Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

I heard that Cornelia's last words on Crimson Flowers was more along the lines of "Huh, looks like we Agarthans got played..." in the original version. If so, I find it curious that the localization changed it into something more along the lines of "You've changed nothing. Things are still going well for us."

Probably the fact the war with them goes on for untold years me thinks. Instead of Edelgard instantly winning like people expect.

That's because they mixed the words your and our. Whoops. Like the game has some misspellings like the the one about five years that the Chris Hackney was able to pick up on, while Cornelia's actress wasn't able to with her line.

Omega, I know you have burning hatred for Edelgard, but please refrain from spreading that. You are giving localization haters fuel.

Like your woosleyism theory doesn't work because Edelgard takes the thing as a victory and is not filled with doubt like Dimitri was in AM, so it's a goof, nothing deliberate.

That's the sort of thinking that make people think the localizers have a bias for Dimitri.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 25th 2020 at 10:07:08 AM

A number do think the war was fast and instant, when we know for a fact Agarthans are persistent cockroaches

And no its just a fact that Cornelia is mentioned to be a sadist fo the end, fucking with Edelgard even if she has no basis in her statements is entirely in character for Cornelia.

I assumed that was directly about that post and not the previous one.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 25th 2020 at 10:10:19 AM

Wait which war are you talking about?

You do make a valid point Omega, but the fact it leads to nothing of substance makes the change a pointless one - it needs to work in the context if CF, and the fact it doesn’t means it comes off as random without the context of AM.

Further still, Cornelia is surprisingly accepting of her fate in both AM and CF regardless, in spite of her petty sadism. She seems awfully blasé about the fact that Edelgard is the more successful puppetmaster and what that implies for the Slitherers, and appears content with hopefully breaking Dimitri’s resolve with nothing but the Awful Truth at hand (but as you said, ultimately just wanting to screw with him). Does she even care for their cause, or does she see even herself as nothing but a piece in this game of destruction and chaos that is life? Hmm...

Going on the continuing argument that CF was too short (which I agree with, mind), that is something they could have done if it were linger, and yes it would have been great. On that note, my addendum is this - CF isn’t weakened because it’s SHORTER, it’s let down because it is SHORT. I think every route could honestly gave been longer, while still largely delivering the same ultimate stories and themes - however, while the other three could have done with 2-3 more chapters overall, CF needed 3-4. At worst, it could have been 21 Chapters to AM and VW having 24-25 chapters each and all could have been completely fulfilling campaigns (as a side, “Fates” really shot itself in the foot trying to make all three paths equal length - BE and CQ maybe makes sense, but not REV.

I’m not talking a linear addition here, contrary to popular belief we don’t NEED Edelgard & Dimitri’s campaigns to end with fighting TWSITD onscreen, I’m talking using more in the middle to enhance the story. For instance:

• Have AM get another obligatory chapter before we liberate Fhirdiad, and/or make the Battle of Deirdru a two-chapter affair; give us another fight in Empire territory before or after Fort Merceus, possibly an exclusive resulting from TWSITD scrambling after Thales-as-Arundel died (giving more meat to Myson’s role in the last stage)

• For VW, give us another chapter or two after Enbarr falls so the fight with the Slitherers feels more climactic; maybe have Cornelia command such a fight trying to stop you from reaching Shamballa (and possibly reveal her true form here), THEN fight Thales. You could also have another chapter based in, say, the Leicester Alliance right after Gronder, fighting off the Dukedom (as the Kingdom army is in ruin with Dimitri dead and Rodrigue and Gilbert implicitly dying soon after) as it tries to encroach on the Alliance (also giving more context to Cornelia just vanishing, maybe she leads them but retreats).

• With CF, we needed more time for Edelgard to have introspection, dwell on whether she’s really in the right or if she’s really going to successfully take down TWSITD after Rhea’s defeated and Fodlan united (can we actually beat them, with what they have?) Not to mention having to maybe fight rebels in the western Empire territory or just protect it from Kingdom/Church forces (also proving how far that alliance has sunk in a way), reminding her of the littler picture and HOW it informs the bigger one... Things of that nature, anyway.

