps. It's totally understandable to be passionate about politics, but extreme views are not tolerated on TV Tropes, especially when those views involve violent wishes towards other people. This isn't Reddit or Twitter. We moderate tone every bit as much as content; it's how we keep our forums enjoyable for everyone.
Never mind that you were explicitly told this last time. What sort of message does it send if we keep letting you get away with it?
I'm going to ask the other moderators about your case but at the very minimum you're going to be banned for some length of time. Call it a week, a month... you might as well start to adapt to this new reality.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~jessicadicicco610: You seriously didn't know what plagiarism is? In school, you are taught not to copy from other students' work. People get in trouble for it publicly all the time. You've been a troper for almost three years. You really have to try harder to come up with an excuse.
~Wanderwolf: You've received several notifiers for Conversation in the Main Page and persist in doing it; in fact, it's been observed that the majority of your edits are natter. TV Tropes is not a chatroom. Before we consider trusting you to resume editing, please explain in detail what we're talking about and how to avoid it.
By the way, half of the people who are suspended want to "correct mistakes". There is no mode we can place users in where they are only allowed to fix grammar and spelling. This is an all-or-nothing deal.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 6th 2021 at 7:01:32 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Vermilion Samurai 88: Your English is not up to the standards we require on this wiki. I'm reading some of your edits and you are making tense/plurality errors, using run-on sentences, and more. It is up to our users to use correct grammar while editing.
If you would like to get advice for improving your writing, you may visit this forum thread and post edits that you either have made or would like to make so they can be corrected. If you can demonstrate improvement by posting edits that do not require corrections, you may request to have your suspension released.
Please be aware that other tropers generously help out in that thread and be respectful of their time.
If we release your suspension and you continue making mistakes, you will be permanently banned.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Xenoslayer 2137: Consider this a warning. I'll lift your suspension now, but repeats will not be tolerated.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Stephen Alexis: Your appeal is nonsensical. Making edits on two different accounts, never mind contradictory edits, is bafflingly absurd. I have no idea what you mean by "typing lags", either. You also seem to think some work pages are your personal property to dictate what others get to add. That doesn't fly here.
Between sockpuppetry, grammar, and claiming to own wiki articles, I see nothing worth keeping here. Your suspension is permanent.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 6th 2021 at 7:07:13 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~tfrench1463: We will release your suspension on the condition that you stop adding fanservice trope examples for underage characters. If you would like to participate in cleaning up any such existing examples, so much the better.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 6th 2021 at 7:09:49 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Andi Man: You engaged in what we call an Edit War over the page image. Moreover, you ignored a clearly written comment on the page telling you not to change the image without discussion.
That is two strikes in your first wiki edits. It's not a good look. We would like some assurance that you understand how a wiki works and how to participate responsibly.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~laar2002: I get the impression that you don't really understand what a wiki is for or how it's supposed to work. Based on your past suspension and this new one, you just want to add whatever you feel like, wherever you feel like, with no consideration for whether it fits or is relevant.
Combined with your terse responses in this thread, the chance that you will continue to do this sort of thing seems to be very high. Your suspension will not be released.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 6th 2021 at 7:17:32 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Batboy698: Based on your repeated non-sequiturs and apparent lack of understanding of why you were suspended, I think we're going to have to say goodbye. The only thing you seem to want to do is post crank theories in the Politics threads. We don't need you here.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Thrawn CA: I don't think you understand the meaning of plagiarism. This isn't a commercial site where you put up the cover blurb of a book as part of marketing it. We are a wiki, and we require original writing. There may be certain exceptions where we explicitly license content from creators, but in these cases the article in question will be marked as such and typically locked to prevent unauthorized modification.
No author can give you permission to repost their blurb as the description of an article about their work.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~cheezyp00fz: Given the grammatical errors you are making in your posts and the perfunctory way you talk about adding false information, you are not someone we can trust to edit responsibly. Your appeal is denied.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer, let me explain. All of that is due to my recklessness regarding the rules. I only joined because I wanted to help and have fun, but I'm terribly sorry if my actions had any negative consequences.
The reason why I kept repeating was because I was desperate for someone to hear my words and forgive me, but now that I repeated way too much, I've realized I'm too far gone. All what I want for someone to give me one last chance, but I promise that if I ever screw up seriously one more time, then there's no way back.
Please hear my words. I know I messed up, but what I want is forgiveness and not repeat those mistakes ever again.
I'm dead serious with these words, and I hope you give me a last chance, but with the conditions of following the rules and be more careful with my edits.
