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To my knowledge I believe one of his children also said the abuse happened.
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A wandering user
Now that makes it harder to know who to trust.
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
...why would you not go ahead and trust the person accusing the guy of being abusive? That sounds outright insulting to the victim, dude.
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A wandering user
...I. Am. Not. Defending. Him.
Just don't know what could be the truth.
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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
The truth is he's an abuser. I'd suggest you drop this topic, please.
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Just because someone makes an accusation doesn't mean it's instantly true. The person making the statement should be trusted, and things should be looked into, but an accusation itself isn't the same thing as guilt.
So definitely trust the accuser that they're telling the truth, but don't end the investigation there without even doing the proper work.
edited 6th Mar '18 10:53:23 PM by randomdude4
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A wandering user
EXACTLY!
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
And I say, quit derailing this thread to defend someone who's a scumbag. If we're seriously trying to make apologia for a man who was accused of outright strangling his ex-wife when they were still together, then it's nothing but apologia towards abuse victims. Drop it, move on, and quit it.
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A wandering user
OK we will, but keep in mind that it's still not officially certain of the accusations, which means that you shouldn't call him a scumbag just now. Waiting for more is the answer and that's that.
Moving on.
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I believe what Luigi is trying to say is, while such accusations should be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated, there is also this thing called "innocent until proven guilty", and that we as laypeople in matters of the law should not be trying anyone in the court of public opinion.
They do have medals for almost, and they're called silver!
Back on topic. This goes for everyone participating in this derail.
I'm rather disappointed Hawkins didn't take Best Actress. Not just because I like The Shape of Water, but because she gave such a stellar performance essentially with one hand tied behind her back.
The King Without a Kingdom
At least it was someone other than Meryl Streep. Nothing against her or anything, but she's nominated way too much.
It's been 3000 years…
In the name of being honest
To be fair, some people can do a lot
with just their hands.
A Wink's As Good As A Nod To A Blind Bat
This Tuesday I finished my quest to see the 9 best pictures of last year:
9. Get Out 8. Lady Bird 7. Call Me By Your Name 6. Dunkirk 5. Phantom Thread 4. 3 Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri 3. The Post 2. Shape Of Water 1. Darkest Hour
I should point out that "Darkest Hour" has an unfair disadvantage because I freakin' love Sir Winston Churchill and Great Britain in general. That 's not to say I only liked "Darkest Hour" because it's sympathetic towards Sir Winston. It is very entertaining, well-made and well-acted
On the flip side, the main reason why "Get Out" is my least favorite is mostly just because it's part of a genre I don't care for. Of the limited amount of horror movies I have seen: "Get Out" is phenomenal.
It just goes to show why I care so much about the Oscars: I would not have bothered with "Get Out" if it hadn't been nominated for Best Picture or won for Original Screenplay. I'm glad it did get nominated because I really enjoyed "Get Out".
No, Mr. Bunker, "this here" is justice
She/her
Darkest Hour had an uphill battle with me (my dad loves Churchill so I’ve been exposed to a LOT of books/movies/tv shows over the years).
I was surprised by how much I loathed it. I don’t think Oldman is compelling (Robert Hardy is my favorite Churchill), the film has poor pacing, the film can’t decide whether Churchill is glorious or a jerk, and the surrounding cast are bland. The film’s hyper focus on a short period of time is odd, and the resolution weak. The scene on the underground was both mawkish and utterly out of character for Churchill.
I loved Get Out. Very tense, clever, and layered film. Great acting all around. I haven’t seen any of the others yet. I have <0 interest in Dunkirk, The Post, 3 Billboards, and Phantom Thread. I really want to see Shape of Water.
edited 21st Apr '18 7:16:00 PM by wisewillow
The film's focus on a short period of time is entirely logical. That entire period—from the Germans finally attacking in France on the day Churchill took office to the successful conclusion of the Dunkirk evacuation—took 25 days or so.
I do agree with the point about Churchill's ride on the Underground being pointless and counterproductive.
She/her
Yes, I know. The decision to make a film about that short period of time bothers me. Because it’s not really about that time, it’s about Churchill in that time. Yet it can’t decide if it’s a super-focused Churchill hagiography, or a piece on that short period of time.
Yes, it's about Churchill as PM during the crisis. Why is that a bad thing?
Disasturbator
Doctor Who had the best churchill,even if he was straight up caricature
New theme music also a box
She/her
Because it doesn’t entirely make up its mind- it’s a super laudatory Churchill piece but it kinda tries to suggest it’s about the time period, not him. I dunno, it feels like a cookie cutter Great Man movie. There’s lip service to him being a jerk, but the overall depiction is that Churchill is inspiring and brilliant: the film feels self-important when it’s nothing new.
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Who do you think would have been nominated if Best Picture was the usual 5-movie category?
I think "Call Me By Your Name", "Darkest Hour", Phantom "Thread" and "The Post" would have been snubbed
No, Mr. Bunker, "this here" is justice
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
Darkest Hour is boring as fuck, outright ahistorical to a disgusting degree and outright propaganda in some parts, and honestly fuck Winston Churchill. Disgusting racist piece of shit.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Yeah, Darkest Hour, even putting aside the fact that Churchill was a bigoted imperialist who helped create the Bengal famine, was just very by-the-numbers and safe. Not to mention how mediocre most of the performances felt (which is apparently controversial for me to say) and how mindless parts of the film were in their support of Winston Churchill when other parts made him look like an asshole (while still managing to feel like nationalist bullshit). That subway scene in particular was so cheesy it hurt.
Overall, I'd rank the nine Best Picture nominees:
- Call Me By Your Name
- Phantom Thread
- The Shape of Water
- Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
- Get Out
- Dunkirk
- Lady Bird
- The Post
- Darkest Hour
It's a shame that Good Time or the Florida Project weren't nominated, cause both of them were better than more than half the nominees. I suppose that's what happens when A24 decides to spend all their nomination funds on Lady Bird.
edited 22nd Apr '18 8:50:47 PM by golgothasArisen
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Even muddier if you're not sure if the children are being apologists, coerced by their father or something.
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