Yu-Gi-Oh! Vrains

My guess is that they will side with/recruit Playmaker and AI as IIRC Sol created the Ignis and is thus responsible for the Lost Incident.

That was Kogami's doing, SOL just profited off of it.

And given that the big danger (Lightning) is dead, they might not have any reason to go after AI.

Edited by Blueace on May 15th 2019 at 10:09:23 AM

They did already get all they needed from Earth....which reminds me: how did Bohman get his data again? I keep forgetting that.

And I've even asked before so it's annoying that it keeps slipping from my mind.

We don't know how Bohman got Earth's data because it was never shown/explained to us.

Aqua had some of the data, didn't she have Crystal Heart? Still, more than one would expect.

Edited by Blueace on May 15th 2019 at 12:15:13 PM

The writer have to came up with way for Yusaku not to use Firewall Dragon so now he have a new ace, Firewall refrain Firewall Dragon Darkfluid.

Not really, though. that's just the standard climactic evolution of the ace monster for the final duel. It's like saying that stardust savior dragon or shooting quasar dragon were made because yusei wasn't allowed to play OG stardust.

Dark fluid's requirements makes it way too impractical to use as an replacement go-to ace.

Edited by Yumil on May 16th 2019 at 1:10:03 PM

No this case is pretty different. I wouldn't call Darkfluid a new ace, it's too overloaded for that, but they're finding every excuse in the book to not have Yusaku use Firewall, unlike Revolver who's allowed to summon his Varreload every duel. I'd more call it as Yusaku not having a true "Ace" card, and the closest we have to it is Decode Talker since he actually uses that one on some remote occasion. Firewall is all but forgotten.

Real Life Writes the Plot sucks.

Decode Talker feels more like Junk Warrior, the sub-ace so to speak. But it's weird for a yugioh protagonist to have a boss monster that's banned.

Firewall Dragon got banned?

Why? And is this in the anime only, or in the games as well?

firewall "game-killing bozo" dragon got banned in real life, both ocg and tcg, because his effect of "if one of your monsters is detroyed, summon something from the hand" not being a once per turn enabled a ridiculous number of degenerate FT Ks with things like cannon soldier, where you'd tribute a monster with a floating effect to inflict 500 damage to the opponent, search another monster, summon it thanks to firewall, and repeating the process over and over until the opponent was dead. He's not banned in the universe of the anime, but they probably don't want to advertise too much a product you're not allowed to play IRL.

The card is singlehandedly regarded as the responsible for one of, if not THE worst formats of the card game ever, which is made worse by the fact that konami took a long time to ban it (they did it at the time firewall Xceed was introduced in the anime, (isn't that the last time OG firewall was used in the anime ?) and initially tried to ban every single card that interacted with it rather than itself, which crippled decks who did nothing to deserve it ( AB Cs losing A-assault core for example).

topologic gumblar is also banned for being a "soft" ftk where he ripped the opponent's entire hand before they even get a turn, leaving them with 1 or 2 cards to deal with the board the opponent had set up, but since that's not one of revolver's main ace it's not really a problem.

Edited by Yumil on May 16th 2019 at 5:08:25 PM

Worst that he generic, which mean any deck can summon him. Konami then ban anything else beside Firewall Dragon. If i was them, i would just erata it, nerf it down to be 1 per turn.

Konami wasn't the only person to make decisions, the anime made the card therefore shueisha holds the right of the real life card even if Konami printed it, which is why it took so long to ban it for Konami and why they at first tried playing around that. Looks like shueisha preferred banning it than errata it.

Edited by Yumil on May 16th 2019 at 3:51:43 PM

source?

It's weird as fuck because OG Firewall wasn't even used in the summoning of its evolved form, which I don't think has ever happened before

Shooting quasar though

I'm on my phone right now, I'll try to give you that in a moment.

Edited by Yumil on May 16th 2019 at 4:04:13 PM

Amusingly, you wouldn't want to even if OG Firewall was still legal due to the summoning requirement being "3+ Effect Monsters". Firewall would have to only count for 1 in the summon.

What's been said about Firewall's loops being the cause of its ban is correct.

Edited by burnpsy on May 16th 2019 at 10:38:17 AM

x4 Okay, so. I can't seem to find an official statement about it, so maybe it's really just several people parroting what one guy made up one day.

However, i found this thread that claims to explain the dynamic between the three companies having the rights to yugioh and reaffirms that whoever creates the card holds the rights over it's card game counterpart, so Konami doesn't have the rights to Firewall.

Nobody is citing sources, which makes it questionnable, but from as far as I can tell, most of what is said is basic intelletual property 101. It would indeed be weird for konami to have rights over the franchise when they are contractants for shueisha/NAS, which is a known facts since Shueisha owns the original manga and by extension, the franchise, by virtue of it having been a shonen jump series.

I've seen the case of number I don't remember : Shock master being a previous case similar to firewall, where the card took forever to get banned because it was an anime card, so i find some credence to those claims.

Not exactly the same thing, but not unrelated : Kazuki Takashi holds the rights to the artwork of that magi magi gal XYZ monster's that we still don't have in the TCG, and we don't have it because takashi has publicly stated he refuse to let them import it if they censor it's artwork (which they are forced to, at least so far). This much is written in the wikia.

It also explains things such as Yuri straight up deciding to advertise the Ancient gear structure deck in the anime, because Konami sure as shit doesn't have any rights over what happens in the anime.

Edited by Yumil on May 16th 2019 at 5:05:32 PM

Number 16: Shock Master was released as a promo card in a book published by Shueisha in Japan, and was a Jump promo in the West. It is a known issue that Shueisha acts as a bottleneck for the reprinting and Western release of several cards, before Konami eventually gets permission to work with some of them. (Which is why Europe gets a separate TCG format without any cards bundled with the manga before a reprint months later, and why it took Chaos Emperor Dragon a reprint as a Jump promo to get its errata and unban in the TCG. Shueisha, and by extension Viz, get first dibs on any such cards.)

That provides some reason to believe that companies other than Konami have some degree of control over what happens to cards IRL.

Edited by burnpsy on May 16th 2019 at 11:06:31 AM

That is the case. While people like to blame Konami for Dueling Network being shut down, it was NAS, a company involved in the production of the anime series, that issued the Cease and Desist order.

Also, according to this interview with the producers of the Arc-V anime, the "godfather of pendulum summoning" is an editor of V-Jump.

Speaking of Pendulum, I noticed that it was absent among the summoning styles used when Yusei was calling up his new dragon...

...then again, that shouldn't be much of a shock.

It's gonna be a long time before they do something with the Pendulums again, won't it?

Considering the new rules massively nerfed them, yeah, I'd say so.

It feels like they are trying hard to forget it for now.

In the anime, who knows.

In the OCG/TCG, that's for another topic, but they're still printing new Pendulum cards (Mythical Beasts, new Abyss Actors, Endymion), so the mechanic hasn't been abandoned.

I'm going to assume autocorrect?