• Finally, on SS, whether you show us Gronder in some way or not, give us more on how much smaller a Church army without allies is from there, give us another foght en toute to thw capital, kind of like AM and VW could have. Maybe have it that Edelgard won handily, so she’s not stuck at Enbarr, and have HUBERT be holding the throne when breaking through and rescuing Rhea... or don’t, but have Rhea serve as the Gotoh archetype by fighting with you against TWSITD; make it so that we fight a chapter or two on the way to Shambhalla, but do NOT fight Thales - have him take much of their forces and resources to Garreg Mach, and then maybe he firebombs their lair feeling it’s not needed and wanting you dead. While Rhea takes injury like in VW, she keeps fighting and now you must fight in Garreg Mach - in two consecutive chapters, defeat Thales there and THEN we have Rhea (injured some more) confessing and going feral... See? Now we have context as WELL as theme for why she doesn’t do so on VW, or why Nemesis doesn’t resurrect.

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Feb 26th 2020 at 5:38:38 AM

Wow, you've given this a lot of thought. "Claps"

@Caellach I'm talking about how CF has a ton of alternate scenes like whether you spare/kill Claude, spare/kill Flayn and Seteth, and let Dedue transform or not.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Feb 25th 2020 at 8:31:34 PM

Red Hunter: I try, at least. I just felt that the bellyaching over CF being the shortest route was Dramatically Missing the Point as to where and why it falls short. It’s only the second-weakest route at WORST, and while I’m unopposed to extending it alone (or even to it being equal length, as long as that’s not enforced stringently), that doesn’t mean the others don’t also have room for improvement.

My initial idea was for Rhea to recapture Garreg Mach while Edelgard was taking Deirdru in a longer struggle, having to then free some of her territory in the west and then take down Dimitri at Tailtean before a final fight at the Monastery (which is set alight instead of Fhirdiad, maybe), but I realised that wouldn’t work either thematically (why the war ends at Tailtean and Fhirdiad), logistically (allocation if resources on both sides) or characteristically (for Rhea to burn it all down THERE)... not to mention forcing you to TWICE capture GM, and the same place as SS being the last battleground.

Still, I feel like Edelgard at least needed pushback, more meaningful opposition overall and to struggle more than a couple Mauve Shirt deaths. Even the more linear campaigns in FE had this (Marth, the Jugdral heroes, Roy, both Eirika and Ephraim, etc.)

EDIT: I see. Those are still small changes (with inconsequential impact on the overall plot) compared to whether you decide to march on Enbarr vs. liberate Fhirdiad, however.

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Feb 26th 2020 at 6:40:42 AM

Edelgard needed someone like Fleche. A random nobody who tries to go after her because they've been victimized by the war. Make her confront the fact that lots of people are being hurt by her actions instead of just letting her write it off as an unfortunate statistic, even if she decides continuing on her current course is the best path.

That too. On the matter of Fleche, she should have been the Est archetype of the game, probably CF-exclusive. EDIT: Specifically, keeping Randolph’s death as-is, but THEN having her join complete with Supports and all (ideally with those extra chapters I proposed earlier).

Might I also add, with Hilda being locked away on this route, imagine if Holst was the boss of a chapter - either a paralogue which only happens if you kill Claude at Deirdru, or an unavoidable fight where you face him anyway; Hilda plus maybe Raphael & Lorenz coming too, and you must kill them outright (or at least Hilda snd her brother, and like Annette and Gilbert at Fhirdiad or Seteh and Flayn at GM, one has dialogue when you kill the other).

EDIT: Point. Not that Edelgard’s NOT building her future Fodlan upon such, but Dimitri’s starting point is his misconception of her complicity in the Duscur incident. The game showing more of how her actions have harmed people (rather than Rhea’s reactions yo her that did so) would absolutely have helped.

