Fate/Grand Order

Just to post this, a list of Servants without Interludes.

I just realize there is a big vague part in the statement regarding the beasts.

It said they are "humanity's challenge" and once overcome "would allow humanity to reach cosmos and explore new territory", right?

Well, the issue is this.

"What definition of "Humanity" is used here?"

Because if "Humanity?" is the criteria, then even as many as one person would qualify for that. A handful as well.

Numbers are left incredibly vague and leaves no reason to assume that all of "mankind" would be involved in this.

I will not be surprised if it turns out that the only survivors will be us, "the last master" and Mash, taking off on the journey together with the Throne of Heroes and its servants, alongside its "records of humanity", to explore the cosmos once we realize that the earth is forever Bleached and that we, through achieving immortality, will keep "Humanity" alive through the memories of it from the journey we all have made so far as we take farewell of the dead earth and continue on into the unknown.

Yes, the Earth is gone.

But "Humanity" still lives.

Even if it might only be two people who survived the ordeal at its conclusion.

Our reward?

Our survival and the bonds we made along the way.

No, that's a pretty dumb interpretation. "You failed, everyone's dead, and humanity is effectively doomed!" is an awful ending.

Is there some dark content of the internet where people compete to find the edgiest interpretation for what could happen?

Only the Servants as reps of a dead human history surviving the end of the world sounds like peak nu-TM.

Not "Humanity", "Mankind".

There is a difference between them.

That said, there is no "Reset-Button" so far, if the singularities are any indication, so resurrecting the planet might not be possible, unless someone decides to take every single grail in existence and make one giant wish with them to restart the world from scratch or something.

And we all know how fickle wishing from the grails can be, so...

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What's "nu-TM"?

Edited by TitanJump on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:58:25 PM

No, humanity is doomed, because two people is unrecoverable, and you'll get killed or something eventually. This is edginess for edginess's sake and garbage writing.

Is this a difficult literary concept to grasp: a Well-Intentioned Extremist who thinks there is no way to solve the threat or given problem, and is defeated somewhere around the midpoint of a story or end of a prior arc, is almost always proved wrong by the end of the story or (if the threat they fear has yet to show itself) the ending is left ambiguous but optimistic. There is no point at putting it at this stage in the story just to accept their words at face value and give up.

And in more meta-commentary, we're looking at another half a year or more to get the two remaining lostbelts and whatever the final stage of the arc is. Three years of story since this was first hinted at would make for a very bad place to say "screw you, all the work you did is for nothing". There's generally a reason heroic RP Gs don't end on "you failed and everyone is doomed".

Edited by RainehDaze on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:06:42 PM

Titan's idea feels like the exact the kind of ending Nasu always goes for. The usual Bittersweet Ending where something big was irreversibly lost but the future looks very hopeful, with the protagonist now understanding themselves as part of an universe much bigger than what they initially imagined.

Humanity abandoning the Earth has always being framed as an optimistic and adventurous journey into metaphorical adulthood and I have no idea where you got anything edgy out of this. It feels like calling One Piece edgy, honestly.

New Type-Moon, as called by fans who believe the core of Nasu's writing somehow changed too much with the years.

Edited by Comun on Jun 28th 2020 at 11:07:26 AM

Nasu wants to end FGO with the timeline getting pruned so he can shill Extra timeline as being the true path to humanity.

"Everything you did is for nothing and the villain wins and the world is doomed we have to abandon ship with none of the technology or preparation for it" is not optimistic or bittersweet, it's a plain downer ending which might as well be screaming "You failed, loser" again and again. It's trying to phrase the start of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri as positive, rather than a desperate attempt to avoid the inevitable.

I'm not going to engage in bullshit self-delusion to try and convince myself that in any way represents a good or satisfactory ending.

"Oh hey the entirety of part 1 was pointless. Also the entirety of EoR was extra pointless. And everything you did in part 2 was pointless! Don't you feel like this has been a good way to spend five years of your time. Lol everyone and everything you tried to save is dead anyway fuck you."

Oh but we'd get a story we can engage in literary wank over about how symbolic it is and isn't it great to have another crappy allegory for childhood—no, it isn't; we already had one of those with Babylonia, we don't need another added to history's literary dross about how it sucks to get old but "isn't it great to know more" (no, it really isn't, can authors stop with this nonsense already?)

Edited by RainehDaze on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:15:54 PM

"Leaving the Earth Bleached" is not "giving up"

"Leaving the Lostbelts and the Alien God alone without doing anything about them" would be "giving up".

Why?

Because the Lostbelts and the Alien God are still clinging to the Earth when Humanity is supposed to leave it after defeating the Beasts.

