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Rinsankajugin HIIIHOOO!!! from XT, Oinotna Nas Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: I know
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#96901: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:56:56 AM

A giant ball of spirit energy, so I'm sure the Spirit Bomb/Genki Dama still falls under that. Genki is spirit energy, Ki is essentially chakara, and Magic is whatever the hell it wants to be. People have been describing the revelation similarly to how Nen works in HXH, though I wouldn't know since I haven't checked that series out.

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Sep 20th 2019 at 9:59:02 AM

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#96902: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:59:18 AM

Like I said at the bottom of last page, Genki is the most basic form of energy found in all matter, it's not spirit energy (otherwise you wouldn't be able to use the sun and planet itself to fuel a Genki Dama). It's like vibration energy at the atomic level, or something like that.

Rinsankajugin HIIIHOOO!!! from XT, Oinotna Nas Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: I know
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#96903: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:07:43 AM

Eh, I guess it can be considered a retcon or something. I wonder, is Toriyama is still doing an outline, or is Toyble doing this arc by himself?

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Rinsankajugin HIIIHOOO!!! from XT, Oinotna Nas Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: I know
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#96904: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:15:57 AM

Sorry for the double post, but the translation is out and make more sense than what people are saying.

Spirit Control is Chi. It honestly feels like fan translators over complicate words, the official translation makes it seem a bit more simple.

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Sep 20th 2019 at 10:19:21 AM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#96905: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:27:22 AM

Gohan, Goten and Trunks aren't full blooded saiyans tho, they think like humans. That's pretty much how Vegeta manages to keep up.

Also, betting Meerus is an angel from one of the gone Universes.

Edited by Eriorguez on Sep 20th 2019 at 5:27:38 PM

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#96906: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:37:54 AM

Yeah, a lot of what was in the original post seems like wild conjecture. The chapter itself is a bit different. It only states that teleportation, creating clones, and growing big are all techniques developed through ki control, and that makes a lot more sense than tying them to "Genki". All three are abilities we've seen previously in the series, Goku with teleportation (duh), Tenshinhan with clones (though maybe the Yardrats have a variation that doesn't divide up your strength), and Piccolo with growing giant. Presumably, Vegeta's going to learn something like that.

The thing with Merus is also not as hand-waved away as the initial spoilers implied. Yes, he knows what Ultra Instinct is, but Goku immediately questions how he knows, and Merus has a reason for keeping it a secret. They go into a version of the HTC (instead of 1 day = 1 year, it's 1 day = 3 days), and Merus states that there he'll be able to go all out without anyone "finding out", so it seems he really does have some big secret that we'll learn soon. Maybe Merus is actually an Angel?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#96907: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:50:29 AM

Him being an Angel from one of the missing universes would explain a lot. It's the only way he could know about UI. I'm curious as to what technique Vegeta could learn from the Yardrat-ians(sp) as well. It also looks like the entire gang will be called in to fight the convicts (at least we know Piccolo, Krillin, Gohan, and probably Tien and Roshi will get their time. Not sure about Yamcha, 18 and the kids. The plot won't use the former at all, and they keep finding reasons to keep the latter three out.

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#96908: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:24:30 AM

Wait, hasn't Merus shown up on the cover of one of the volumes in color? I might be remembering wrong, but isn't his skin blue and his hair white?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#96909: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:27:25 AM

Can't remember.

And even if it isn't, who's to say part of his disguise isn't changing his hair and skin colour.

Plus, we know Angels don't die or get erased when the universes do. They just get de-activated. What that means is unclear however, but maybe we'll get a insight into it if Merrus really is an angel.

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#96910: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:31:28 AM

My theory about Merus is less "Merus is specifically an Angel from one of the erased universes", and more "Merus is like a child/teenage Angel from their home planet, wherever that is, and he's run away from home because he wants to be a policeman".

Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#96911: Sep 20th 2019 at 2:16:31 PM

We're getting Kung Fu Panda 3 up in this, aren't we?

It's been 3000 years…
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96912: Sep 20th 2019 at 2:39:55 PM

Is Merus’ name a pun? That would be the real clue, here, since all Angels’ names are alcohol puns.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 20th 2019 at 2:41:20 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#96913: Sep 20th 2019 at 2:41:24 PM

Well this certainly explains how Meru is competent. Cause every Galactic Patrol Officer we’ve seen isn’t qualified to lead a parade much less be a police officer.

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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#96914: Sep 20th 2019 at 2:44:03 PM

[up][up]Serum...?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#96915: Sep 20th 2019 at 3:57:14 PM

Merus' name is apparently a pun on a dried squid snack but it could be a fake name.

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Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#96916: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:36:27 PM

Saw Merus' color art. His skin is blue and his hair is a light green not too far off the Angels.

His Ki is also noted as being unreadable.

Edited by Envyus on Sep 20th 2019 at 5:36:54 AM

Rinsankajugin HIIIHOOO!!! from XT, Oinotna Nas Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: I know
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#96917: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:40:28 PM

Merus is a wine, so...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#96919: Sep 20th 2019 at 5:04:41 PM

Universe 7 is a Crapsack World. Its gods are inept, the Galactic Patrol is inept, for decades its most powerful being was a complete psychopath, and an even more psychotic Eldritch Abomination apparently existed since time immemorial

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#96920: Sep 20th 2019 at 5:44:06 PM

Yeah I'm going with the theory that Merus in an angel from one of the destroyed universes. Because Angels aren't supposed to interfere with mortals, he disguises himself as a Galactic Patrolman and can't use his true power outside the Hyperbolic Time Chamber because otherwise El Grande Padre might notice and the jig will be up.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#96921: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:52:11 PM

Okay I just found these impressive realtistic artwork of DB characters.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3607811

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3609112

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3609114

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3609118

Brrrrh that Jiren & Frieza.

Also fair warning website is NSW.

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Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
Mighty No. 51345
#96922: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:56:02 PM

This does explain goat man's third wish. He needs a communication and exploration network to find suitable planets to eat.

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#96923: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:09:16 PM

He wouldn't need them if he just learned how to sense Ki.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#96924: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:26:36 PM

...does he not know how to do that? I never realized, though his magic powers might give him a suitable substitute for that ability.

Considering he's had a former Frieza soldier as an associate, he might believe he needs a good network to deal with Frieza. Sure, he can just suck the other dry of power, but if Frieza destroys planets before Moro can get to them, that might starve him of energy since I'm assuming planets have a bigger payout than even the strongest warrior.

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#96925: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:54:40 PM

Moro can sense when other people are sensing him, and he can sense the magical signature of Dragon Balls, but he can't sense Ki.


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