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I'm sure it will get a HISHE pretty soon. They've been pretty much covering all major superhero films these past couple of years. They only exception being Fant4stic, which just shows how lame that film was that HISHE didn't want to bother with it.
Edited by 123tbones on Sep 18th 2019 at 1:25:04 AM
I was listening to the Screen Junkies commentary on the film and they seem surprised that Magneto got off the hook despite it being all explained at the end of Apocalypse.
They also seem to think Jean was suppose to be a villain and “possessed”. Shame people keep misreading the movie.
They also didn’t do The Wolverine.
What dissection videos have been done? It was just released on home media.
Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Sep 19th 2019 at 11:00:46 AM
Because Moria reported to the authorities that Apocalypse was responsible for all of that and Magneto helped stopped him. The public didn’t know of Magneto’s involvement. Basically, Charles and company lied to everyone.
Also, notice how they also said that the events would cause mutant controversy.
Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 12:39:03 PM
Yeah, that was not in the theatrical cut of the film. It went directly from defeating Apocalypse to Magneto helping them rebuilding the manor, without all that voice-over chatter.
I definitely remember hearing that when I saw it in the theater.
Nonetheless, that means Magneto still killed thousands of people and...the X-Men just covered it up.
Foreign Troper
Well, that is pretty comic accurate.
The X-Men (well, not just them, superhero teams in general) tend to work with former mass murderers all the time.
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I recall in The Childrens Crusade, when the X-Men balked at the idea of forgiving Wanda after the events of House of M and M-Day, Wiccan pointed out how they had forgiven Magneto, Emma Frost, and Gambit for plenty of other widespread crimes.
According to House of X, however, they still haven't forgiven her.
The Head of the Hydra
Well her crime was a wee bit more personal.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Surrounded by weirdoes
The standards on who is unforgivable in comics are weird.
Wake me up at your own risk.
Foreign Troper
Who can blame 'em?
But then again that's off-topic.
Still haven't seen Dark Phoenix, tbh. Just didn't see the point. And I say that as somebody who enjoyed First Class, Days of the Future Past and even Apocalypse.
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It’s certainly better paced than Apocalypse, which first act dragged over a hour before it reached a plot point.
Speaking of that Screen Junkie commentary Dan said that they ignored Apocalypse and said that Jean had the force inside her. It triggered a memory buried deep in my subconscious that goes all the way back to December 2017. Kinberg actually said that Jean had the Phoenix Force inside her and the solar flare just awakened/triggered/created it.
https://ew.com/movies/2017/12/07/dark-phoenix-x-men-jean-grey-space/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Guess they didn’t ignore it.
Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:34:35 AM
The Head of the Hydra
Wait if the solar flare triggered it than what the fuck was that in Apocalypse?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I feel so bad for this franchise. I'm going to miss it. It was a nice alternative to the MCU.
Not sure I get the "let's see them aliens" bit.
Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
It wasn’t a massive giant bird like it was at the end of this movie.
The Head of the Hydra
It was still a fucking fire bird with enough juice to obliterate an all powerful mutant without any effort.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
It's a reference to the "storm Area 51" meme.
They never call the solar flare the “Phoenix Force” in the movie, just a cosmic power and it looks like a purple space cloud instead of a Phoenix. They said that it was drawn to Jean because she is “special” and “stronger than she knows”. Alluding to the Phoenix Force inside her.
Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Sep 19th 2019 at 5:21:06 AM
So either the Phoenix is a giant space cloud that inhabits Jean or Jean already had the Phoenix inside her and a giant space cloud just happens to inhabit her anyway and...give her the exact same powers she already had. (But noooo, it just "increases the powers she already has." Which isn't true, considering how Vuk wanted to steal the power of the cosmic force from her — what, was Vuk trying to steal Jean's mutant power? If the Cosmic Space Cloud only increased the power you already had, then why would it give any power to Vuk and the D'Bari? Nothing in the film makes sense.)
Once again: it's a blatant retcon. They don't want you to remember the end of Apocalypse, because otherwise it makes no sense. Even Kinberg's attempt and trying to make it make sense makes no sense.
Edited by alliterator on Sep 19th 2019 at 5:20:32 AM
Comics=/=Movies
This is an adaptation and thus must stand on its own.
Vuk and the aliens were already shown to have telepathy and telekinesis before she took some of the power.
This is an adaptation and thus must stand on its own.
If they didn't want it to be the Phoenix Force (which they clearly did), then they wouldn't have called the movie Dark Phoenix. They clearly wanted to adapt the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga and that meant having the Phoenix Force — they just didn't want to go whole hog and call it that because, again, this movie is terrible.
Once again: this movie wants to have it's cake and eat it, too. It wanted to be a reboot of the X-Men franchise, without actually rebooting anything. It wanted to be the Dark Phoenix Saga without a) having the necessary set-up and b) having the necessary payoff.
And before you say "But they didn't want to make the Dark Phoenix Saga!" they called film Dark Phoenix. That is the answer to any and all questions over "What they wanted to make."
