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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#110076: Sep 21st 2019 at 11:44:49 AM

[up] I can accept that argument. I am more inclined for forgive Harry for his shittiness, because he's a teenager and, well, haven't we all been shitty as teenagers? But Norman is an adult — and so his shittiness has a bigger impact that Harry's would.

He's a father more concerned with how Harry reflects him than with Harry's happiness and wellbeing.
Exactly.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 21st 2019 at 11:45:29 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#110077: Sep 21st 2019 at 11:45:29 AM

Meanwhile Peter is the son Norman wishes he had. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#110078: Sep 21st 2019 at 1:46:12 PM

To those whose first experience with Norman Osborne was his Nineties animated portrayal, it's almost startling to see how awful he is in pretty much every other continuity including the original comics.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#110079: Sep 21st 2019 at 1:53:48 PM

Seeing how a character is softened or villainized in an adaptation is always something to see.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#110080: Sep 21st 2019 at 2:09:35 PM

I got one character who got one hell of an adaptation change.

Okay so the character Star Saber (actually my current profile pic tongue) from the 90's Japanese only anime Transformers Victory was pretty much an Optimus Prime clone. Long suffering noble leader of the Autobots, self-sacrificing, virtous & somewhat humorless, pretty much Optimus lite.

When he finally appeared decades later in the IDW Transformers comics (his literal 1st apperance since Victory ended) he was then portrayed as a violently insane fascist & religious fundamentalist who belives its his right to murder whoever he belives is guilty in the name of his God Primus.

A complete 180 in character.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2019 at 2:12:00 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#110081: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:41:31 PM

Despite the Ultimate Universe's habit of making characters more assholish, Ultimate Norman is one of the few portrayals of the character who seems to genuinely love Harry despite otherwise being a Complete Monster.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#110082: Sep 21st 2019 at 5:35:40 PM

It’s a fun trait shared by pretty much all versions of Harry Osborn that he’s chronically incapable of making intelligent, or at least well thought out decisions.

He’s always a prideful twit who - either through impulsiveness, stubbornness or simple ignorance - makes his own life, and inevitably the lives of those around him significantly more difficult.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:37:26 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#110083: Sep 21st 2019 at 5:40:41 PM

No wonder he and Peter are best friends.

They're like birds of a feather.[lol]

One Strip! One Strip!
Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#110084: Sep 21st 2019 at 5:46:36 PM

[up][up]Besides the Amazing Spider-Man Harry, who got screwed over a bunch of times through no fault of his own then exploded into an ugly leprechaun.

It's been 3000 years…
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#110085: Sep 21st 2019 at 5:52:46 PM

TASM Harry had least a few decades to try out some cures, but he sure couldn't stop himself.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#110086: Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:16:20 PM

Speaking of Spider-Man, Best Buy Canada has a 4-pack Blu-Ray collection featuring the most recent Spider-Man movies coming in time for Christmas.

It'll probably find its way to America around the same time.

I know they're Sony's movies to do as they wish, but does anyone else think it's a little dishonest to have Venom in this set considering how it's not up to par with Homecoming, Into the Spider-Verse, and Far From Home, quality-wise?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:18:59 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#110087: Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:25:21 PM

[up]No. The criteria here is not quality.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#110088: Sep 22nd 2019 at 5:06:55 PM

Not at all, and regardless of its quality they have every single right to include Venom with the rest of them.

Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#110089: Sep 22nd 2019 at 6:54:31 PM

I just find it odd that they put together four movies from three entirely different continuities.

It's been 3000 years…
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#110090: Sep 22nd 2019 at 6:58:54 PM

Actually, the Venom movie's Stinger is an advertisement for Spider-Verse, justified with "in an alternate dimension", so Venom is canonically set in the same multiverse as Spider-Verse.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#110091: Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:14:02 PM

I REALLY want Peter B. to meet the Hardy!Venom now. The sheer "...what." would be hilarious.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#110092: Sep 22nd 2019 at 9:15:11 PM

I know they're Sony's movies to do as they wish, but does anyone else think it's a little dishonest to have Venom in this set considering how it's not up to par with Homecoming, Into the Spider-Verse, and Far From Home, quality-wise?

They don't care about quality, they care about popularity. And on that front, it makes sense; Venom not just outgrossed Spider-Man; it came in just under Spider-Man: Homecoming as well. And that was without being able to go "Look! Iron Man is in this one!" on the poster and trailers.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#110093: Sep 22nd 2019 at 9:17:24 PM

"Seeing how a character is softened or villainized in an adaptation is always something to see.

"

When you know the adaptation first is more a thing to see, like M84 compared harry to others version of him is.....hard, really hard.

and then there is remi normal who have a awfull father, a misplace vengance and of course, die the moment he become good.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#110094: Sep 22nd 2019 at 10:32:52 PM

Alright this is cool.

I Am Iron Man synced up with Giorno Giovanna's theme from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

"I am...inevitable

And I...have a dream"

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#110095: Sep 22nd 2019 at 10:55:29 PM

I still really like how much RDJ struggles with each gesture and word of that scene.

It was established in Guardians 1 that the Power Gem alone has so much energy channeled through it that simply to touch it would obliterate an ordinary person. Direct contact with the Gems is hazardous to one's health. This has remained a plot point ever since, especially in Infinity War and Endgame.

In that scene, Tony is struggling with every fiber of his being simply to live long enough to do this. Tony is not half-Celestial. Tony isn't even a human of exceptional physiology like Cap. He's just a dude. Weathering that kind of power for even five seconds is probably the hardest thing he's ever done in his life. And RDJ makes you feel it.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#110096: Sep 22nd 2019 at 10:58:02 PM

I do like that he gives Thanos that little smirk, though. Like, despite the obvious agony, he's still got enough in him to go "Ah ha, gotcha, motherfucker."

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#110097: Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:03:14 PM

And remember, that scene was shot after filming for Endgame had already been deemed complete for a while, and Downey almost didn't film it because he wasn't sure about putting himself back into the emotional setting for Tony's last moments again.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:05:10 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#110098: Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:05:16 PM

Thank God he did, because "Fuck off, Thanos" wouldn't have had nearly as much impact.

My various fanfics.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#110099: Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:06:16 PM

He is a man with a dream, of course he can do anything.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#110100: Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:30:01 PM

The gauntlet offers some protection compared to just raw-dogging it like Quill did, but look at how much the Hulk struggled when wearing it earlier.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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