By making the Wonderbolts even worse. Duh.

It's a route this show has done more than once: doing over a previous episode's lesson or situation with the intention to "fix" something. Results vary, but are mostly negative, since this is a bad place to start your narrative from.

Hearthsbreakers seems like a pretty good fix for Apple Family Reunion, but that might be because they aren't very similar and it probably wasn't intended as a fix.

What, then, has been fixed? Because I'm not seeing anything being "fixed" as in "made better". I'm seeing a story already done before being done again but worse.

I'm not even sure if this was meant to be a "fix" as it doesn't feel as though it's meant to be a rebuttal. It's the same story with the same contention that drives it but it has the same ending.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 19th 2019 at 12:12:35 PM

What I meant to say in that post about Cutie Marks is that their LORE is G4 exclusive.

Ponies have always had dem marks, but they never had any importance. They're just decals to distinguish each pony and print on the side of the merch.

So if the CMC continue to feature in future gens, they can easly remove the Cutie Mark aspect of their friendship.

The leaked concept for G5 didn't seem to give cutie marks any kind of importance, iirc.

As for Luna and Celestia, even Cadance, they certainly left a mark, so Hasbro might use them in future gens, but we might see them re-imagined as members of the three races, rather than winged unicorns/alicorns (another concept that so far is G4 exclusvie).

Yeah, that about sums up my thoughts on "Rainbow Falls". I liked that episode better when it was called "Wonderbolts Academy".

I prefer Cutie Marks (or "symbols" as they were called G1-G2) as just being birthmarks, but it was nice for G4 to give a reason behind them for once.

...It's probably best to see the two similarities as not being creative.

I actually noticed a oddity: this season has four stories apropos to the Equestria Games.

I am actually confused as to why there is an overarching storyline about the Equestria Games. Is it really worthy of it since overarching storylines aren't usual?

Edit: And then there's the multicolored sheen in dash's eyes and the pin she gets. It's foreshadowing but of what? Is it even vital?

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 19th 2019 at 4:41:36 AM

There were three episodes about the GGG in season 1. I don't think it's that unusual.

Although I do recall a poster here being really mad that the actual Games episode wasn't what they were expecting.

Edit: And then there's the multicolored sheen in dash's eyes and the pin she gets. It's foreshadowing but of what? Is it even vital?

I'm not sure if you noticed yet, but each episode with the sheen involves the Mane 6 having to confront a dilemma related to their Element.

Edited by storyyeller on Jan 19th 2019 at 6:29:29 AM

Nope. It's a big dud. We never get to see the actual Games. Instead... well, wait till you get there, and you'll see.

See, that's true but only one of those stories are not about setting it up or ending it. With the Equestria Games, we actually have three stories that are not about the beginning or the end. Heck, including "Games Ponies Play", we have five about the Equestria Games. Again, is the Equestria Games really that worthy of an overarching storyline considering we have Princess Sparkles and the magical gizmo from the tree of Harmony?

Oh, and yes, I have noticed that about the sheen. I've even deduced (with the logic of a Superb Solicitor) that it's apropos to the magical gizmo though mostly with thematic, doylist logic.

It's simply that if you don't have the magical sheen (which would be so easy to get rid of), there's no real sign that that over-arching storyline is moving at all. We still know nothing about it ever since the two-parter. No stories about it have been seen yet. If you don't use thematic logic, these things are there and that's it.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 19th 2019 at 4:14:33 AM

No, the Equestria Games plot was absolutely not worth a five episode arc, and yes, it did detract from the locked box subplot, which could have used the extra attention.

We did get to see the Games, just not a lot of it. But then again, just showing the games would have been boring unless a disaster happened or something, since the audience has little reason to care about them.

As far as the subtlety of the sheen goes, I don't think it's a big issue. FIM had historically never been big on continuity. It's more of a little easter egg for observant fans.

and another clarification is that, the show frames things in a way where you don't want to see anything more happen to the characters, which worked for me at first but them still framing it that way makes me wonder if there is room to imagine Offscreen Karma. I can think of ways for it to happen with some details of the episodes and movie changed but not with the episodes and movie exactly as is.

Look, there's a reason noone is responding to your posts any more. Regardless of whatever merit the discussion originally had, you've been pushing it so incessantly that everyone is just tired of the topic.

Eh, you can still craft the actual Equestria Games to be entertaining. After all, Ponyville is in the Equestria Games so there's a reason for to care and buggers still watch the real Olympics for the feats of athletic mastery so it can still be entertaining.

Also, it's not the subtlety but that it's the only sign. It would be less problematic if there was more then the sheen because with no sheen, there is no reason to put it together with the magical gizmo.

It's foreshadowing but it's almost nonexistent and still has no Watsonian rationale to come to such a conclusion so far.

again, I at first was confused and replied to people not replying to me, I may have forgot but that may have been what pushed my posts into being too much.

Now two moderators are clarifying that it's really, really, really hazardous to keep on conversing about this.

If this isn't enough to get you to stop, I'm going to break the glass and ask Meta Four or another moderator to boot you from this forum.

Also, it's not the subtlety but that it's the only sign. It would be less problematic if there was more then the sheen because with no sheen, there is no reason to put it together with the magical gizmo.

The way I see it, seasons 2 and 3 had no foreshadowing towards the overarching arc at all outside of the opener and finale. Season 1 sort of did (since Twilight's friendship letters proved instrumental in Discord's defeat), but only in hindsight. Prior to season 4, FIM didn't really do continuity, so even having minor foreshadowing is more than you would expect.

It's not like the later seasons did much more. Starlight was only foreshadowed with a couple of Freeze-Frame Bonus background cameos, so that's actually less than they did in season 4. I think the Pillars were the first time they actually shoved it in the audience's face, and a lot of people complained about how unsubtlely the stories were shoehorned in, especially in the campfire episode.

Incidentally, I loved the myth arc of the seventh season the most of all their attempts. The major complain I have is lobied at Campfire Tales.

Rockhoof, Mistmane and Flash Magnus were done a diservice by having their stories shoved together in an admittedly really cute big sis episode.

Those three shoudl've been spread out during the first half of the season.

Also, Somnambula should've been given a voice in her episode. The story is really neat, and we missed out on her magnificent voice by having the old guy narrate everything.

And so did Rockhoof for that matter.

But anyway, I much rather they at least attempt to throw forshadowing and build up to the finales that they started with 4, however minimum it might be, rather than go back to the format of seasons 1 to 3.

Edited by MrSeyker on Jan 19th 2019 at 9:30:46 AM

I'm off to bed now so here is the most succinct version of what I'm trying to utter: if there's no sheen, then there would be almost literally no way to put the magical gizmo and what happened together. Yet it's the only sign of the over-arching storyline being moved at all. With no sheen, how you would be able to see what happened as nothing more then the ordinary? Nothing actually changed because of the sheen.

It seems so...mildly intrusive.

The sheen isn't supposed to DO anything; it is a visual representation of a moment of realization about their talents. Generally, the point seems to be that they learn to spread their elements to others as well.

I'm evidently not communicating my point correctly. Let's drop it for now, shall we?

So, what's for today?

Three's a Crowd..

(Reads blurb)

No...no...

(Imagine me doing this gif, it's the last one here: aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Ryunosuke_Naruhodo_-_Sprite_Gallery )

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 20th 2019 at 6:31:39 AM

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