Marvel Cinematic Universe

Reshoots happen all the time. They don't automatically mean anything bad.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 27th 2024 at 6:58:58 AM

The reshoots aren't the problem its the constant staff changes, meaning the same people aren't constantly working on the shows/movies.

Its hard to keep consistency if the before and after reshoots are manned by completely different people.

I wonder if what's going on with all the major reshoots and creator turnovers is that, in any film project, there's always going to be stuff you wish you could change, but eventually you have to accept that you can't afford to do any more with it and just release the best version of what you have now. Except ... if the movie has the potential to gross more than a billion dollars (which the MCU's history shows is a not unrealistic goal), then there's very little you can't afford to do, so long as it seems like it might boost those grosses higher, so everything keeps getting tweaked and reshot and second-guessed.

I agree but I just found it weird to blame it solely on the reshoots and act like they will automatically ruin Deadpool.

I know Justice League made "reshoots" sound like a bad word, but realistically most films do reshoots. It's not usually major overhauls like that case, mostly just fixing continuity issues or line deliveries or stuff like that. That's likely what this is, plus Ryan Reynolds being allowed to alter the lines and ad-lib now that the writers' strike is over.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 27th 2024 at 8:23:33 AM

And the reshoots probably happened because of the Writers' Strike last year.

A lot of times, reshoots are relatively minor things that don't greatly change the film. It's usually something along the lines of "Hey, the editor suggested we needed to cut to a few shots of this character during a dialogue scene, but we never shot those. We should probably get a few shots of that".

That's a good point. The Writer's and Actor's Strike really crippled Ryan's ability to improvise. Now that reshoots are a thing, it's an opportunity to make more jokes that couldn't legally be done at first.

As long as the movie is primarily made by Reynolds and his team, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Hopefully the existing power of the series and the push by its staff to get it made means it won't have to suffer too much executive interference.

I just noticed a continuity error in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (it's easy to miss though). When our Wanda shows up at the house of Wanda-616, the latter is supposed to be barefoot the entire scene, but when Wanda blasts Wanda-616 from the staircase, she briefly has socks on.

Edit: Fixed

Edited by Brandon on Apr 28th 2024 at 5:05:04 AM

It's Wanda-838 not Wanda-383. Also, I think you're confusing the doppelgangers. Wanda-616 is one the barefoot, not Wanda-838.

The more I think about the eventual X-Men movie, the more I think that having Xavier and Magneto oppose each other while also setting up Emma Frost and Callisto as younger counterparts who also fiercely oppose the older two. Emma as the light messiah who seeks human acceptance and integration as her goal and sees Xavier as a corrupt, selfish autocrat who wants to play god, but herself is driven by her own desperate need to atone for her many sins as the White Queen and prove to everyone that she's not a bad person. Callisto as the dark messiah who believes that humans and mutants can never coexist and that any attempts to coexist with humans will lead to further persecution and extermination, and thinks that Magneto is too blinded by his own righteousness and just wants to lash out at the world, but is a paranoid, dogmatic accelerationist who is way too able to whitewash and rationalize her brutality and excessive ruthlessness.

As for the casting because why not:

• Xavier: Ewan McGregor
• Magneto: Jason Isaacs (the Holocaust happened too long ago, so making Max a Soviet Jew and the descendant of Holocaust survivors who himself had to flee due to persecution would suffice)
• Emma: Sydney Sweeney
• Callisto: Anya Taylor-Joy

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 28th 2024 at 6:50:36 AM

I feel like they're not gonna do an X-Men movie, or at least not a traditional one. I just don't see the X-Men slotting very naturally into the MCU in a "they've always been here" kind of way, and likewise I don't want one that takes place in another universe because that really takes the stakes away. I suspect the biggest X-Men stuff we're gonna get will be in Secret Wars.

Depends on how the resetting of the universe occurs.

A reset will likely make the school setting understandable for the X-Men. Heck I can see them putting the Avengers at the mansion to make it like the comics.

My take on Frost is more of a Byronic heroine than she typically is; a deeply flawed human being who has done some horrible things and is haunted by them, and wants to do anything she can to right her many wrongs, but struggles to overcome her own nature. Callisto is just someone who has seen some shit and has been getting kicked in the teeth basically since she was born, and is now stuck in a black-and-white "us against the world" narrative and is fiercely devoted to the rest of the Morlocks and will lay down her life for them, but is capable of incredible violence and is far too willing to resort to outright terrorism to protect them.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 28th 2024 at 11:15:47 AM

On the subject of X-Men I've been watching Days of Future Past clips, and Goddamn the Future Sentinels are still scary as shit. Probably one of the best killer robot antags ever made for being a completely unbeatable threat that gruesomely kills the heroes like a ravenous onslaught

Do you think they count as an adaptation of the Nimrod Sentinel? They are both hyper-evolved future versions of the killer robot and are noted to be completely unstoppable.

Which if so amusingly means Nimrod was also subjected to the black costumes rule in the Fox-films. As Nimrod goes from a hot pink and white robot to solid black.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2024 at 12:28:14 PM

Yeah, the future Sentinels are just as awesome as they are terrifying. And to think that they dominated the world in 2023 of all years...

Side note, I'd love to see the Avengers and their allies try to fight the Sentinels. Just to see who'd have the best odds against them.

Nimrod's menace is a bit diminished by his intelligence — he can converse with others and one can reason with him to a point.

The Future Sentinels? They don't speak. They don't do anything except kill their targets with extreme prejudice. Heck, even the classic comics Sentinels would speak before killing Mutants. But not these Sentinels — they're nothing but cold killing machines.

It also doesn't help that there's a whole bunch of them, while there was only one Nimrod. And yes, they're all as powerful as Nimrod, sharing the same Adaptive Ability he had.

Future Sentinels are among the most dangerous Mooks on film.

It's justified of course, since the whole point is that they were a threat dire enough that the remaining X-Men had to resort to time travel to undo the Future Sentinels' existence.

They're closer to The Fury than anything - effectively invincible because of their endless adaptability.

A bunch of invincible motherfuckers.

And the worst part is they are mass-produced. They avert the super prototype bit by being complete designs and made on the assembly line.

Even if you do somehow manage to kill one, there's more still waiting.

The way they copy powers makes me think of A.I.M.'s Adaptoids rather than X-Men Sentinels. Like. They're very specifically power-mimicking rather than developing new powers as a counter. They're like "Iceman? Cool. We have ice powers now. Pyro? Gives us fire powers." At one point one blocks a punch from Colossus and we watch it slowly download his metal skin.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 29th 2024 at 6:39:24 AM

I remember hearing a lot of people complaining about the Sentinels design in that film for being too skinny.