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#1: Aug 24th 2020 at 8:41:56 AM

I am thinking one of the dragon kingdoms on Meleti, the Alfeme, have their own tongue which needs to be translated. I'm thinking phonemes like this:

/a/ /e/ /f/ /i/ /j/ /k/ /l/ /m/ /n/ /o/ /p/ /s/ /&esh;/ /t/ /u/ /w/

It would probably be written with a featural abugida due to the simple syllabic structure (only /m/, /n/, and /l/ are viable ending consonants). It would have perfect and imperfect cases in the present and habitual case as well in the past. It would have prepositions, but most everything except demonstratives and genitives would be postpositive. Romanization would render /j/ as <y>, /k/ as <c>, and /&esh;/ as <x>.

Here's a few sample sentences:

Oti, cum setala. Paso emcata mi folaxe xay tiaman man telace.
[Not important now. We need to get her to Emcata before her crystal eats her alive.]
lit: Now, neg important. To emcata her take1pp before crystal her eat3ps.

Fafasim xamaca haylali.
[I envy flying dragons.]
lit: Dragons flying envy1ps.

Oti, fesixi. Lu as xamo lamapoli puxa ecapo, pus asa sansuca, tal?
[Now, let's be real here. I wanna go back where I came from, but this is just a gem, ain't it?]
lit: Now, [be honest]1pp. I to place came1pp past go want, but this gemstone, right?

So what do you think so far?

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#2: Aug 24th 2020 at 3:33:21 PM

Actually, maybe it would be better if it had something like an alphabet. Maybe something Hangul-like.

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#3: Aug 24th 2020 at 3:45:03 PM

Hangul is fascinating—more so because it was largely invented by a single historical individual: King Sejong in 1446. The idea, of course, is that the shape of every letter indicates how it is pronounced by association with the location of the tongue within the mouth. Tolkein's Elvish language Tenqwar is similar.

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#4: Aug 24th 2020 at 3:47:39 PM

Exactly the point—though something that evolved from logographies would be more interesting.

Also, adding /b/ /d/ /g/ to the inventory.

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#5: Aug 24th 2020 at 3:51:17 PM

Mixing the vowels and the consonants together is a little weird to me. Also, you dont seem to group the consonants by similarity in speech production: voiceless/voiced x aspirant/stop; ie, the p/b/v/f group, the t/d/th/dh group, the k/g/j/sh, and so forth. Those aren't the only groupings that could be justified, but you see the underlying principle.

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#6: Aug 24th 2020 at 8:36:39 PM

[up] I grouped them together to show alphabetical order.

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#7: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:21:34 PM

Decided to add allophonic variations to /f/, /s/, and /[sh]/. They now become /v/, /z/, and /[zh]/ between vowels.

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#8: Aug 31st 2020 at 8:22:36 AM

Quick thingy I posted in the Conlang Coven:

I thought in my language that there are nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive cases, but dative is only being used in formal speech. The formal second-person pronouns (are also falling somewhat into disuse, though they are still used commonly to refer to Maci (the moon), the sun, and the Fis—the divine king of the island. Even his children refer to him by formal pronouns.

Recently, people have taken to using the informal second-person pronoun when talking to the Fis. This is especially true with those who supported what Fis Poleca had did before the Lelfe overthrew him.

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#9: Aug 31st 2020 at 2:54:44 PM

Velar sounds now become palatal before /i/ due to a sound change. /ŋ/ becomes /ɲ/, /k/ becomes /c/, and /g/ becomes /ɟ/. This is similar to how I actually speak English.

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#10: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:31:32 PM

I have to say that I am not really familiar with the symbols you are using. Can you provide some examples?

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#11: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:50:39 PM

They are found in the IPA. /c/ represents a voiceless palatal stop (like the "k" in "keep"). /ɟ/ is a voiced palatal stop (like "g" in "gear"). /ɲ/ is a palatal nasal (like the "ny" in "canyon"). The n with a hook is the "ng" in "sing."

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