Manga/ The Promised Neverland

Possible. It's Norman we're talking about; learning the Demon language one way or another must have been a piece of cake for him. Besides, how would he give Aish his orders otherwise?

Anyway, I really liked the little details we learned about Demon society in this chap. Like the fact even they have their own standards of "beauty". And yeah, no wonder all the children in the farms were perfectly cute and healthy… They'd better be…

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Explains why he had pets as well. Demons aren't particularly picky about what they eat even with humans as their main food, like the first ones introduced one was hungry and had to settle for nearby animals since can't eat the merch.

Eat dogs and other such animals is how you get the ones that walk on four legs.

I do want to know exactly why Snakes were shown with an X below them in that chapter depicting the different forms they take base on what they eat.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I mean, Norman's the guy whose reaction to learning about a way that demons don't have to be obligate anthropophages is "nah I'd rather just do a genocide." Certainly every intelligent demon is complicit in atrocity, but they need to be if they want to continue existing as thinking beings and that applies to plenty of human characters as well. Norman has two basic options for overthrowing the system so the atrocities can stop and goes with the one that involves more murder.

It's such an ignorant thing to do when the demons love their children too

I can understand Norman's position as things stand now. The real test will be when Ray and Emma get back, being able to pull off what Emma wants to do, how will he react.

Because it's pretty obvious most of his people are still going to say "genocide" to that question, because it's not about what's logical for them, and they (understandably from what they've seen and been through) are unwilling/unable to see the demons as anything other than terrible monsters they want revenge on.

Incidentally, when Ray and Emma do get back, I'm curious how many people in the audience are still going to be "genocide is the most logical/moral choice". Because those people are obviously still going to exist.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 21st 2019 at 2:42:39 PM

I do not thank you for putting a Sting song in my head.

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Oh yeah, I can certainly understand and sympathize with their desire to murder every one of the bastards who raised them for slaughter, especially since most of them haven't had the chance Emma did to see the demon families and internalize them as people rather than monsters. Double especially for Norman's escaped lab rat mini-boss squad and the veterans of Goldy Pond. I can do all that and still think it's the wrong choice. Moral complexity, whee.

Even if the others did see what Emma saw, I don't think it would matter to them. Emma is being called out as weird for her position here, with good reason.

One of the humans have already resorted to eating demons than no reason other than some misguided sense of payback.

They are losing the moral highground ever so slowly.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

The flaw in Norman's plan isn't so much that the demons are natural enemies of humans, but that he's not realistic about the cost. Humans generally deal with apex predators by becoming too dangerous to bother, and if the demons don't have to feed on humans to maintain their sentience, they won't be desperate enough to attack a dangerous tribe of humans. If they are desperate, however, all bets are off, and while the humans may very well win, they will suffer heavy casualties in the process.

And that's assuming ____ would let things go his way to begin with.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Don and Gilda are just too naive to try and play games with Norman. They were so focused on Aish that they totally overlooked Hayato just because he seems harmless. Heck, I bet he put Aish in the team partially to distract them.

Also, I really can't feel any sympathy for Aish and her grudge. She literally admits she knew her father ate human meat, but that didn't matter to her since "for her, he was a father", a total Moral Myopia, and a particularly disgusting one at that.

Hey guy's gotta eat, lest he becomes a non-sentient animal.

Honestly I don't fault the demons for eating humans that much.

Plus Norman's followers are comprised of a pack of yes-men & deranged maniacs.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 21st 2019 at 3:41:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Eh, that's just predator-prey interactions for you. It's inherently amoral. Most things that put humans in the prey position usually don't address that, which is part of what makes this conflict so interesting.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 22nd 2019 at 10:24:44 AM

It's nott, because cognitive bias are pretty common thing in people in general.

It's why some older cultures practiced ritualistic cannibalism or human sacrifice.

Fact is the only way her father could remain her father is by eating humans, and it's precisely because the Nobility ensured a system where there wasn't anything but their way. Him giving up the job itself to raise her is already a sign he'd do what he could to raise her, but he still needed human meat to survive and not become a mindless monster that eats her or their dogs.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Exactly. Though the demons are antagonists, I don't hate them because it's just Circle of Life stuff. It's not like the children are vegetarians themselves. The ones I see as villains are the humans who serve the demons.

I think work with the demons is more appropriate. Since they actively cultivate girls in vulnerable positions to serve them.

Meanwhile Ratri and his crew actively benefit from the system and happily screw over all the people involved to enjoy their place in High Demon Society. Humans and lower class Demons alike.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 21st 2019 at 3:49:00 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

If it's not wrong for a predator to kill it's prey, then surely it's also not wrong for the prey to strike back. If this really is an amoral fight for survival then killing demons at every opportunity is only logical. Every demon killed is one less mouth that demand being fed human flesh.

Oh, definitely. While demons and humans are caught in a fight for survival, those guys have no such excuse. They're just scum.

Edited by Shlugo_the_great on Jun 21st 2019 at 12:52:48 PM

Correct, there'snot wrong with prey trying to protect itself.

I want to say more but I'm on my phone right now so it will have to wait

Edited by LSBK on Jun 21st 2019 at 5:56:25 AM

I mean thats why we get a new pact formed and have Demon Jesus give them her blood. They'll have to adapt to not eating people but if things work out they'll accept that because they'll have survived and eventually future generations won't ever need to eat them.

Then they can domesticate normal animals for food.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 21st 2019 at 3:59:50 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I have to say tho, some of the stuff the demons do to humans go way beyond just grim necessity. The total disregard they seem to have for beings they know are sentient is just outputting. I don't think Norman was necessarily wrong when he said that even if they could stop being reliant on humans, they wouldn't just because they like the taste so much.

I mean it's not really, many humans have a disregard for other non-human life on the same level. Even when we domesticated animals in the current day we see them as pets and don't factor in their intellect.

Which is a shame because Birds and Gorillas have had examples show some to be incredibly intelligent. To the point hey contemplate the meaning of life or afterlife.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 21st 2019 at 4:02:03 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

We don't eat gorillas though.

…At least I think we don't?

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We certainly don't have regard for the environment they live in and humans have poached several to the point of being endangered. Which is why measures are being taken to preserve different species even with the threat of poaching still doing its worse.

And that's a problem that affects a number of animals.

Or the process of finding and mining oil from the ocean or just sonar harm whales, dolphins, and all other sea life. To the point whales and dolphins have to effectively scream to talk to each other.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 21st 2019 at 4:09:38 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Elephants are beautifully intelligent & emotional creatures yet we hunt them & treat them like shit all for our entertainment.

Sure they can't talk but it doesn't change the fact that they are fucking smart social creatures regardless.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 21st 2019 at 4:09:26 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I mean, I'd like to think that if we met a being that we could actually hold a conversation with, we wouldn't just eat it.

Demons know that humans are just as intelligent as them, they just don't give a fuck. They even use their knowledge of human psychology against them, like when they force "mamas" to have a child and then watch as they grow up to be slaughtered. All to break them.

Seriously, out of all the fucked up things in this manga, that one is probably the most fucked up. That shit was dark.