Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

So, you think that Rhea understood that people whom she had never even conclusively proven the existence of had descendants who were 100% in line with their previous thinking and were going to continue their plan- and for that matter, you seem to take for granted that Rhea knew exactly what their long-term plans were, even though she never found any solid evidence that they existed. Rhea isn't omniscient.

Well people in this setting have no problem seeing the Slithers as all evil, and i do find it strange that Rhea would leave such a dangerous loose end. She is aware that they also have access to nukes and have created the valley of torment as a failed attempt at blowing up the monastery, that alone should have warranted a tripling of efforts. And she knew they existed, she just gave up investigating thoroughly despite having loads of leads.

Even if she wanted to leave the Slithers alone because their descendants MIGHT have been repentant, she would at least make sure of it, recall that she spared the tribes of the Elites as long as they surrendered supposedly, so it would be prudent to keep investigating to ensure they aren't a threat.

Which leads me to realize a writing problem Rhea suffers from. She has to do stupid things to ensure the plot happens.

You would think that after repeated failures at reviving Sothis and even dabbling in forbidden arts would be a sign that she should take responsibility and take leading Fodlan seriously, but NOPE! Messiah project for Sitri.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 30th 2020 at 8:21:44 AM

This is why letting the dragon with mommy issues be the Pope was a bad idea.

Random Peasant: Yer the pope? I didn't vote for you.

Rhea: Free Alcohol for everyone!

Random Peasant: SOLD!

Seteth for Pope, please.

Seteth might as well be the pope since he blatantly ignores your orders in SS if they contradict the plot.

Yeah, that "sorry, guys, we're not on your route" moment was awkward...

Yeah, i like Seteth and Flayn better on VW. At least Flayn had a little growth in SS i could appreciate.

It's too bad that Hubert and Edelgard stole the show in SS, and that the heroes don't get much development. Like show us why the Church units like the Church at the very least or SOMETHING.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 30th 2020 at 10:15:56 AM

He would have needed to be Pope from the beginning in order to make any significant difference by the time the plot happens, though. He has an awful lots of very logical objections in White Clouds that Rhea gainsays without explanation. Since we later find it that it's because she's crazy and biased...

Edited by KuroiTsubasaTenshi on Jun 30th 2020 at 11:21:22 AM

He's technically pope by default during the timeskip.

Then hands it off to Byleth because of their connection to Sothis and he promised Rhea.

Edelgard was right, blood rights are a terrible idea.

Well, Byleth kind of is more powerful than Seteth, because of the Crest of Flames.

It's not about UMLIMITED POWER!!!!!! it's about proper leadership, Seteth actually is knowledgeable about Fodlan and is a war vetaran, Byleth is a mercenary who's only 22 who's lack of knowledge of Fodlan and other basic things not involving combat, that doesn't inspire confidence. Honestly S-supporting Rhea might be the best thing for SS because she knows what she's doing at least.

Besides, by the logic that someone with the power of the goddess should rule Fodlan that Rhea believes, then it's fair game that Edelgard rules in CF.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 30th 2020 at 10:33:55 AM

As I said, the after the time skip is too late. Hell, even at the very start of the plot would have been iffy. It needed to be the Church of Cichol instead of Seiros.

If Seteth had his say, he would totally make it the Church of Cethlenn.

Any food besides fish is banned.

Also, recall that nobody really cares that much about Seteth. Your main forces consist of former students who adore Byleth and are willing to follow them, so that's also something.

Yeah, the Church of Seiros is so mighty and powerful that 90% of the next generation of nobles don't give a rat's ass about it...

Seriously, were we supposed to see characters blowing smoke when they were talking about the Church's supposed power?

The Church definitely had a lot of power at its founding (enough to rewrite and falsify history entirely). As of the plot, it still has significant power, but its political clout has clearly waned. This can, however, be attributed to Rhea being a poor leader who let her obsession with her pet necromancy project consume her.

Alternatively, she didn't want to be a dictator, and let humans rule themselves.

That's the Azure Moon/ Verdant wind ending.

That's your interpretation anyway. It says something when most of this generation's nobles go to the school run by the church.

It says something when the Western Church genuinely assumed the Central Church and Rhea were manipulating people. Whoops.

EDIT: So i had the weirdest dream, when i took a nap. I dreamt that school play DLC actually happened and each house was portraying a game. Black Eagles got Holy War, Blue Lions got Blazing Blade and Golden Deer got Path of Radiance.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 30th 2020 at 12:36:32 PM

Ingame we see most of the nobles turn tail or not stick with the religion even ingame. They make this very clear, especially on CF where Lorenz laments how most of the nobility never believed in the Church and just used it as an easy means to obtain power, then when Edelgards system, because Meritocracy inherently favors those in positions of power already, curry favor with her.

They sided with Edelgard because she was on the winning team, not because her meritocracy would benefit them.

Right, on the topic of my weird dream, have you guys ever seen fan art of Mercedes in Lyn's outfit? She was playing the role of Lyn, and Ashe was Mark.

I even remember voice lines.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 30th 2020 at 12:40:41 PM

No, it doesn't say anything. Edelgard and Claude both go despite hating the Church of Seiros.

He literally points out they threw it away because it was inconvenient to their power.

Thats not loyalty or devotion, thats opportunism.

If you want me to believe the Church had more power, there should be a lot more nobles standing with and dying for the Church. ESPECIALLY in the Empire if the faith is such a bane on existence.

Thats never what the text says. Instead the text says:

Nobles betray what they preach when its incovenient.

Only the commoners are devout and stick to their faith to the point they will flee countries so they can worship.

Seteth even notes that they have to make chanbers that separate commoners and nobles because the nobles demand a distinction at Garreg Mach, which shouldnt be possible if they were truly loyal and not in a position where they can threaten the Church.

Even Faerghus, the most devout nation, prioritizes King and country over the Church, who they were supposed to be the ones attack first in a plan Rhea agreed with. So they were treating the Church ss more disposable.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 30th 2020 at 12:52:17 PM

They have ulterior motives though, and granted Claude hates the church a lot less than Edelgard. Still they have to go because it's one of the most elite schools ever and it is expected that they respect the Goddess and Church, hence Rhea's comments when sending them to battle.

That's more of a problem with writing that you have, plus you guys all forget that post timeskip for at least 3 routes, the Church is crippled by the loss of Rhea and has already lost power. That's why in CF the deck is more stacked against the Empire since Rhea is still a piece on the board. That's why guys like Archeron. are not siding with the Empire on CF and why the Kingdom swears loyalty and cooperates with the Church because Rhea is there, Rhea IS the Church, it's called the Church of Seiros for a reason. As noted, after Miklan's defeat, Rhea has a vested interest in ensuring the commoners believe in the nobility.

And as you stated, Omega that it's the commoners who believe the most yes? Well here's a direct qoute from Edelgard: " Those who rule this world use that beast's power to fabricate miracles and control those who blindly believe in the goddess."

And that point with Seteth and boarding? Personally it just reads as if the faculty really didn't see it as a point worth fighting against.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 30th 2020 at 1:05:10 AM

Except in the game where that doesnt happen, the nobles still turn kn Rhea easily and dont treat the Church like it was important foundation or anything.

If the writing cant support what its trying to say, then it completely undermines the arguments being made.

Its literally why Edelgards route is dubbed by other terms like supremacy in its meaning. She conquers Fodlan easily, but in doing so proves that whatever she was trying to invoke was nonsense and she just wanted an easier time conquering.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 30th 2020 at 1:12:06 AM