Edited by laar2002 on Mar 6th 2021 at 6:30:48 AM
Lost in Space
~The Lucky Cat: Here's the thing. You were suspended for edit warring and example indentation back in October and released on the promise that you would do better. You have not. So clearly something isn't working here. Here's one case of an explicit indentation error on examples that you yourself added.
As for edit warring, I don't care what habits you've developed about posting examples, but if you can't be bothered to check why something you added was removed, it's going to keep happening. I feel like we're wasting our time trying to correct you.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I still think it's odd, but as I mentioned, I'll certainly keep it in mind going forward. There are probably one or two other pages I've made that I can fix up, too, if my account can be unlocked.
I'm not sure if my private message notification is related to this, but if so, I can't respond, because my access to private messages is blocked.
Lost in Space
~DD 44 Handgun: You give good reasons for contesting those examples but your actual behavior puts the lie to your intentions. The edit reasons you used for your deletions betray an ideological agenda. You clearly meant that, or you wouldn't have typed those words out. I don't see any positive interpretation here.
You don't fight one agenda with another; you take it to discussion so that wiki consensus can sort the matter out.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Idumean Patriot: Okay, so I read the description of Victoria and your defense of it seems to be remarkably similar to your defense of Stonetoss. You are putting forth the viewpoint that right-wing propaganda pieces are not actually propaganda and/or that they need protection under freedom of speech. I thought we'd already hashed out that the latter doesn't apply to sites like TV Tropes.
I've read quite a few conservative propaganda pieces in my time and I feel no need to hold back on my criticism of them. You, however, seem to see yourself standing as a bulwark against some kind of culture war or cultural erasure. Frankly, the things you are defending aren't worth it. We can keep them in museums as examples of the horrors of that ideology, not talk about their virtues as literary works.
If you really think that the articles are violating our policies, such as the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, you are welcome to bring them up for consideration by the community, but in doing so you must accept the decisions of that community. I don't see you being willing to do that.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Thrawn CA: Yes, you are blocked from reading private messages as well as sending them. It's a thing we're trying to get fixed but our development queue is way, way behind.
I'll release your suspension given that we have reached an understanding.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
laar2002 has been shown the door.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 6th 2021 at 7:58:24 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hi guys, it's been a few days since I made my post, and I was wondering if there's an update regarding my situation? I understand that everyone has busy lives, and from the looks of this thread, a reasonably full docket of suspensions to work through, not to mention my case in particular being controversial, so if you guys are still discussing, that's totally cool.
I also want to reiterate that my regret and contrition for my behavior in that incident were sincere, and that has not changed even as the shock of being suspended has worn off and I've been thinking about how things went down. My description of the context which spurred me to make those posts were the truth, and I think my characterization of the outburst as being well, anomalous to the general thrust of my discourse on that politics thread, and not a natural extension of my politics at large, to be truthful, as well. I won't pretend that everyone will agree with all of my opinions, nor do I expect to. I still think that the way that nomination was killed by the Right was soaked in hypocrisy and fake outrage, and the way that, in this context, the Left pounced looked very much like a shark sensing blood in the water. Hypothetically, if I were to have that same conversation right now, and nothing from the past few days happened, I would concede that all of her foibles and embarrassing statements are valid reasons to be uneasy, but also taken out of context and allow her critics to have unfettered control over the narrative that may be incompletely portrayed by the fact that they came from leaks posted and curated by Assange. That's on top of seeing a fellow Indian American getting worked over publicly, and a New England Indian American, like me, at that, which made it have a sort of personal sting. The entire situation hits way differently when you don't already feel like you're at the very limit of mental endurance when you encounter the story, and I should have been more mindful of kind of headspace my mind was in at the time; I certainly wouldn't have said that nonsense about the journalist deserving it, because I've already written a lot in the past about the fabric of the social contract needing to be respected, and that's part and parcel of that sentiment. And as for using "pink hair" as a pejorative term for like the stereotypical Bernie leftist, I was entirely wrong there, and not just because that's mean and punching down: immediately after I got suspended, I encountered a picture of Sen. Sinema wearing a pink wig during debates in which she was arguing for the denial of a living wage for millions of Americans and I feel like a dumbass. She's the real insufferable "Pink Hair." My point is that I recognize why what I said was wrong, and I understand why I'm in the situation I'm in. I know that giving me another chance might give others the impression that you condone the behavior that got me suspended and that your rules are inconsistently or not seriously enforced, which is why I'm not arguing that the decision was in itself unwarranted, only that what put me in this unfortunate situation was inconsistent with my general conducted on that thread and on that forum over eleven years of participation in the community, and that this was an exceptional case borne out of an exceptional context, which I do not think will ever be repeated, and I will make sure that it isn't.
Thank you for your time.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Mar 6th 2021 at 10:53:47 AM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."