How painful are these strange bullets?

These bullets can either pass through solid matter or get absorbed by it.

Either way it doesn't cause visible damage even at a microscale.

Now if you fire them into a person's body, it will inflict tremendous pain. The bigger the caliber the more pain it packs.

Now I was wondering is it a real possibility that a person die from having their nerves overstimulated?

I know death from Taser is a real possible but this isn't firing electric currents so much as it is firing pain inducing pellets of energy.

EDIT: Shoot I forgot to edit the title.

edited 31st Oct '13 8:02:58 AM by Worlder

It requires a lot to do in a person simply through stimuli overload. That's why the Agony Beam is never lethal.

Now if this stuff is for non-lethal purposes e.g. police then that's some scary shit to face against.

edited 31st Oct '13 8:10:41 AM by MajorTom

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."

Yes these rounds are used by a superhero organization modeling itself around a police force.

Also these bullets are also unusual in that the bullets only fired from weapons belonging to a certain kind of limited shape shifting super soldier. These super soldiers also had to undergo special training in order fire non-lethal rounds, due the default state being deadly weapons of war.

edited 31st Oct '13 8:26:57 AM by Worlder

Sufficient pain can however cause organic damage from muscle cramping and overexertion. And enough pain for long enough will do bad things to your cardiovascular system.

Reality is for those who lack imagination.

There may also be nerve damage or psychosomatic injuries. Expect numbness or uncontrolled shaking from repeated exposures.

Do the bullet's pass through bones? If so, the brain may be at risk. The nerve tissues of the brain and spinal cord are different than the ones in the rest of the body. They don't feel pain and they don't heal naturally.

Severe and sudden pain can indeed cause someone to die. It is very possible to kill a man by nailing them in the testicles with a lot of force for example.

Somehting like reflexogenic cardiact arrest or something similar.

If it can directly affect the nervous system it has the potential to kill someone by disrupting it.

edited 31st Oct '13 7:29:23 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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^ That testicles example is because there are also massive arteries and veins in the same region that can rupture with the force of impact. (And a shattered pelvis from impact to that area can also sever those arteries.) The simple neurological stimuli of being hit in the balls isn't sufficient to cause death on its own. (Fainting maybe depending on the individual's level of pain tolerance but not death.)

There are even neurological failsafes in the nervous system that prevent damaging overload levels of pain stimuli. It's why some injuries Overkill they may be aren't felt anywhere near what the injury looks like implies. (Though sometimes that's actual neurological damage speaking.)

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."

Actually the neurological effect is what is causing the cardiac arrest. It has nothing to do with a shattered pelvis or cut arteries in this case. The body is very imperfect. The hard shot to the pills or in one earlier this year a guy getting his nuts crushed by hand results in cardiac arrest from the excessive pain.

There are not any "fail safes" the human body is not wired up house with circuit breaker. Even then a circuit breaker can fail and send an excessive charge on down the line. You can easily have a pain overload and pass out, bite your tongue, puke, lose your balance and fall over, or any number of other nasty effects.

edited 1st Nov '13 1:56:54 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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Are you certain of that? I'd like to see a medical paper that proves that. Especially in your mentioned case so that it rules out anything pre-conditioned such as heart disease/arrhythmia/etc.

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."

Actually, the body does have a circuit breaker. It's called unconciousness. Professional torturers and interrogators have to be very careful not to inflict so much pain the subject simply passes out. Not only that, but pain can be overcome or ignored. There are many instances of people being shot and not realizing it due to adrenaline and focus on their goal. Over stimulate a nerve and it goes numb as it uses up its neurotransmitters. That's why injured people go numb.

Now, it IS possible to die from pain. How? Shock. Simply shock. The pain to the system is so severe that it causes the heart to spasm, work less and less efficiently, and then stop. Someone can be in a car accident, have minor injuries, and still die from shock. They might not even hurt all that badly. They've simply been so overstressed that their body can't maintain homeostasis.

Now, as for your intangible pain bullets... they aren't bullets if they're intangible. A bullet imparts kinetic energy to inflict trauma directly or indirectly through the delivery of micro explosives (exploding bullets, yay!). This sounds more like an agonybeam deal. However, if they go through people, what's to stop them from going through the target, hitting innocents behind them, and the people behind them, and the people behind them, etc?

Fine make it dissipate on impact with the surface of an object with sufficient mass.

Tom: Very certain. It has been recorded. Your testicles simply don't possess enough blood bearing vessels to make you bleed out like that even if they are crushed. You can survive it but it can also kill you. If I meant shattering of the pelvis and arterial bleeding i would have said so.

The article I was talking about was some woman in China got into a fight with a local store keeper. She grabbed him by the pills and started squeezing. He went down and she just kept squeezing. It gave him a heart attack and he died. No other known ailments or health problems and she wasn't beating him just crushing his balls.

Found what I was looking for.

It is possible but like everything else in your body it is not perfect or reliably predictable barring other factors like hydration for example. So constant and persistent pain can indeed kill you if it keeps firing off that nerve.

Unconsciousness is not a circuit breaker it is just a small mercy when it comes to reaction. If you are unconscious it is hard to scream. The nerves are still firing from whatever they are doing to you and as soon as you wake up you will feel the after effects of it. The effects of pain and other neurological events are still happening. Also overcoming and ignoring pain is both impractical and very imperfect in itself. Certain kinds of pain simply can't be ignored. The kinds of people who "ignore pain" are usually drugged up to their eyeballs or swimming in so much adrenaline that they simply don't care. But adrenaline is at best a short term bio chemical in your body and drugs that cause that effect often have a huge number of side effects.

edited 1st Nov '13 10:30:15 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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The chinese thing is a phenomenon. A freak occurrence. Googling further, I found articles of men surviving their testicles being DESTROYED by squeezing and crushing. So no. The crushing didn't kill the man. Instead the SHOCK killed him, which is what I said above.

I already pointed out you can survive testicular destruction or damage but it still very much has a chance to kill you without blood loss. Just like someone can survive having a 3 foot long chunk of metal shot out through the top of their head by a piece of dynamite they were tamping going off or Wenseslao Moguel aka "El fusilado" survived multiple close range shots to the torso and a gunshot to the head.

If by shock you mean sudden drop in blood pressure leading to the brain death then yes. If you mean shock in a different manner then no.

His shock was brought on by his heart stopping. His heart stopped because some crazy woman kept consistently crushing his balls. The mechanism for the cause of the heart attack is pretty well understood.

Here dig into this.

Vagal Inhibition which can cause sudden death.

I would say having your testicals slowly crushed after getting into arguement with someone definetly nails that.

This is also one of believed causes for post arrest deaths. A high tension situation coupled with injury. The condition seems to affect people who are heavily intoxicated on alchohol or drugs.

edited 1st Nov '13 6:40:35 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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