Disney/Pixar In General

Sure. But it is not Disney who made the rules, they just take advantage of it. So the focus shouldn't be on Disney but on this rules which doesn't even consider animated movies.

I'm not sure that's necessarily true. We do see that Gothel apparently leaves the tower every day to do... something. Plus, she seems to have some source of revenue to go to the market and buy food. I got the impression that she does have some sort of social life outside of the tower, just one that Rapunzel's not privy to. Which makes her all the more hypocritical, if she is going outside and enjoying the perks of eternal youth while denouncing the outside world to Rapunzel at the same time.

Edited by DrDougsh on Oct 15th 2018 at 7:05:43 AM

I mean that's what happened with Frozen. The Snow Queen was being worked on on and off for 70 years until people said "screw it just get a script done in under a year with all the current 2013 trends kids love online, and make a good musical number we can write around it." Again, it depends on the situation.

Tying into that, is there any unfinished Disney project that you guys would, on paper at least, love to see get released?

I want to see a legitimate release for Redux Riding Hood - which is finished and has been for years. Possibly also the other fairy tale parody shorts produced at the same time that are still unreleased.

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."

There was a project called Search for Mickey Mouse where Minnie would go through Disney movies in order to find Mickey who went missing. I assume the project was canned for being too much like Kingdom Hearts.

They were going to make the fourth novel in the Discworld series into a movie, but they discovered the rights come in a package deal and couldn't afford to buy the rights to ALL the books.

I believe that was intended to be the 50th animate feature.

Personally, I'd love to see parts of Kingdom of the Sun animated. Snuff Out The Light looks too beautiful from even just the pencil animations. Not to mention Eartha Kitt is someone who inspires me. Sad that I was too young to understand who she was when she was alive.

I also have my own project I'd kill to pitch to Disney. Maybe two.

Edited by InkDagger on Oct 15th 2018 at 4:28:37 AM

The Search for Mickey Mouse was indeed supposed to be their 50th animated feature film but it was also during their experimental, unsuccessful era before Iger took over the company, and I suppose they couldn't afford to produce such a grand scale of a movie. Instead, that claim was given to Tangled. I assume there were other reasons involved in shelving it like as you said it being too similar to Kingdom Hearts without the Final Fantasy characters.

Edited by kyun on Oct 15th 2018 at 4:31:36 AM

>I suppose they couldn't afford to produce such a grand scale of a movie. >Instead, that claim was given to Tangled.

Tangled was literally so goddamn expensive for Disney. I can even put things into reference!

• Beauty and the Beast - $25 million
• Aladdin -$28 Million
• Hunchback - $100 million
• Tarzan - $120 million (most expensive for its time as I recall)
• Atlantis: The Lost Empire - $90-120 million (the number has been disputed)
• Treasure Planet - $140 million
• Emperor's New Groove - $100 million
• Tangled - $260 million
• Frozen - $150 million

And even THEN Tangled didn't even use the complex animation engine designed to make the CGI look like a painting.

Well, yes, but the extra-money paid off because it was mostly used for software which Disney is still using. It is kind of like Titanic, which was also crazy expensive, but even if it hadn't been one of the highest grossing movie of all time, the tank they build for the movie has since then be used for a number of other movie projects.

The Search for Mickey would be interesting to check out (and in fairness it's hardly like Kingdom Hearts is Disney's one significant Massively Multiplayer Crossover) plus it would finally give us a Disney Animated Canon instalment built primarily around the classic Disney cast.

I admit to also being interested in some of the discarded Bambi projects. Not only was a Bambi's Children adaptation planned during the 50s, but it seems during the 80s, Thumper was to practically get his own sub franchise, with a film and Disney Afternoon series planned.

I also wonder how the Fantasia franchise would have continued as Walt planned.

Search for Mickey Mouse would've been the first Disney animated film focused on Mickey and Friends as most of the main characters in a three-act story, Mickey's appearance in the Sorceror's Apprentice and the shorts from the compilation films notwithstanding.

I suppose The Three Caballeros sorta counts as while it's a package film, Donald Duck is the basis for most of the material, including the framing device.

I think the problem with making an engaging 3-act structure with the Mickey crew is that they need to have a legitimate flaw to make it interesting and most of the flaws they have NOW aren't very... interesting. Donald is probably the most 'flawed' but his flaw (anger management) is rarely played for plot or drama and more played for laughs. Hell, I can only think of a few times where Mickey actually had a flaw and none of them were particuarly great or engaging.

Otherwise, its just a 24-min Saturday Morning Cartoon stretched to movie length.

Well Disneytoons did make the odd movie devoted to them, at least two revolved around Goofy.

I mean you have a point. It's telling that the best story they could come up with is one where Mickey does not control the conflict.

Who says that he does have to? That was never really the role of Mickey in the first place. He was always the one who had to deal with more or less crazy situations.

But one way or another, the worth of Mickey, Donald and Goofy is that they are timeless and can be squeezed into every story you want without a lot of trouble. I don't think that they are truly movie material in the sense of a high-budget Disney movie.

I think this is the folly of Disney milking so many of their franchises, since while so many are iconic characters, only the odd few like Winnie the Pooh are iconic personalities (as in you can put them in tons of stories and they practically write themselves).

The classic Disney characters are memorable but mostly for short wacky stories than grand films the animated films are known for, and even then it is glaring how few involved Mickey himself, especially later on. He wasn't even as funny as a reactor as Donald, Goofy and Pluto were. As said you can see some later projects trying to give them more appeal but obviously they have to twist the premise around a bit for them to stick out (the new Mickey short have a much more oddball depiction while the Goof Troop series and films gave Goofy a much deeper premise).

Despite my interest in the Bambi projects I admit this is also likely what became a hindrance. Bambi and his cast weren't really iconic for their personality depth (besides being "cute"). The midquel tried making things more character driven while sticking loyal to the first film, but since the latter was a visual piece primarily, it was obvious some liberties had to be taken.

Edited by Psi001 on Oct 17th 2018 at 7:34:05 PM

Yeah, Mickey and the gang are made more for shorts and even television series. And that is not bad at all, since that is what they were created for in the first place. However, with things like the Three Musketeers I do think they could at least carry a direct to video feature.

Sure. Those features were always fun.

But frankly, I mostly want more House of Mouse. I would give something for a Hugh budget House of Mouse feature.

Once/Twice Upon a Christmas was probably as close as we got to that.

Disney TV Animation News uploaded the Disney Digital Network ID and the description mentions Legend of The Three Caballeros and Monsters Inc The Series.

Edited by brb1006 on Oct 17th 2018 at 11:18:28 AM

Can someone tell me why Elsa/Anna as a pairing is popular enough to have monthly writing prompts, challenges and contests, and completely overshadow canon pairings?

Edited by lalalei2001 on Oct 17th 2018 at 12:38:55 PM

The Protomen enhanced my life.

Because Elsa is easily subtextually read as a lesbian but the lack of any other female characters in Frozen besides her own sister results in high incest shipping. That's basically it.