Grimm

The End. Gotta say I'm going to miss the show. :'(

Well, although this season didn't end up playing any ballsy moves, it was a fitting finale that didn't betray the show. I wish Bud had shown up though!

I will definitely miss Grimm. My wife and I have followed it since it premiered and it's been one of our favorite shows for the entire time it's aired - almost certainly our favorite on network TV. It's had ups and downs, certainly the show ended up with a much different situation than it began with (and this show will forever go down as making an art form of awkward situations), but it built a cast of extremely likeable characters with real depth. Monroe and Rosalee in particular deserve mention as one of the very few TV relationships I've actually liked - I normally hate a romantic plot tumor, but their pairing added a lot to the show, especially showing another side of Monroe.

It also deserves praise for the extremely good world building. Yeah, it got corny, and yeah, some of the story arcs ended up not going as far as they might have, but this show always aroused curiosity and made you wonder about what's going on "just off the map", the same way when you look at a map of Middle Earth while reading Lot R, you wonder what's really going on in those places Tolkien never visits. The German was awful, but the books and props were awesome and the attention to detail is what sold it.

10/10 would watch a spin off.

Goodbye Grimm. You will be missed.

Finally got to watch the last few episodes, and while there were things left unanswered, I'm okay with the ending. Though I think Blind Love was the best episode this season.

So.....I originally stopped watching the show in season 4 because I couldn't stand it beating up on Juliette any longer, not could I stand the way it doesn't address that Adalind is a freaking rapist. But season 5 dropped on Netflix and I at least wanted to know if they ever addressed the keys.....

Honestly, it is sad to see the show this way. I guess those who watched till the end loved the nonsense they did, but I think it was way stronger in the first season when the focus was smaller, it was more about the Portland Wesen community and the characters were still believable instead of doing weird sh... for the sake of doing weird sh... and creating cheap melodrama.

Also, they really ruined Renard as a character in season 5, didn't they? But then, they wasted the potential they had in the set-up they created in season 1 way earlier.

It is really sad because Grimm could have been something special, but it ended up a run-of-the-mill show whose only saving grace was that at least Monroe and Rosalee's story worked. In fact, they were the best part of the show. The best cliff hanger it ever had wasn't the overblown stuff they did, it was Monroe's father figuring our that Rosalee was a Fuchsbau and then encountering Nick.

I too was very disappointed with what they did with Juliet and Adalind in season 4 and 5. My favourite was around early season 3 when Juliet knew about Nick and the gang just dealt with local Portland issues. The global myth arc stuff with royal families, resistance, black claw etc. was just not well fleshed out and a waste of time.

Yeah, I agree, my favourite was season one when they were still doing monster of the week episodes and we got more and more interesting characters - remember Roddy, and Holly, and Angelina, and Buddy - having fun exploring the new world and season 3 when Juliette was "in the know" and they went on shenanigans like tricking the toad eating lawyer...those were still creative stories. Later on it was the same rehash we have seen in dozens other genre shows.

And the best episodes were nearly always the ones which actually had some relation to an actual story or fairy tale. Once they dropped that angle altogether and just slapped some quote at the beginning the show really lost something.

The later seasons are my favorite. Turning Juliette into an antagonist, completely switching the show's dynamic between Adalind and Nick...it was definitely crazy, but I wouldn't call it nonsense.

My biggest complaint is that they didn't do enough with Trubel. but I only really started watching the show regularly in season 2, so that might have something to do with it.

Plus the love potion episode in the final season is a nigh-masterpiece of comedy all on its own.

Particularly when Hank fell in love with his own reflection.

Seriously, that was some of the best TV I've seen in a long time. Two takes only that took, though of course Hank's actor thought they got it right the first time.

And I liked the little callback of Monroe saying Nick dumped Juliette and him denying it on slightly technical grounds.

Maybe the only other "Lust for someone goes too far and becomes violent" thing almost as good I've seen was an episode of Supernatural where Gluttony shows up and a couple go from making out to...eating each other.

But that wasn't funny....or at least, not as funny.

I wouldn't have minded Juliette's development if anything what happened to her had been her choice. That was the main problem from the get go, the show didn't give her any agency and then, to add insult to injury, felt comfortable to let characters be angry with her about something which at the end of the day THEY did to HER and not the other way around.

Let's take it from the top: First Nick doesn't tell Juliette anything about being a Grimm for ....reasons....even though she ends up in danger multiple times because of it until it is too late and she falls victim to Adalinds attack. Next we have this awful amnesia plot during which Nick is angry for feeling attracted to Renard despite him knowing that it isn't her fault at all but an effect of the "cure" for her coma (and the audience is encouraged to side with Nick on this, even though he even leaves her alone with Renard at one point, which leads to the two nearly raping each other!!!). Put okay, Juliette manages to claw her way out of amnesia and reclaims her life and somehow decides to stick with Nick. This is really the only period in which Juliette was treated with a little bit respect by the writers...until there is the need to cure Nick, which leads to her turning into a Hexenbiest. From this point onward nothing is HER decision and yet the show feels comfortable to condemn her for what she does as a result. Oh, and then they go and kill her and literally torture her into having a new personality and not only are the other characters never making any move to retrieve the original Juliette, they even mention multiple times that they are glad that Eve is on their side. Thanks for nothing, I guess.

The whole thing is just incredible uncomfortable to watch.

Also there is NOTHING funny about rape.

edited 28th Jul '17 4:23:51 AM by Swanpride

Humor is relative, and that's all I'll say to that.

As for the other stuff...Juliette chose to stay a Hexenbiest. Being bad felt good to her. She also chose to give Nick the chance to kill her, and when he didn't take it, chose to try to kill him herself, and plenty more besides.

And i loved the scene where Renard and Juliette are hate making-out with each other, i thought it was wonderfully done.

That is like saying that someone choose to stay a drug addict. Except that drug addicts are usually not tortured in order to supress their original personality.

And the only reason why the "hate making out with each other" scene didn't end up in outright rape was because the fans were very vocal about them NOT wanting Juliette and Renard doing anything with each other while not in their right mind. For once the writers listened. Didn't keep them from allowing Adalind to rape Nick later on and never addressing the fact, because apparently males can't get raped in the Grimm verse.

edited 29th Jul '17 12:45:05 AM by Swanpride