So in order to achieve the "Golden Ending", the Earth needs to be abandoned for a optimistic future beyond it instead and a good reason to do so, would be to leave it Bleached once the Lostbelts and the Alien God has been dealt with.

There is nothing "edgy" about that.

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"Saving the Earth" has never been the end-game goal here for us.

"Saving Humanity" is the end-game goal.

And that can be done even if the earth has been Bleached.

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It's "Mankind" that would be mostly gone.

"Humanity" = Quality.

"Mankind" = Quantity.

There is a big difference there.

Even if the numbers are reduced, the concept of "Humanity" can still be saved.

Edited by TitanJump on Jun 28th 2020 at 5:20:50 PM

There is literally everything edgy about the good ending being "the world is dead and consequently most of humanity because there doesn't exist a way for most people to deal with this". Twisting yourself into knots to explain how because of symbolism and deeper meaning this is actually a good thing is ridiculous.

You're getting edgier with every edit you make. "Oh it doesn't matter that most people have died because that's not important, there's no quality to that! It's not like all of these billions of people have lives and hopes and people they care about! Nope, my SYMBOLISM is more important!"

How the fuck can you claim something is a good ending if billions and billions of people are dead (out of a maximum population of only billions of people) but you get to waffle about how this is "expanding beyond the earth and isn't that great".

Edited by RainehDaze on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:22:14 PM

(Had to look up what "edgy" even means first.)

Here is a "Edgy" ending, for reference.

"Everyone died in the end."

That is the "edgy" ending.

If there are survivors, hope and a future, it's not "edgy".

Plain and simple.

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Edited by TitanJump on Jun 28th 2020 at 5:24:59 PM

Calm down, we're arguing whether or not the metaphorical "moving away from your parents house for college" ending will happen or not, not if it's a good ending or bad one. It's still way too early for that.

If the story manage to surprise me after LB 7, then I shall be surprised.

Agreed.

We just have to wait and see where this story goes first.

"Billions of people died, up to everything except two people, but this is supposed to be considered a good thing" is an edgy ending. It's edgy because it confuses darkness for darkness sake with any sort of depth or good writing.

Particularly by ignoring the genre connotations and presentation of the end story.

On that front all you've said is "I believe the antagonists and trust the absolute truth of their perspective", which is more Genre Blind than anything in an RPG.

Edited by RainehDaze on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:31:51 PM

Ok seriously quit whining about this. We get that you don’t like the idea of the ending Titan suggested. But being continuously antagonistic about it is just making you look childish.

how would this proposed ending reflect on Lion King and Zeus is what I'm thinking now

like if we get any more instances of rulers trying to leave for space in the next two lostbelts, it's gonna look less inspirational and more like the swamp castle joke from Monty Python and the Holy Grail

I will happily look childish, then, rather than abandoning a conversation halfway through because you don't like criticism of an idea.

QSH would've done it too if he wasn't dissuaded, IIRC.

Raineh, nobody is going to take your point seriously if you're going to scream just to get your point across.

Either simmer down or just bow out if it's too much for you.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jun 28th 2020 at 11:48:27 AM

No, Shi Huang was so perfectly satisfied with things the way they were that he'd drop a satellite on any prospect of change. They're full on a "stability over progress" guy until Jing Ke showed him a smartphone

Edited by Comun on Jun 28th 2020 at 11:55:07 AM

So anyway, who do y'all think will get an interlude?

Given that there is no screaming involved—sarcasm, sure—and my points on why it's presumptive to even start considering this as the likely outcome keep getting ignored anyway, then perhaps we can stop having posts on what I should say or that I need to calm down?†

I mean way, way before that—the fact that his NP is basically a space wall and it didn't get further than that. Wasn't that because Hanako convinced him that there was nothing worthwhile out there? I know she wanted the unchanging state of everything.

Someone that doesn't need one.

† It really makes no sense to conclude what's impossible or possible or not until we find out why the hell Daybit has, by all appearances, gone to find one of the Aristotles, for an IC reason beyond story structure.

Edited by RainehDaze on Jun 28th 2020 at 5:02:55 PM

No, Hinako only got there in 2018 and the space wall was already in effect on the 17th century at max. I personally believe the world was already conquered by the 2nd century before Christ, considering our moth is not one to waste any time.

After I saw that list of Servants without interludes, I think it'd be nice for Salieri to get an interlude.

also I guess a Shimousa Servant or Murasaki might get one for oblique Ashiya/Seimei/Mandala Hell setup sometime down the line

Mami@ Jeanne d arc so that her first skill turn into a charisma skill.

A man can dream.