As for Miklan? Uh, let me get back to you on that one...

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Feb 27th 2020 at 7:17:03 AM

Speaking off, that's sort of why Dimitri's call out to her is sort of falls flat to me a bit, is because he's more pissed at what he thinks Edelgard did rather than what she is currently doing.

EDIT: So i saw Sylvain's line that he said Miklan had a harder life than himself in his support with Mercedes. Huh, is that supposed to be a legit concern, or is he softening up Miklan now that he's long dead?

Speaking off, where exactly is it stated Miklan was disowned because of his murder attempts on Sylvain? Is it actually said or is that a thing the fanbase invented like Edelgard calling Claude an outsider?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 26th 2020 at 12:11:24 PM

IIRC Miklan was still a noble, he just wouldn't inherit the title. His attempts to murder his brother was what got him booted out the family.

Also, I can't believe the Agarthans are surprised Edelgard is planning to double cross them.

Thales: Durrr, the concept of hubris is lost on us.

They already know that she's planning to double-cross them, though? Like Edelgard just states to their faces that she plans to dispose of them because it's so obvious there's no point in trying to be coy about it.

They know, but cannot fathom being defeated by “vermin” or “lowly beasts”.

Going back to chapter 5 it seems the writers didn't understand the difference between disowned and passed over for inheritance.

It keeps saying that he was disinherited/discarded/disowned because of his lack of crest, not because he was abusive. Oddly, nothing Sylvain states supports that he was disowned for attempted murder. Consider that Sylvain stated Miklan tried to kill him at least twice by leaving him in a well and to freeze to death, this paints an interesting picture of his parents. Was he even considered a son? Or merely a hanger on? If he was truly disowned because of a murder attempt, then why was he able to have more than one try?

The World building is really awkward when one really observes.

Seteth and Dimitri states he was disowned for his lack of crest. You'd think Dimitri would know if he was disowned because Miklan was abusive specifically, considering he's friends with Sylvain. But NOPE, Dimitri seems to not be aware of Miklan's murder attempts and still considers it wrong that Miklan was disowned/disinherited for lack of crest.

Hmmm, it would be prudent to wait for that translation to get to this chapter.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 26th 2020 at 8:53:46 AM

I'm pretty sure Sylvain never told his parents what was happening. Miklan seems to have made his murder attempts look like accidents.

Guess Miklan buggered off himself after failing to kill Sylvain 568 times and decided banditry was a happier lifestyle.

I would assume if Miklan's parents knew, they would put him in jail.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 26th 2020 at 10:20:01 AM

Outright disowning kids for not having a Crest makes no sense even for the most extreme houses/houses that rely on Relics. Said kids can still be used to form marriage alliances, they can be taught to lead armies, administer households, act as diplomats, and so forth. And crucially, their own children could have Crests (as Ingrid's family demonstrates).

I can't check right now, but I thought Miklan was merely disinherited for not having a Crest and only later got disowned? I'll have to double-check once I get the chance.

But, as was stated here earlier, a lot of characters act like he was disowned for not having a Crest. And even in-universe, that makes little logical sense.

Seteth is the one who states Miklan was disowned, and he merely states he believed so. Dimitri is the one who states he was disinherited. Both cases involved crests, not abuse.

Hell the dialogue before entering the tower, implies that becoming a bandit is what caused Miklan to be disowned.

Using the words interchangeably here confused people.

It makes more sense that Miklan himself left to become a bandit.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 26th 2020 at 10:42:14 AM

If he was disowned for not having a crest he'd be thrown out on the streets the moment Sylvain was confirmed to have one. He wouldn't be around to torment Sylvain.

It really is treating the words like they are interchangeable that's the problem.

Caspar is presumably the standard Crestless noble from a Crest bearing bloodline. Yeah, he's not inheriting (though in his case it helps that the heir apparent is older) barring shit going absolutely tits up. But his dad still paid for him to receive a great education, and he definitely has a future in the Imperial military.